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TK8000

Active Member
Game Developer
Jul 9, 2017
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Are you for real? Why are you claiming that the developers are wasting time when they are not the ones voting? How about you go and complain to the thousands of people that vote and do it somewhere else. Also stop lying.
I have a Patreon too and I assert with absolute certainty that problems caused by polls results is entirely Dev's fault, not the patrons.

The most important detail: those who create the options to be voted on are the dev, not the patrons. This already implies that not all options will be available and then, the most voted option does not necessarily indicate what the patrons really want.

I discovered this from experience. When I made polls I always put one last option: "do what you want". This option always won with more votes than all the others combined, which made me understand clearly: Patrons first of all want you to make the game the best possible way. And they find that more important than you adding something they particularly like.

If the developer decides to take the polls as the main determinant of what he should work, the result will most likely be disastrous, especially if he does not produce the polls in a clever way (mixing technical stuff like support for old saves with the development of storylines in the same poll it's not recommended).
 

Kruncha

Newbie
May 7, 2017
75
35
So I'm not finding the last jenny hscene, also is she just stuck forever pist if you get her pregnant?
When she eventually gets a baby (at least for me) she no longer gets pissed, also not so sure, but Dianne and Jenny got pregnant one after another, after Dianne baby was born, Jenny no longer had a baby and things returned to normal (Not sure if that is a time thing or baby overlapping thing)
 

TK8000

Active Member
Game Developer
Jul 9, 2017
771
3,316
Can any of DC's crusaders help me understand hat the point of the babies is? They seem to pump them out like tennis balls and then just weirdly dissapear. Does this dude have a black market organ farm or some shit?
Lol.

I just played Diane's version of the game, I do not know if in this new version something was changed, but in my humble opinion the pregnancy system is a useless gimmick and will never work because the game is a sandbox where time does not pass (you're always in the summer) .

Certainly the developers tried to put this because it was "requisition" of the patrons or something. In theory it looks like something fun, but in practice the system is so out of context that it ends up devaluing the game, since it breaks the suspension of disbelief of the player.
 

mattius77

Well-Known Member
May 16, 2017
1,726
1,405
Jenny saves (from DC's Discord)
Hmm, when I load any of these saves I get the error that my "save is from an older (but not less dank) version of the game. Best to start a new game than rage quit over bugs" or however it's worded. What gives there?
 

Kruncha

Newbie
May 7, 2017
75
35
Certainly the developers tried to put this because it was "requisition" of the patrons or something. On paper it looks like something fun, but in practice the system is so out of context that it ends up devaluing the game, since it breaks the suspension of disbelief of the player.
Probably, yeah, since pregnancy is a fetish for some, and probably patrons voted for it.
 

PatreonTed

Active Member
Jun 3, 2017
906
1,282
I thought he said that art for 18.5 is almost done but in status it's stated 3/9... Oh, yeah I forgot that 'almost done' in DC's lexicon means 'far away from being ready'.:(
The art tasks aren't just drawing the art, other stuff is in there too.
 

Marzapane

Member
May 17, 2018
203
318
So I'm not finding the last jenny hscene, also is she just stuck forever pist if you get her pregnant?
That's the shower scene, you are not loosing much btw, it's just a rework of the old scene.

Anyways, if u want to get it, just go back to a save where Jenny isn't pregnant and avoid cumming inside her until u see her inside the shower. When it happens enter the bathroom and get the scene you miss.

If you don't have such a save and have Jenny pregnant just wait until she gives birth, than wait some more days ( I'd say 20) and enter the bathroom when you see she is in it, than fuck her. That's another way to get the last scene.
 

mattius77

Well-Known Member
May 16, 2017
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1,405
I do have to mention that if the Patrons are unhappy they could just stop donating. Everyone has a right to bitch or not play though if they do not like something.
This is the bit that truly boggles my mind. Taking them at face value that they are Patrons as they claim, the Patrons in here that are moaning are just........ I mean, if you keep dropping money on something you're this upset about, that's a you problem. Not a DC problem.
 

