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Ren'Py Summertime Saga [v21.0.0 wip.5597] [Kompas Productions]
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I can't imagine being one of the people who come to this website, every day, just to post vapid conspiracy theories about how everything is a scam. Some of you are going crazy because you literally look for updates, every single day. Check back once a month and you'll suffer from significantly less hysteria
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Except that all the artwork needed redone - either transformed to 16:9 or reposed for 16:9 display. That is one of the major aspects of the tech update, itself. To move from 4:3 to 16:9 for better mobile experience.
I agree with your point about the pre-tech updates - and have said so in the past. Also, DC eventually saw the futility of them, himself, and they stopped in October 2022.
It would be difficult to say that one person "wrote most of the code." It started with DC learning coding while creating the content and then there were several he hired in succession who wrote the code in the intervening years with their differing signature on how coding should be approached and written. Thereby, they all created a Frankenstein's monster of 26.2 MB of code through 1600 files. DC has been a part of this all, since it is his vision. He hasn't left. Strayerror, the current coder, has been on the team since mid-2019.
Coders (listed from the wiki)
- Strayerror (Since mid-2019)
- Dogeek (mid-2018 to late-2019)
- NhKPaNdA (mid-2017 to mid-2018)
- Amo (late-2017 to mid-2018)
- Hurfy (mid-2017 to late-2017)*
- Arizona Identities (2016 to mid-2017)*
- Kaosu (2016 to early-2017)*
- DarkCookie (in the beginning... there was darkness)*
Or... twice a year. Hell, people checking updates twice or three times a year, at most, is a great suggestion for any title on this site.
I, however, come for the popcorn moments.
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Sure, just slap all the old art on 16:9 and see how it looks. And if you're about to ask "Who needs the game in 16:9?" I'll tell you real quick: the patrons, who apparently mainly play on phones. So this you can blame on the moneybags actually paying for this.
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I wasnt referring to DC when talking about leaving but specifically Dogeek. They were already talking about the game needing a revamp in 2019. He was the primary source for the roadmap/visualization going forward. He was let go/left due to complicatiom and hostile work enviroment.
DC was never really responsible for coding but rather art, story and design, where as Dogeek was the lead coder during his employment
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Those damn developing world markets with ubiquitous mobile device access and growing broadband connectivity.
I blame Jack Kilby and Robert Noyce for the invention of the monolithic integrated circuit. Ever since, we could pack more punch in smaller devices. I also blame Hedy Lamarr for her patent in radio technologies that made Wi-Fi and 5G possible. No longer are we tied to the wall with RJ45's keeping us confined to our homes.
Damn them. Damn them all to hell.
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Until Strayerror it looked like "Defence Against the Dark Arts teacher position at Hogwarts" situation lol
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Just to clarify, Hedy Lamarr's invention
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and there's no clear-cut evidence her work was ever used in any capacity since the radio-guided torpedoes it was invented to assist were only theoretical at the time and were never formally introduced with the advent of electronic controls. Plus, her ideas on frequency hopping
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. Still an impressive achievement for an actress in her day and age, but forgotten pioneer she was not.Can't blame this dev, he is playing the system. And people are dumb enough to continue supporting him. I mean, I would do the same if I had a game that I released and people really enjoyed it, saw that it was making a shit ton of money from patreons, so then I would make sure to be really slow with updates, so that I will be set for life and retirement.
He is earning $62,870 per month . Think about that for a second. He is almost making 1 million every year. Why would I end that income by finishing that game if I was him. Why even start a new project? It could end up being a total failure. I'd be making my actual life a Summertime Saga and just fucking women and driving my Lambo.
Don't hate the player, hate the game. He is milking this for every last drop, and we're just sharks swimming around his yacht.
He is earning $62,870 per month . Think about that for a second. He is almost making 1 million every year. Why would I end that income by finishing that game if I was him. Why even start a new project? It could end up being a total failure. I'd be making my actual life a Summertime Saga and just fucking women and driving my Lambo.
Don't hate the player, hate the game. He is milking this for every last drop, and we're just sharks swimming around his yacht.
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How is this related to SS?
Better to post your question here: https://f95zone.to/forums/recommendations-identification.104/
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He has stated since the beginning that as long as people want to play the game, that they have ideas to add to the game, and that they enjoy doing what they are doing that they won't stop developing this. From about 6 years ago:
He's been very up front with this. Also, this is not unlike studios which revisit, revise, recode, reboot major titles.
(EDIT: Also, it's obvious from the interview that his ability to predict timelines and deadlines sucks. No one should have been surprised, especially DC, that his inability to do so would lead to a tech update taking much longer than he initially expected. The man can't predict worth shit.)
You say milking. Patreon subscriptions are for supporting creators in what they are doing, not for product access or product purchase - unless developers say as such. No one needs to pay anything play Summertime Saga. It's available for free to download directly from the developer. The only gameplaying benefit that subscribers get is that they get first access (up to 24 hours before the public) and downloading directly subscriber-only servers. If people only want to play Summertime Saga when there are updates (which were every several months before the tech update but which may not be for another 8 months or a year or more) they can do so without letting loose a dime. If subscribers want to stop their membership, no one is stopping them and nothing is stopping them from accessing the game. How is he milking?
