Ren'Py Summertime Saga [v21.0.0 wip.5605] [Kompas Productions]

[srksrk 68]

I find the whole debate somewhat funny in reality because, he is earning $48,000 per month = $576,000 per year, now he could easily employ a good poser for $50,000 per year, a good coder for $50,000 per year, a good artist for $50,000 per year, a good script/story editor for $50,000 per year and a good general fault finder/proof reader for $50,000 per year, leaving him earnings of $250,000 per year, which works out as $4807 per week or $19,228 per month take home pay, and he could spend time with his wife and kids while doing his incest/non incest game much much faster with a team behind him.

With the type of money he is earning per year now, there is no excuse for not employing a team and sharing the mucho $$$s he is earning with them while making this ever expanding game and releasing much faster updates also.

Time management people, pretty simple when done right lol.

You know, nobody has the right to *force* him to do it like he (the nobody) wants it done. It's *his* game and he wants it done *his* way, without additional people messing things up. Only because thousands of people find the game good enough to send him money does change nothing. The game is for free. Don't donate if you feel differently. Oh, wait...

So you say if I and thousands other people give you 50.000 bucks a month, unasked, we have the right to tell you how to do things?

I know what he promised in his patreon goals (hire more staff). but fact is, he has no influence on the amount of money his fans give him, so he cannot be forced. Especially when he tried and it did not work out.

 

[j4yj4m]

I find the whole debate somewhat funny in reality because, he is earning $48,000 per month = $576,000 per year, now he could easily employ a good poser for $50,000 per year, a good coder for $50,000 per year, a good artist for $50,000 per year, a good script/story editor for $50,000 per year and a good general fault finder/proof reader for $50,000 per year, leaving him earnings of $250,000 per year, which works out as $4807 per week or $19,228 per month take home pay, and he could spend time with his wife and kids while doing his incest/non incest game much much faster with a team behind him.

He does permanently employ 4 people after all (plus he provides freelance work to others like Sam9 and AEHentai for animations, homepage stuff etc.) and employing more doesn't make sense as long as there's no artist around, who is willing to work for him and who can provide what DC wants. Else you'll still have consider things like patreon charges, taxes etc.

But the fact that you didn't even bother to look up his team makes your post kind of not really useful, sorry.

 

[srksrk 68]

From his patreon page:

Current team members:
DarkCookie - Art, Story & Design
Dogeek - Lead Code
Catbug - TA & Posing
CaptainSploosh - Dialogue & Writing
AoiichiNiiSan - Music & SFX
Sam9 - Server side & Website
CreamyCookie - HR & Cookie Baker

Does not look exactly like he does not hire anybody to me...

 

[secretsonny]

I find the whole debate somewhat funny in reality because, he is earning $48,000 per month = $576,000 per year, now he could easily employ a good poser for $50,000 per year, a good coder for $50,000 per year, a good artist for $50,000 per year, a good script/story editor for $50,000 per year and a good general fault finder/proof reader for $50,000 per year, leaving him earnings of $250,000 per year, which works out as $4807 per week or $19,228 per month take home pay, and he could spend time with his wife and kids while doing his incest/non incest game much much faster with a team behind him.

With the type of money he is earning per year now, there is no excuse for not employing a team and sharing the mucho $$$s he is earning with them while making this ever expanding game and releasing much faster updates also.

Time management people, pretty simple when done right lol.

I get what you're saying with the money bit but no one here has ever named an artist for him to hire. Because literally no one has evidence that he hasn't gone out of his way to look, I'll have to take DC's word that he has. He's said countless times what he expects.

Someone who can get work done fast and someone who can copy his style without training.

And all that isn't even including whether the ideal artist is even interested.

Also he has posers/coders/writers on payroll. No one mentions them because they don't bother learning their names.

