Ren'Py Summertime Saga [v21.0.0 wip.5605] [Kompas Productions]

[j4yj4m]

"You're popular, you just have to deal with it" is a really shitty place to set your moral bar. Where exactly is the line for "celebrity"? Total number of followers on Instagram? Lifetime box office sales? Number of covers made on tabloids? It's not a good place to go exploring.

A pretty good disctinction is simply the fact that you won't have to ask whether someone is popular enough to be covered. It's pretty simple in my opinion.
I don't want to start moral discussion in this place, it's just how things are...

It's still a little creepy, and more to the point it's lazy. Why bother to develop an actual character with an actual personality when you can just make a cheap caricature of a real-life person that somebody already fantasizes about boning? Just throw on a loose stereotype of some small parts of their public personas and then turn them into a slut. It's why so many adult games suck and I wish people would try to do better.

Let's not get ahead of ourselves, at least not when it comes to SS. None of these celebtriy character is special in any way and no story depends on any of them. You could switch them out randomly, change a few lines of dialog and nobody would have noticed.

Fantasizing about and producing porn about someone are also two completely different things.

While it's true that the depiction is one step further, I doubt it matters that much to those concerned. The act of objectivation is essentially the same, no matter whether it happens in someone's head or is depicted on a screen.
Edit: In this case I'm talking about those who know, what's happening in the mind of their fans...

 

[APoc_]

I think it's a forest from the tree's type situation famous or non famous women. Women in general as a whole in sex games and porn are objectified , so if that really bothers a person then maybe porn and porn games is just not for that person... Is it wrong sure. Is it going to change not likely anytime soon. I mean it has been going on as long as art has been in existence.

 

[itsyeboii]

No not really. I am bothered a little by that as well. At the end of the day though almost all famous people have to put up with parodies of them selves in art and many over the years have been used in sexually explicit art. Is it right prolly not but it is the way it is.
DC is not breaking ground here in this regard. Sure he could have chose to do it differently but I guess he was trying to be edgy by including some recent real life events in a sex game so yeah sex with these woman or if this game would have been aimed at the Gay man audience sex with the Ron ~APoc shudders~

Again though, that's not an argument as to why it would be okay to sexualize them without consent, I know what you're saying it's inevitable for public figures to be used like that, but it's still a bad thing nonetheless. And I know Summertime Saga isn't the first nor the worst to do this, but this is a thread about SS and it has IRL women in them.

"You're popular, you just have to deal with it" is a really shitty place to set your moral bar. Where exactly is the line for "celebrity"? Total number of followers on Instagram? Lifetime box office sales? Number of covers made on tabloids? It's not a good place to go exploring.

It's still a little creepy, and more to the point it's lazy. Why bother to develop an actual character with an actual personality when you can just make a cheap caricature of a real-life person that somebody already fantasizes about boning? Just throw on a loose stereotype of some small parts of their public personas and then turn them into a slut. It's why so many adult games suck and I wish devs would try to do better. Roxxy and Eve are immeasurably better than the Rump women for this exact reason.

Also good points, didn't think people would agree with me tbh.

The Rump character is a classic comedia dell arte archetype - basically a pantaloon/pantalone - whether a person cares about politics or not.

Yeah that's why I only mentioned female IRL characters because they are actually being used for sexual gratification. I couldn't care less about copyright infringement or if people are being made fun of, that falls into fair use/free speech and is pretty harmless.

 

[j4yj4m]

Women in general as a whole in sex games and porn are objectified , so if that really bothers a person then maybe porn and porn games is just not for that person... Is it wrong sure. Is it going to change not likely anytime soon. I mean it has been going on as long as art has been in existence.

When you think about it, in case of these celebrities we at least know who they are. Once we are talking about other characters, it may very well possible that Dev X has taken some actual real life inspiration of somebody who isn't even remotely aware that she's suddenly the star of some popular porn game. There's no way to know.

So I'd actually agree that it's a bit of a futile thought in this space. People who really care about this topic, should probably be really carefully about what kind of porn they are consuming and to make sure that every bit of imigary is based on consent.

 

[itsyeboii]

I think it's a forest from the tree's type situation famous or non famous women. Women in general as a whole in sex games and porn are objectified , so if that really bothers a person then maybe porn and porn games is just not for that person... Is it wrong sure. Is it going to change not likely anytime soon. I mean it has been going on as long as art has been in existence.