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You'd probably have to explain the concept of "patron of the arts' first.He has stated since the beginning that as long as people want to play the game, that they have ideas to add to the game, and that they enjoy doing what they are doing that they won't stop developing this. From about 6 years ago:
He's been very up front with this. Also, this is not unlike studios which revisit, revise, recode, reboot major titles.
(EDIT: Also, it's obvious from the interview that his ability to predict timelines and deadlines sucks. No one should have been surprised, especially DC, that his inability to do so would lead to a tech update taking much longer than he initially expected. The man can't predict worth shit.)
You say milking. Patreon subscriptions are for supporting creators in what they are doing, not for product access or product purchase - unless developers say as such. No one needs to pay anything play Summertime Saga. It's available for free to download directly from the developer. The only gameplaying benefit that subscribers get is that they get first access (up to 24 hours before the public) and downloading directly subscriber-only servers. If people only want to play Summertime Saga when there are updates (which were every several months before the tech update but which may not be for another 8 months or a year or more) they can do so without letting loose a dime. If subscribers want to stop their membership, no one is stopping them and nothing is stopping them from accessing the game. How is he milking?
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A few points, if only to illustrate the insane range of earnings out in the world:
1. $62,870 * 12 = $754,440. That's considerably less than $1 million.
2. He's gotta pay for a full-time coder and several contractors out of that monthly amount, as well as whatever overhead the website represents. Let's be generous and say when all is said and done he's keeping ~$50k a month gross, or about $600k a year. That's pre-tax, too, so maybe $400k take-home a year once that's handled.
3. What kind of Tommy Tallarico fantasy world do you live in where $600k a year is nothing but Lambos and women? That's a lot of money to an average pleb, but in the world of high-paid professional salaries it's somewhere in the "pretty good" mark. I work with an attorney who comfortably clears in excess of $50k every month for ~100 hours of billables, all WFH.
Plus, it's pretty well documented that most of his free time is spent juggling his wife, three kids, and the various illnesses they keep giving him. Hardly a glamorous lifestyle.
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Ah, the world where $600k a year is poverty wagesA few points, if only to illustrate the insane range of earnings out in the world:
1. $62,870 * 12 = $754,440. That's considerably less than $1 million.
2. He's gotta pay for a full-time coder and several contractors out of that monthly amount, as well as whatever overhead the website represents. Let's be generous and say when all is said and done he's keeping ~$50k a month gross, or about $600k a year. That's pre-tax, too, so maybe $400k take-home a year once that's handled.
3. What kind of Tommy Tallarico fantasy world do you live in where $600k a year is nothing but Lambos and women? That's a lot of money to an average pleb, but in the world of high-paid professional salaries it's somewhere in the "pretty good" mark. I work with an attorney who comfortably clears in excess of $50k every month for ~100 hours of billables, all WFH.
Plus, it's pretty well documented that most of his free time is spent juggling his wife, three kids, and the various illnesses they keep giving him. Hardly a glamorous lifestyle.
He's been coding the project for the last 4 years? And it's still taking him 2 years to sort the code out? Fucking hell, that's worse than I thought.
Christ, the laziness and the incompetence shown by this project is unbelievable.
DC hired one coder, and part time, when clearly the Tech update would need more. They also have never heard of branches. It's criminal the level of idiocy that has gone into the last major update and yet people are still here white-knighting them.
And yes, maybe it's bad form to criticise another developer. But I think it's right to call out shitty behaviour. At no point has DC ever suspended payments. He never updated his target (which isn't even visible on his Patreon page now). Oh, and if you want updates on how they are failing to actually advance? You need to give them a dollar a month. Unbelievable.
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Also, it's a bit unprofessional for one developer to shittalk another developer in public, especially when they are aware the target of their shittalking never comes in the thread. It looks more like petty jealousy than professional critique - particularly with the word usage.Ah, the world where $600k a year is poverty wages
He's been coding the project for the last 4 years? And it's still taking him 2 years to sort the code out? Fucking hell, that's worse than I thought.
Christ, the laziness and the incompetence shown by this project is unbelievable.
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the coder is full time i asked dc this myself one time on streamAh, the world where $600k a year is poverty wages
He's been coding the project for the last 4 years? And it's still taking him 2 years to sort the code out? Fucking hell, that's worse than I thought.
Christ, the laziness and the incompetence shown by this project is unbelievable.
DC hired one coder, and part time, when clearly the Tech update would need more. They also have never heard of branches. It's criminal the level of idiocy that has gone into the last major update and yet people are still here white-knighting them.
And yes, maybe it's bad form to criticise another developer. But I think it's right to call out shitty behaviour. At no point has DC ever suspended payments. He never updated his target (which isn't even visible on his Patreon page now). Oh, and if you want updates on how they are failing to actually advance? You need to give them a dollar a month. Unbelievable.