Ren'Py Summertime Saga [v21.0.0 wip.5605] [Kompas Productions]

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Carmen Sandiego

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Snugglepuff said:
Normally I'd laugh at the prospect of a VN on Unreal Engine, but sadly they exist...
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I dunno, I feel like it wouldn't be bad for this game since there is already a successful formula and literally nothing needs to change. You'd just be converting everything over from a 2d point and click game to a full world 3d game. All the game mechanics can stay the same and you could even keep the fast travel options from Ren'py for people that don't want to run around the new 3d world. Could you imagine this game in full 3d with interactive scenes? Shiiiiiit. Now, will we ever get that? Probably not. But DC has made more than enough money to work on that if this game ever got finished. Could probably milk that game into oblivion too. Not that I'm saying DC is milking this one...
 
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Carmen Sandiego said:
I dunno, I feel like it wouldn't be bad for this game since there is already a successful formula and literally nothing needs to change. You'd just be converting everything over from a 2d point and click game to a full world 3d game.
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That'd be huge undertaking though.
Not to mention working with an engine and tools that they might not be familiar with, which would add extra time to development as they learn to use them.
At the same time, depending on the quality of the 3D world that you suggest, would make plenty of users unable to play the game at all, due to hardware requirements.

What I said about VNs on Unreal Engine, I was meaning your standard prerendered 2D art and world, just like as if it was in Ren'Py. Basically a pointless waste of something like Unreal Engine's capabilities.

But DC has made more than enough money to work on that if this game ever got finished. Could probably milk that game into oblivion too. Not that I'm saying DC is milking this one...
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Funny, you say you're not saying that but I swear I can see you saying it at least twice... :unsure:
 
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That'd be huge undertaking though.
Not to mention working with an engine and tools that they might not be familiar with, which would add extra time to development as they learn to use them.
At the same time, depending on the quality of the 3D world that you suggest, would make plenty of users unable to play the game at all, due to hardware requirements.

What I said about VNs on Unreal Engine, I was meaning your standard prerendered 2D art and world, just like as if it was in Ren'Py. Basically a pointless waste of something like Unreal Engine's capabilities.

Funny, you say you're not saying that but I swear I can see you saying it at least twice... :unsure:
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Oh for sure. Would take some legit effort and I have no idea what would go into making a 3d world. Just saying it would be awesome. I get what you mean too tho.

Aye. I'm not saying DC isn't milking. Nor am I saying that DC is milking. But DC might be milking. I'm a DC agnostic. Maybe he's milking. Maybe he isn't milking. I'm not a Patron so the money he's making isn't none of my business anyway either way. A.K.A, even if he is milking, what's it got to do with me? Just release the damn update. :LUL:
 
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Carmen Sandiego said:
Is Starfield really that bad? I haven't played it yet, waiting on the creation kit to drop and giving moders time to work that modding magic, but is the vanilla content that bad?
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yep, the only thing Starfield was good at was wasting your time. The rest it did mediocre. Amalgamation of "popular" sci-fi game mechanics sprinkled into decades-old bethesda rpg formula to make perfectly boring whole. It's good fit for people who have too much free time, but don't wanna bother finding actual good games. Like space combat? Everspace 2 was pretty good. Exploring randomly generated worlds? No Man's Sky. Base-building and crafting? Satisfactory or Astroneers. The rest of fps-rpg part - I hear Fallout 4 have amazing conversion and mod packs already.

The fact that Starfield got "Innovation" game award on steam makes me despair at the state of gaming both from industry and player side. This was "another assassins creed" level of innovation at best.
 
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Carmen Sandiego said:
I dunno, I feel like it wouldn't be bad for this game since there is already a successful formula and literally nothing needs to change. You'd just be converting everything over from a 2d point and click game to a full world 3d game. All the game mechanics can stay the same and you could even keep the fast travel options from Ren'py for people that don't want to run around the new 3d world. Could you imagine this game in full 3d with interactive scenes? Shiiiiiit. Now, will we ever get that? Probably not. But DC has made more than enough money to work on that if this game ever got finished. Could probably milk that game into oblivion too. Not that I'm saying DC is milking this one...
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I think switching to Unreal should be done with some of those 3d model visual novels whose large amount of video sequences have long since exploded the size of their games way beyond what a visual novel has. We're talking like 20gig here. Might as well make it a 'real game' at that point.
 
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I think switching to Unreal should be done with some of those 3d model visual novels whose large amount of video sequences have long since exploded the size of their games way beyond what a visual novel has. We're talking like 20gig here. Might as well make it a 'real game' at that point.
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I was wondering where the updates were for this. "Tech" update, huh? And it's just visual novel with sandbox elements, it's not like we are talking about RTS here. With amount of money this makes on patreon, he could've hired whole team of programmers to rebuild it on GODOT with same assets easily.
Well, another title I won't get to see the end of. Makes me appreciate devs with proper production that actually finishes games(like The Architect), so much more.
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I've been thinking that way as well. Games are onjecrivey hard to make. The difficulty in producing a vn mostly comes from its animations and branching story. Assuming the animations are done (posing included) and the story is written, not much else should be left. The game has next to no audio. Minigames could be done by a competent coder in a week assuming they had all the art assets. It's not freaking cyberpunk or portal, it's a VN. No reason for it to take this long . Especially when using a commercial game engine.

Is DC just being lazy or a perfectionist? I'd settle for a comic at this point. Hell, I woud be thrilled for a comic.
 
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gnub33 said:
I've been thinking that way as well. Games are onjecrivey hard to make. The difficulty in producing a vn mostly comes from its animations and branching story. Assuming the animations are done (posing included) and the story is written, not much else should be left. The game has next to no audio. Minigames could be done by a competent coder in a week assuming they had all the art assets. It's not freaking cyberpunk or portal, it's a VN. No reason for it to take this long . Especially when using a commercial game engine.

Is DC just being lazy or a perfectionist? I'd settle for a comic at this point. Hell, I woud be thrilled for a comic.
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Well the art needs to be posed too. Art, which should get mentioned, is all being redone for different size format (due to patron request).
The code needs to be future proved so that additions do it won't break the game in two anymore. As it just so happens, the posing and coding is the stuff taking the most time and DC isn't slapping the coder/posers around to work faster. So DC is more lazy in the aspect in that he isn't hovering over everyone's shoulders like your typical company manager would.
 
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