Marzapane

Member
May 17, 2018
203
318
is there a threesome scene with mom and sis?
No, and I doubt it will ever exist :/ (I once read DC was not willing to draw it)

Which is somewhat good, cause it wouldn't fit much. If the relationship with Jenny becomes more romantic in 18.5 there's some little hope imo, and maybe we will be able to see it in a year from now, most probably not...

If u want some mom sis threesome content check out dreams of desire by lewdlab
 

mattius77

Well-Known Member
May 16, 2017
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1,405
Since release, DC has gained 200 patrons and gone from a low of $48k back to $52k. I know it fluctuates - but that seems like a sign of approval from the overall fanbase...
That's just the normal pattern on Patreon for the start of the month. Creators normally lose a few Patrons through the last week of a month so they don't actually get charged the recurring fee, then they typically sign back up a day or two into the new month.
 

Jonboy80

Active Member
Dec 8, 2017
784
797
So if a chef serves you shit then you'll eat it just cause a chef served it to you?
If it was shit, then yes. But, so far, I've been served what I was told to expect. I didn't hype up the meal and expect more from it than advertised.
 

Mamut22

New Member
Apr 5, 2018
14
13
Hi guys I some how got stuck between french story, roxxy and sister. I have the quest tu get roxxy to take test but when i ask my sister he seys that he will come back when he has money but i play the fast game where i have money enough. so now i cant seem to continue with french or roxxy (dont have drinks quest). any solutions?
 

zeppelin

Member
Aug 21, 2017
189
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If it was shit, then yes. But, so far, I've been served what I was told to expect. I didn't hype up the meal and expect more from it than advertised.
No, your argument is that the STS coder is the authority on what Ren`py can and can't do simply because you know he has work experience on the engine. You don't care if he's a poor coder or not, you only care about his experience.

So by that logic you will eat shit from a well-known chef.
 
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Alcesto

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Jun 17, 2017
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I'm the only one who dont get money by doing pizza bike delivery? Also some items dont take money from your vallet when you buy them? (computer parts/game and one game card)
 

Jonboy80

Active Member
Dec 8, 2017
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No, your argument is that the STS coder is the authority on what Ren`py can and can't do simply because you know he has work experience on the engine. You don't care if he's a poor coder or not, you only care about his experience.

So by that logic you will eat shit from a well-known chef.
No, my argument is that the SS coder is the authority on SS's modified engine. That until that specific someone can produce a better game using that modified engine (or even the basic engine), I'm more likely to not care about his so-called expertise.

But how many of those talking about how easy it is to make games in Ren'py actually have a game made in Ren'py that they actually worked on?

I don't think he's a poor coder. I think he's overworked though. And, to go back to your analogy of shitty food:

I don't expect five star service when going to a place that is open about it's average quality menu. I don't expect Gordon Ramsay to be cooking my food at McDonalds.

I read his posts on Patreon and Discord. I expect SS to have bugs, I expect slower update cycles. I don't have expectations beyond what is said. I know I'm not going to download the first release of the game and will wait for x.1 or x.2 before playing because x.0 is usually buggy. I'm not expecting a flawless update. I'm not expecting a ton of new content on a character rework when said character has a lot of content already.

The problem is that you, and others like you, expect far too much, considering what this game is (a pornographic visual novel).

You (in the general sense) can't comprehend that an update is more than spank-bank material. That you complain when all you get is ten minutes of content because you use Tab to skip all dialogue until you hit the porn scenes or get stuck because you weren't reading.

You act as though SS is the only reason you live because if you don't get an update every four months that has a lot of material to fap to, you'll die. You can't stand the fact that some people have other things to keep them busy during that period of time.

You can't look past the fact his team is pulling in 50,000 a month. You can't understand that only half of that has to go towards the game and the other half can be used for whatever purposes they want.

You can't stand the fact that a lot of people are more free with their money than you are. It's the exact same as people who cry about others buying lootboxes in other video games. You antagonize and berate them for spending their money on something you disagree with.

Lastly, for the patrons who actually do pay something and threaten to pull funding: Go ahead and pull it. Your couple of dollars won't make a difference in development. Until the total income drops below 25,000 a month, all that extra money they're making is going towards whatever they want it to. It might be the game, it might not. Regardless, most Patrons are fine with the update speed and content cycle. He's not going to lose that many Patrons for quite a while, if ever.
 
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