Sexualization isn't anything bad in and of itself. It's consent that is the important detail that people who consume porn often forget. You can draw a made up character or someone who consents to it nude and jack off to it all you want, but when you start drawing people nude and put them in sexual positions without their knowledge/consent is when it becomes creepy and borderline illegal.

 

[itsyeboii]

When you think about it, in case of these celebrities we at least know who they are. Once we are talking about other characters, it may very well possible that Dev X has taken some actual real life inspiration of somebody who isn't even remotely aware that she's suddenly the star of some popular porn game. There's no way to know.

So I'd actually agree that it's a bit of a futile thought in this space. People who really care about this topic, should probably be really carefully about what kind of porn they are consuming and to make sure that every bit of imigary is based on consent.

That's some serious mental gymnastics.

 

[APoc_]

Again though, that's not an argument as to why it would be okay to sexualize them without consent, I know what you're saying it's inevitable for public figures to be used like that, but it's still a bad thing nonetheless. And I know Summertime Saga isn't the first nor the worst to do this, but this is a thread about SS

I was not trying to justify it but I am pragmatic in what reality is currently. I am also bothered a little by it, but more in a general sense of how woman as a whole are objectified in porn. On the other hand I am a complex individual and I find it hot in some circumstances.

In the case of SS at least our MC seems to care for all the babes he bangs , he's not into humiliation and rape he does kind of dom Melonia but for the purpose of the story and the way she is in the story it seems to fit.. I see your point and I agree to a certain extent but what would you have us all do?

 

[j4yj4m]

Again though, that's not an argument as to why it would be okay to sexualize them without consent, I know what you're saying it's inevitable for public figures to be used like that, but it's still a bad thing nonetheless. And I know Summertime Saga isn't the first nor the worst to do this, but this is a thread about SS and it has IRL women in them.

If DC wasn't transparent about, we wouldn't know that for example Micoe, Nadya, Jospehine, Anna and Kassy are real fans and have agreed to be part of the game/to have lewds, while let's say Roxxy is 100% fictional. If DC was an asshole he may have added these same girls without their consent and nobody of us would have know... that's the scale of the problem with most games, which are realisitic enough to actually depict somebody.

That's some serious mental gymnastics.

Is it really? I think it's a topic where you either really care enough to not consume most of this stuff or where you ignore it. Anything beyond that is kinda futile.

 

[itsyeboii]

I was not trying to justify it but I am pragmatic in what reality is currently. I am also bothered a little by it, but more in a general sense of how woman as a whole are objectified in porn. On the other hand I am a complex individual and I find it hot in some circumstances.

In the case of SS at least our MC seems to care for all the babes he bangs , he's not into humiliation and rape he does kind of dom Melonia but for the purpose of the story and the way she is in the story it seems to fit.. I see your point and I agree to a certain extent but what would you have us all do?

Nothing, I just wish DC would've made a different choice.

 

[McSlut]

Well I am sorry you feel this way. Honestly, the one thing that always kept me liking this game is the story. It just makes the difference between Summertime Saga and the majority of Meet-and-Fuck games here.

i was just talking about the main story. i still enjoy the story for jenny, roxxy, diane and the teachers. i was a little disappointed with the eve story because it got a little too sappy for my taste and i liked her OG personality more than the sad lonely emo girl we ended up with but grace made up for that for me.. but yeah i thought the main story was just awful, i've never read about anyone who legit praised the main story of this game

 

[itsyeboii]

If DC wasn't transparent about, we wouldn't know that for example Micoe, Nadya, Jospehine, Anna and Kassy are real fans and have agreed to be part of the game/to have lewds, while let's say Roxxy is 100% fictional. If DC was an asshole he may have added these same girls without their consent and nobody of us would have know... that's the scale of the problem with most games, which are realisitic enough to actually depict somebody.

I see what you're saying, but that's a different avenue because we simply can't predict or know everyone on the planet. If you know someone is put in a porn game without knowing/allowing, then you recognize it. When a character is seemingly random but turns out to be based on real person, then you couldn't have known in the first place.
EDIT: this goes for celebs you don't know as well, I don't know all celebs so I won't recognize all of them. It's simply up to the creators to just stop using people.

