Ren'Py Summertime Saga [v21.0.0 wip.5605] [Kompas Productions]

[srksrk 68]

I personally have two opinions about the Diane update. On the one hand side, I liked the old story, and I do not find the new one is a great improvement. I mean, destroy the house to build a barn, that's plain stupid, honestly. On the other hand, updating older artwork is most welcome. Unfortunately, there is only one new scene, which is a replacement for an older scene, so nothing new.

Now we have the same for Jenny update, where I also kind of liked the story before. I think there is only little danger that we destroy MCs home to build a "Webcam Factory", so let's see how the new story goes. And there is certainly a lot of scenes to be improved. So I bet it will be worth the wait.

I am definitely looking forward to the Eve, and Main Story updates, where I expect something at least as epic as the Roxxy update.

 

[Deleted member 426398]

As someone who has dabbled in digital art, specifically 2D vector, your skills and techniques inevitably evolve, change, and get better and there's always the temptation to go back and change your earlier works to match your current standards. In the case of people who just do 2D/3D art, you're probably not going to do that because of how much time it will take and because you'd rather focus on new works, but in the case of a 2D game like this you're going to want your artwork to look consistent throughout and therefore if you start to improve artworks in later updates then you need to change the earlier works to match the new ones.

At the end of the day, as a dev, DC wants their game to be the best it possibly can be and if this means improving the quality of the artwork, both new and old, then that is what has to happen and it's no use bitching about it just because you hate waiting and have no idea about the creative process.

Yeah that art degree sitting on my mantle for 20 years means I just have zero clue about how teams put projects out that look cohesive time and time again. Stick to your dabbling. It's cute.

I'm gonna paraphrase an author friend of mine. Your art is never done - it is simply sent to publish and then you have to live with the mistakes. Watching DC or anyone slow down their own progress and moving further from their goal line is sad. You can never be done forever. In this case he is doing it at the expense of those who have put faith in him. That's why I stopped giving money. You want to keep feeding the no reason to finish beast that's on you. Don't be surprised if it's 5 years later and the project still isn't done.

 

[Bruce_Wayne18]

Don't fret people! DC said in one of his recent streams Jenny's update will be as big as Roxxy's! He knows Jenny is one of the most popular characters.

And it's going to have a lot of new stuff in so let's give him the benefit of the doubt, shall we?

 

[Holy Bacchus]

Yeah that art degree sitting on my mantle for 20 years means I just have zero clue about how teams put projects out that look cohesive time and time again. Stick to your dabbling. It's cute.

I'm gonna paraphrase an author friend of mine. Your art is never done - it is simply sent to publish and then you have to live with the mistakes. Watching DC or anyone slow down their own progress and moving further from their goal line is sad. You can never be done forever. In this case he is doing it at the expense of those who have put faith in him. That's why I stopped giving money. You want to keep feeding the no reason to finish beast that's on you. Don't be surprised if it's 5 years later and the project still isn't done.

Was that a digital arts degree like mine that taught Photoshop and Illustrator or was MS Paint still all the rage 20 years ago? But I'm sure you're using that 20 year old degree to create digital works these days and not just sitting in a shed with your watercolours and easel, right?

No offense to you and your friend, but digital art is different from writing a book, or painting a masterpiece, or taking photographs, or creating a sculpture. These things are indeed fixed and unchangeable once they've been done, but digital art can be easily altered since all you have to do is re-open it in a software package. A game designer such as DC doesn't have to stick with the designs and art style they had when they started because the great benefit of digital art is that it can be improved as the artists skills improve. It's not uncommon these days for digital artists to go back and "remaster" their older works for this very reason.

The idea that an artist should never change their works is outdated when living in a digital age.

 

[CptRexx]

Don't fret people! DC said in one of his recent streams Jenny's update will be as big as Roxxy's! He knows Jenny is one of the most popular characters.

And it's going to have a lot of new stuff in so let's give him the benefit of the doubt, shall we?

He said it will be close to Roxxy's update. He said Roxxy's update is the biggest update they have done so far.

 

[FlipFish]

I'm looking forward to the Jenny update, but a part of me isn't as excited as I would have been prior to the incest removal. Before she was your irredeemably bitchy older sister and it kind of had this weird charm to it, now she's your bitchy "roommate" and it just doesn't feel the same.

 

[CptRexx]

I'm looking forward to the Jenny update, but a part of me isn't as excited as I would have been prior to the incest removal. Before she was your irredeemably bitchy older sister and it kind of had this weird charm to it, now she's your bitchy "roommate" and it just doesn't feel the same.

DC said once they finished the game, they will bring back to incest dialog and everything. For those who are into incest has to wait.

 

[Holy Bacchus]

I personally have two opinions about the Diane update. On the one hand side, I liked the old story, and I do not find the new one is a great improvement. I mean, destroy the house to build a barn, that's plain stupid, honestly. On the other hand, updating older artwork is most welcome. Unfortunately, there is only one new scene, which is a replacement for an older scene, so nothing new.