DarkCookie - Art, Story & Design
Dogeek - Lead Code
Catbug - TA & Posing
CaptainSploosh - Dialogue & Writing
AoiichiNiiSan - Music & SFX

but fuck it he makes a lot of money

 

[PatreonTed]

BUT MY 3D INCEST GARBO GAME THATS BASICALLY JUST STACKED STILL IMAGES OF PREMADE MODELS WITH SIMPLISTIC STORY COMES OUT EVERY WEEK AND HE GETS A LOT OF MONEY SO ISSA SCAM

Yeah, DC is hella slow, but comparing to his speed to someone using Daz3d models is pretty dumb.

 

[Ungawa]

Yeah, DC is hella slow, but comparing to his speed to someone using Daz3d models is pretty dumb.

Honey Select modeling is much faster.

Get it right, NERD!!!

 

[Marakanum]

You have to consider the patreon fees, taxes and social security contribution. In Germany less than the half would go to DC and his employees net.

 

[CassidyPRO]

With his budget he should be able to hire someone to work with him. Here, this took me like... 15 minutes, tops.


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It's not even close to perfect but it at least doesn't have her tits growing out of her sternum. His art has some serious flaws and is unacceptable quality for the amount of money that's put into it.

have to admit.. Yours is WAY better

 

[TotalDegenerate]

With his budget he should be able to hire someone to work with him. Here, this took me like... 15 minutes, tops.


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It's not even close to perfect but it at least doesn't have her tits growing out of her sternum. His art has some serious flaws and is unacceptable quality for the amount of money that's put into it.

Lol i didnt notice how ridiculous the tits look like till that comparison.

 

[preglovr12]

Lol i didnt notice how ridiculous the tits look like till that comparison.

Yeah, she looks like she's pregnant with them, but they're just slightly too high for that.

 

[brittC25]

He does permanently employ 4 people after all (plus he provides freelance work to others like Sam9 and AEHentai for animations, homepage stuff etc.) and employing more doesn't make sense as long as there's no artist around, who is willing to work for him and who can provide what DC wants. Else you'll still have consider things like patreon charges, taxes etc.

But the fact that you didn't even bother to look up his team makes your post kind of not really useful, sorry.

I didnt need to bother looking up his present team as I already knew there was a set team in place, so meh to You lol, but since many many people are not happy with, well the Artwork alone, I would expect him to be shaking the tree a lot in reality.

There are many great 2D/3D artists out there, if You shake the tree hard enough, and look hard enough, they can be found and employed in reality.

 

[brittC25]

You have to consider the patreon fees, taxes and social security contribution. In Germany less than the half would go to DC and his employees net.

Patreon fees: the service sent an email to creators outlining changes to the fee structure of pledges.
Rather than extracting a processing fee from the creator side, Patreon is going to start charging supporters extra.
The new service fee is 2.9 percent plus 35 cents per pledge.

In the USA for example, the average tax rate for taxpayers who earn over $1,000,000 is 33.1 percent, so either way, on $576,000 per year, minus tax, he is still earning massive earning per year, on a game that in reality, could literally take years to complete.

 

[secretsonny]

I didnt need to bother looking up his present team as I already knew there was a set team in place, so meh to You lol, but since many many people are not happy with, well the Artwork alone, I would expect him to be shaking the tree a lot in reality.

There are many great 2D/3D artists out there, if You shake the tree hard enough, and look hard enough, they can be found and employed in reality.

Name and suggest said artists to DC via email. He claims to be looking and encourages fans to also do some searching.

 

[srksrk 68]

Does anybody know what drawing software DC is using? Just out of curiosity...

 

[secretsonny]

Does anybody know what drawing software DC is using? Just out of curiosity...

The latest or the prior version of photoshop.

 

[Gutsandguts]

I don’t get it people who are not patrons constantly complain about how slow he is and other developers release updates faster, yet none of 2d games release smaller update per month than he does in a year and the ones release larger update takes nearly as long as DC. It’s almost like games that use 2d art rather then CG take longer to update.