I'm also not saying you're bad for still jerking it to Melonia, I probably will too because I'm a fucking chimp, but I do think we need to at least recognize that it's not okay to put people in sexual positions without their consent. And I would like to see people draw/render/animate original or fictional characters instead of using someone's likeness.

 

[APoc_]

Sexualization isn't anything bad in and of itself. It's consent that is the important detail that people who consume porn often forget. You can draw a made up character or someone who consents to it nude and jack off to it all you want, but when you start drawing people nude and put them in sexual positions without their knowledge/consent is when it becomes creepy and borderline illegal.

Creepy sure could be, legality is another ball of wax. In America you don't have to change much to evade copyright it may be different in the EU but DC is in America.

As far as people who consume porn , it's near impossible to determine if consent was given unless the laws change and they stop letting porn being produced with out signed documents and even then coercion can and often is used.

What your pointing to is a deep issue humanity has been wrestling with for ages , but as it is with a great many injustices as long as there is money to be made the power structures of the world are likely not going to get in the way of that unless there is a strong united front among the non ruling classes.

 

[itsyeboii]

Creepy sure could be, legality is another ball of wax. In America you don't have to change much to evade copyright it may be different in the EU but DC is in America.

As far as people who consume porn , it's near impossible to determine if consent was given unless the laws change and they stop letting porn being produced with out signed documents and even then coercion can and often is used.

What your pointing to is a deep issue humanity has been wrestling with for ages , but as it is with a great many injustices as long as there is money to be made the power structures of the world are likely not going to get in the way of that unless there is a strong united front among the non ruling classes.

Like I said to J4y, it's fair to assume consent is given because you simply can't know, unless you do like with celebs, it's up to the creators to sort their shit out though. That's why I find it disappointing that DC and other creators choose to draw women for their porn game without consent, when they can create original characters. And that's why I find it creepy because I know for a fact that those celeb women did not consent to have their likeness be used for sexual gratification.

 

[APoc_]

Like I said to J4y, it's fair to assume consent is given because you simply can't know, unless you do like with celebs, it's up to the creators to sort their shit out though. That's why I find it disappointing that DC and other creators choose to draw women for their porn game without consent, when they can create original characters. And that's why I find it creepy because I know for a fact that those celeb women did not consent to have their likeness be used for sexual gratification.

Your probably right they likely did not consent especially the ones in this game , despite the money DC is making his check book is no where near big enough to write that check to get consent ( a rather crass judgment I am making as to the character of said persona's depicted in the game)
I can't point to an example but there have been famous people in the past that may have consented to something like this if they happened have particular proclivities. I know there have been plenty of famous women in dirty magazines that consented and were payed not a big stretch that some of these women may get a kick from doing that. As it is with stars in the sky there are people in the world that think differently about such things.

 

[itsyeboii]

Your probably right they likely did not consent especially the ones in this game , despite the money DC is making his check book is no where near big enough to write that check to get consent ( a rather crass judgment I am making as to the character of said persona's depicted in the game)
I can't point to an example but there have been famous people in the past that may have consented to something like this if they happened have particular proclivities. I know there have been plenty of famous women in dirty magazines that consented and were payed not a big stretch that some of these women may get a kick from doing that. As it is with stars in the sky there are people in the world that think differently about such things.

It would actually be pretty funny if it turns out DC contacted all the women he drew and got their permission lmao. But I think it's a fair assumption to make that that didn't happen. Maybe when porn games grow to be big enough, some celebs or pornstars will lend their likeness to big projects. What a shitstorm that would stir up lol

 

[Omnikuken]

Gotta wonder if all of this will get nuked soon

 

[APoc_]

Gotta wonder if all of this will get nuked soon

So you reported it then .

It was part of the game discussion about why DC chose to use X, if this gets yeeted then what can you really discuss about anything. It may have been off in a tangent but it still was a result of the Devs choices for the game.

 

[gam2000]

Gotta wonder if all of this will get nuked soon

If the off-topic stuff gets deleted, we will probably be reduced to <500 pages...

 

[nejfan]

lmao I started high school when this game came out, I just can't imagine this game will be finished in a state that isn't rushed before I enter my 30s.

Anyways, at the end of the day it's just a porn game so we've all gotten something out of it no matter what lol.

 

[Deep-Six]

Everytime I come to check up the thread it gets worse lmao