Now we have the same for Jenny update, where I also kind of liked the story before. I think there is only little danger that we destroy MCs home to build a "Webcam Factory", so let's see how the new story goes. And there is certainly a lot of scenes to be improved. So I bet it will be worth the wait.

I am definitely looking forward to the Eve, and Main Story updates, where I expect something at least as epic as the Roxxy update.

Same here. Up until the Diane update the game felt reasonably grounded, even with Aqua and weird "sex cult" thing at the school. But I think DC might have just taken the whole Diane milk business a little too far by having her destory her own home to replace it with a barn where she plans to milk more women.

I feel like there could've been a better story here by introducing Daisy earlier because, since she's a magical cow-girl, she's more well-suited to producing milk as she not only needs to be milked regularly but she also enjoys it. They could have had the story go that when Diane is exhausted from trying to fulfill her massive order for the school, the MC finds the first piece of the Daisy statue when doing the gardening which would lead him to finding all the other pieces and bringing Daisy back to life. Eventually, once she's settled in, Daisy would become the source of milk for Diane's company taking all the burden off Diane who would not destroy her house but simply get that "milking chair" for the shed. Then, after a moment of sexual celebration in Diane's bedroom, she gets impregnated by the MC.

Even with the magical cow-girl, I still feel like this story would make more sense than what we have right now.

 

[Holy Bacchus]

DC said once they finished the game, they will bring back to incest dialog and everything. For those who are into incest has to wait.

And then Dogeek said that even that might not happen, so...

 

[CptRexx]

And then Dogeek said that even that might not happen, so...

He says that cause he doesn't want to recode dialog. Nonetheless, DC orders and they do.

 

[Arap12]

I'm looking forward to the Jenny update, but a part of me isn't as excited as I would have been prior to the incest removal. Before she was your irredeemably bitchy older sister and it kind of had this weird charm to it, now she's your bitchy "roommate" and it just doesn't feel the same.

Indeed, i was looking forward to her update, but since the Patreon shitstorm the original 0.16 (which should have been her update) got to Roxxy and the Aunt update removed more than improve it, i'm hesitant into trying her update, especially if it's going to be written as if she wasn't MC's sister her scenes are not going to be the same.
Especially if she's (from what i've understood) going to have some of her scenes removed, and i would rather have her scenes improved on (like the mom's 0.14.5 update) and add new scenes just like the mom, maybe a missionary on bed\ tittyfuck or bj\hj\69 or improve her request scenes to add progression to add more than groping her boobs for 500 $, when she lets us pound her for free in the shower\bed\couch\camshow.

But it's her love confession the thing i looked forward the most.

 

[E-Dog]

Indeed, i was looking forward to her update, but since the Patreon shitstorm the original 0.16 (which should have been her update) got to Roxxy and the Aunt update removed more than improve it, i'm hesitant into trying her update, especially if it's going to be written as if she wasn't MC's sister her scenes are not going to be the same.
Especially if she's (from what i've understood) going to have some of her scenes removed, and i would rather have her scenes improved on (like the mom's 0.14.5 update) and add new scenes just like the mom, maybe a missionary on bed\ tittyfuck or bj\hj\69 or improve her request scenes to add progression to add more than groping her boobs for 500 $, when she lets us pound her for free in the shower\bed\couch\camshow.

But it's her love confession the thing i looked forward the most.

Im looking forward to how she's gonna want to kill the mc when she finds out shes pregnant! Cant wait to see that screen shake along with her mad as hell facial expression!

 

[RottenBlock]

Same here. Up until the Diane update the game felt reasonably grounded, even with Aqua and weird "sex cult" thing at the school. But I think DC might have just taken the whole Diane milk business a little too far by having her destory her own home to replace it with a barn where she plans to milk more women.

I feel like there could've been a better story here by introducing Daisy earlier because, since she's a magical cow-girl, she's more well-suited to producing milk as she not only needs to be milked regularly but she also enjoys it. They could have had the story go that when Diane is exhausted from trying to fulfill her massive order for the school, the MC finds the first piece of the Daisy statue when doing the gardening which would lead him to finding all the other pieces and bringing Daisy back to life. Eventually, once she's settled in, Daisy would become the source of milk for Diane's company taking all the burden off Diane who would not destroy her house but simply get that "milking chair" for the shed. Then, after a moment of sexual celebration in Diane's bedroom, she gets impregnated by the MC.

Even with the magical cow-girl, I still feel like this story would make more sense than what we have right now.

I think the game's been getting less and less grounded since the Mia update, myself. When the typical "girl next door" storyline took a jetpack into parental kidnapping (tonally jarring, but sadly not unrealistic) and then full-on nun-sploitation out of the 70s. I think that should have been our warning that SS is less of a "realistic game where everyone's extra-horny for the sake of convenience," though it might flirt with that for certain characters, and more of a "trip to PornLand, the theme park where everyone is a walking fetish and the points don't matter."