Kingdom of Deception updates far more frequently than this, only gets just over 5K a month and has huge amounts of dialogue each update, across multiple different plot lines all woven together.
SS has what, like 2 different points of divergence? With Mia and her Mom and another one I may have forgot and updates with nowhere near as much dialogue.

2D games are more difficult but you can also still copy and paste resources and edit them, it's not like every scene has to be drawn from scratch.

You know, nobody has the right to *force* him to do it like he (the nobody) wants it done. It's *his* game and he wants it done *his* way, without additional people messing things up. Only because thousands of people find the game good enough to send him money does change nothing. The game is for free. Don't donate if you feel differently. Oh, wait...

Yeah and nobody has any right to force us to say his management is brilliant? Just because it's free for us doesn't mean we're not allowed to want better, not when he earns so much money for making it, more than most people can hope to make in actual full time jobs.

I've volunteered as an admin, for free, for over two years now and even though I'm only at work two days a week I'm one of the most efficient people in the building despite no prior experience, because I choose to work hard and work well in order to help out the charity I work at.

Why shouldn't we expect better of someone who would earn as calculated above something in the realms of 250k a year? "Free" and "donations" doesn't change the fact that this is essentially a job and could be managed much better.


Nobody is asking for 400 updates a year or for the game to be finished in 2 weeks but it absolutely does move at a snails pace and could definitely go faster with more people involved who know what they're doing.
It really wouldn't be hard to advertise for some devs, give them a trial run and then pay them a salary. I bet there's thousands of aspiring students who could get a crap load done in their free time and would accept even 10K a year.

 

[Porn_Jesus]

Threads name should be changed in "Let's talk about DCs monthly income" or maybe perhaps someone who's in power has a good day and gets out a warning to stop it? Do i really have to unwatch this thread just to avoid all this boring and useless crying about money? Move your butts to DCs discord server, say it into his face or just stfu and let other people in peace ffs.

Do you all believe he will drop down here some day, read all of this, sadness will invade his soul and he will give all the money back or beg for mercy? What is the goddamn point to discuss his patreon income here?

 

[Ungawa]

Nobody is asking for 400 updates a year or for the game to be finished in 2 weeks but it absolutely does move at a snails pace and could definitely go faster with more people involved who know what they're doing.
It really wouldn't be hard to advertise for some devs, give them a trial run and then pay them a salary. I bet there's thousands of aspiring students who could get a crap load done in their free time and would accept even 10K a year.

*rubs eyes together*

What people are asking for is that the updates are far more frequent on a game that has a far larger bottleneck than predetermined assets. The production process may have an issue. I think Dogeek and others have talked about it. But for me and a few other people, this is the key problem:

What are WE going to do about it? This is why I point out constantly that this is mere Mental Masturbation. People Blue Ball themselves about money, production, and everything else which we have NO control over. Zero.

The only thing we have control over in F95 is whether we think the game is good or not. Can we tell if the game got abandoned? Probably after the mods and some fans point it out. And that's why I choose to focus on this and other games. Because all that MM just ain't worth it over playing other games and seeing what they are doing in the mean time as you pointed out earlier in your post. But putting this game with others is just disingenuous.

Each process, each team, and each game within the adult industry has hurdles to overcome and all of it takes *time* to create and put out. Why everyone wants to wank over that is beyond me...

 

[Hero1]

SS has what, like 2 different points of divergence? With Mia and her Mom and another one I may have forgot and updates with nowhere near as much dialogue.

He planned to have more divergent paths but people complained they couldn't own fuck every single female in this game in one go so DC changed his mind. I don't know if I remember correctly but there was a rumour that even the existing branches could be removed.

2D games are more difficult but you can also still copy and paste resources and edit them, it's not like every scene has to be drawn from scratch.

That's one of the reasons for the rework of the existing characters. He has to move them onto the new rig system, because when he started he drew the full poses and scenes so copy&paste didn't work for everything.

 

[Alkemya-san]

A masterpiece.
God level at many viewpoints.
Questionable ? I don't think so.
A revolution in adult games.