vitamin433

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First of all
I suggest to go all-out and stop taking products with just one transaction. Let's rent everything and pay monthly for it: house, car, clothes, phones, food, small stuff... even nails and coffins should be rented as well.

I have a good example of how people capitalised on their game with both systems: fenoxo and CO (Corruption of champions and TiTS). CoC2 is released on steam and is not greedy milking people who wanted to just support the dev team. Did I have obligation to pay for a free game?? No. Did they scam me by selling the same product every month with little or no changes?? No. Are they allowed to do it anyway???????? OH YES THEY ARE.
 
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Valcry

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i don't care about the game anymore, dragon age dreadwolf made me bitter and not look optimistically for future releases...i just come here for the chaos every time there's some sort of update. I like a lot of games that are on this platform and i will send money for translators to keep doing gods work when i can. A lot of disappointment is what i see summed up every time i check this thread. I get it. I supported succulence+2 and remtairy. One produced a great final product, the other well...i dont care anymore honestly. If there isnt a completed tag now...ill get to it later. Maybe later.
 

cozynot

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I can't think of a single game on this site that deserves a penny for development. The patreon model time and time again has shown to be a disaster. How many times do we have to see a game milk the main story and give shitty update after shitty update on some side character? Or how many games get forced niche fetishes added by "community vote?"
100% agree. i haven't done the maths, but you probably end up paying more over time for these trash games than you would with a AAA game.

comparing AAA games like Mass Effect with millions upon millions of dollars of funding and expertise to a games like this is actually so stupid, i can't even...
 
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ScrewMe

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How many times tho do we get a game that has a decent story and they cuck the main plot because they fear funding will dry up if the finish the part of the game people actually care about and want to see the end. So they start working on side things for months on end racking in more money, not for a better story, but to drag out development for as long as possible.
It all comes down to the developers and their games. Hell, whole "Mass Effect 2" is a one long side quest.
I partially agree with you on adding more and more characters though. It's a pretty common practice with Harem/FemProtag types of games, where instead of diving deeper into relationships with already written characters, lads add another woman to that harem.
Or FemProtag, where there are simply too many potential LIs and storylines end up being neglected(looking at you, AWAM).
Also, the issue with some of these games is that they don't have the root from which all branches grow. "Momma cheats on her husband with every guy from the hood" is a shitty root, for example)
Balancing NSFW action with storytelling while not fucking up the narrative isn't an easy task. If you give action too early - it'll just be another generic porn fiction, if you go too slow - peeps will get mad cuz of blue balls. Finding a perfect balance is hard.

But going back to the topic of the discussion - yeah, unfortunately a lot of devs fuck up third act when instead of concluding arcs and answering questions they just add a new couple to them.

At times I wonder why (if we exclude milking), because over the years you get tired of your own characters and want to write something new.

Community votes are just more bloat and time sinks for development but hey thats the business model. Lets not kill the golden goose.
Community votes are great if the developer knows how to separate valuable points from bullshit. Feedback is important, mate.
If my game's based on vanilla tropes and some random dude will send 100$ my way asking smth like: "cAn yOu mAkE mAiN LI cHeAt oN MC wItH cHAd wItH gIaNt dOnG", I'll simply send him these 100$ back, because making a sweetheart that protagonist has been chasing for an entire game turn into a whore without any reasons is just stupid writing.

At the end of the day, all of us are different. Obviously, there are dudes who'll milk shit dry. But there always will be a dozen of people who simply love to tell stories(and I'm not talking about myself). It's up to customer - you, to get where's wine and where's vinnegar. Sites like F95 are good for that - you can check the game for free. If you like it and have funds for it - why not support the developer? If you see that the developer's been shady for last couple of months - you can simply play his game for free and that's it.
 

ANDRYNASTACY

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Incredible update
Changelog:
-The last nail on the left hand was redrawn to better fit the new art.
-The stream was run for 2 hours, 3 times a week, but only 15 minutes of the stream were dedicated to the drawing.
-A button that was already there was added, but it's now better.
-We laugh at donors 4 times a week.
-Two missions were improved. The background, which was already done, was actually enlarged, but the Ctrl+C and Ctrl+V were used on the images, and the shadow that no one notices was fixed.
 
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I don't care that they felt like a remaster was necessary, whatever. My issue is there is absolutely no reason the remaster should be taking this long. Like, they act like they're curing cancer when really it's just a graphically updated adventure game from the 90s with sex in it. Sheesh.
 

1231488663

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The downgrade takes longer than the original game development. This guy made the game from scratch and put out the Debbie story in a few months. Now it takes a year to put out what he already made with small changes. And why is it taking so long? Because people voted for a tech update he promised would speed up development.
If he worked at his original pace he could have abandoned Summertime Saga and put out 2-3 SS sized games in the time he has been working on the tech downgrade.
 

Nullx54

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It's not about hiring coders or people to do art. I usually take the position of my colleagues when it comes to developer vs customer battles, but SS has been here forever...heh, as much as I hate it, I'll have to use term "milking" in this case.

Like, the main story is finished, but there are dozens of character substories left to explore: the principal,sports teacher etc etc.
Instead of properly developing their branches and give to folks their stories, we get a remake. Why? Because it's easier)

When Summertime Saga came out, it stood out. But as of now it's just a sad story of what greed may turn once a great game into.

Should've been finished long, looong time ago.
Or maybe close to being finished by now. Just look at Peasant Quest and Tinkerer, who created the game a year prior to SS's conception. The difference is night and day, one dev continues the grind while the other gave up once the money came in.
 

bearsed_lich

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Thanks! Got it now. However I hit a glitch. I am supposed to check in Ms. Dewitt after figuring out who vandalized the auditoriom. However, now I am stuck in the main hallway fo the school and cant do anything!
 

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PhoenixRage23

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so no new content dang, ill check back in 2 months
I would wait at least another year to see any new content since the tech "update" has been getting worked on for at least 2 years. Not sure though. I only check in on this forum every few months to see the comments.
 
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