Personally I don't have anything wrong with that (though I still find the Mia storyline to be super jarring), but I can understand why others might. Personally, I like it when the stories are neatly divided between "realistic" (say, Roxy) and "bizarre" (Daisy), and I'm less fond of stuff like Mia and Debbie where the realism level shifts mid-storyline. Weirdly, I have no problems walking from Roxy and straight to Daisy! I guess my brain can just shift gears no problem?

 

[DrFog]

I think the game's been getting less and less grounded since the Mia update, myself. When the typical "girl next door" storyline took a jetpack into parental kidnapping (tonally jarring, but sadly not unrealistic) and then full-on nun-sploitation out of the 70s. I think that should have been our warning that SS is less of a "realistic game where everyone's extra-horny for the sake of convenience," though it might flirt with that for certain characters, and more of a "trip to PornLand, the theme park where everyone is a walking fetish and the points don't matter."

Personally I don't have anything wrong with that (though I still find the Mia storyline to be super jarring), but I can understand why others might. Personally, I like it when the stories are neatly divided between "realistic" (say, Roxy) and "bizarre" (Daisy), and I'm less fond of stuff like Mia and Debbie where the realism level shifts mid-storyline. Weirdly, I have no problems walking from Roxy and straight to Daisy! I guess my brain can just shift gears no problem?

Yeah, I can agree with this. The monster girls, Diane, Mia (to some extent), Mrs. Okita as well as some other story lines are pretty far-fetched, but I feel like the game benefits more from it than it would without some sense of fantastical plot. Having Diane's milking story and Aqua's tentacle lair are nice reprieves from otherwise somewhat vanilla story lines like Debbie's, and Roxxy's.

 

[Xenephon]

Playing the Bissette path, and the Quick Mafs book is not showing up in Dexter's locker after I speak to him. Is there a workaround for this?

 

[CassidyPRO]

DC said once they finished the game, they will bring back to incest dialog and everything. For those who are into incest has to wait.

lol and Do you believe in that?

The sctructure of the dialogue is COMPLETLY different for it. Things that could work for the non incest thing but would make it easier for them to "fix" the game adding back the incest later are NOT being implemented lol.

DC wont bother with it. dont fool yourselfs. XD

 

[CassidyPRO]

Indeed, i was looking forward to her update, but since the Patreon shitstorm the original 0.16 (which should have been her update) got to Roxxy and the Aunt update removed more than improve it, i'm hesitant into trying her update, especially if it's going to be written as if she wasn't MC's sister her scenes are not going to be the same.
Especially if she's (from what i've understood) going to have some of her scenes removed, and i would rather have her scenes improved on (like the mom's 0.14.5 update) and add new scenes just like the mom, maybe a missionary on bed\ tittyfuck or bj\hj\69 or improve her request scenes to add progression to add more than groping her boobs for 500 $, when she lets us pound her for free in the shower\bed\couch\camshow.

But it's her love confession the thing i looked forward the most.

I agree... I kinda lost interest because of all those things.

 

[obiwan]

lol and Do you believe in that?

The sctructure of the dialogue is COMPLETLY different for it. Things that could work for the non incest thing but would make it easier for them to "fix" the game adding back the incest later are NOT being implemented lol.

DC wont bother with it. dont fool yourselfs. XD

What he said. Pretty sure DC won't put back thr incest in the game. Our only hope are fan patches for that

 

[DrFog]

lol and Do you believe in that?

The sctructure of the dialogue is COMPLETLY different for it. Things that could work for the non incest thing but would make it easier for them to "fix" the game adding back the incest later are NOT being implemented lol.

DC wont bother with it. dont fool yourselfs. XD

What he said. Pretty sure DC won't put back thr incest in the game. Our only hope are fan patches for that

Idk, it really wouldn't take that much effort to change it. Just certain dialog would need to be fixed, most if not all of the artwork is fine the way it is. Seeing as how DC has already promised this and a good portion of his patron base is expecting it, I doubt he'll forget about it, especially if he decides to make another game after SS. In fact, if there was a good enough incest patch out for it by the time of completion, they could just integrate that and be done with it. Idk, maybe you guys are right and he'll just drop the ball on us like that, but I really doubt it.

 

[CassidyPRO]

Idk, it really wouldn't take that much effort to change it. Just certain dialog would need to be fixed, most if not all of the artwork is fine the way it is. Seeing as how DC has already promised this and a good portion of his patron base is expecting it, I doubt he'll forget about it, especially if he decides to make another game after SS. In fact, if there was a good enough incest patch out for it by the time of completion, they could just integrate that and be done with it. Idk, maybe you guys are right and he'll just drop the ball on us like that, but I really doubt it.

Its about management and dev processes.. If you intend to do something like that, there is NO REASON to do the new content in a way that will make it much more difficult to restore the old stuff.

Dc is experienced in that field.. If he is not doing it, its because he wont restore it.