Ren'Py Summertime Saga [v21.0.0 wip.6440] [Kompas Productions]

[Failmaster4000]

So you're saying that you're the expert in giving head to have any idea what and how well and how much I'm doing whatever you think it is.

This wasn't the comeback you thought it was. Not picking sides because I truly don't care about either of you but holy hell did you try and fail at that comeback. Sorry, but 'tis the truth.

 

[Failmaster4000]

Just an observation - not knocking the dev, the subscribers, the players, or anything. But I do find it odd that this is called a high quality dating sim - when it's not really much of a dating sim, nor is it very deep. The "routes" are pretty straightforward and are easier than most point & click adventures released in the 90's. The lewd scenes look good from a graphics perspective (the artwork definitely is well done and the animations take a while to make, and I prefer this style over the hundreds of 3D rendered types), but seriously - there's really nothing to them aside from - engage in sex, with *maybe* an option for another angle in some cases, speed up/down and finish button. The game truly feels a mile wide but an inch deep in the way it's made. Oh well, just some rambling/ranting on my part, I'm sure my thoughts are probably invalid/incorrect anyways. /shrug

 

[vks017]

What he's doing is creating a GAAS type model where its possible to enter for free, with incentives on his patron that donations will speed up development.
Its pure greed.
This model is for multi-player games where the content is meant to be endlessly replayed. Here a story driven game will just get unbearably bloated following that model. How does 300 NPCs added over a 15 year period in this story format even sound fun?
From a quality standpoint this game should be wrapped up and a new game started if it remains a story driven game. I can see why he is doing it this way but no one should be defending it.

 

[Count Morado]

What he's doing is creating a GAAS type model where its possible to enter for free, with incentives on his patron that donations will speed up development.
Its pure greed.
This model is for multi-player games where the content is meant to be endlessly replayed. Here a story driven game will just get unbearably bloated following that model. How does 300 NPCs added over a 15 year period in this story format even sound fun?
From a quality standpoint this game should be wrapped up and a new game started if it remains a story driven game. I can see why he is doing it this way but no one should be defending it.

It's nothing like a GaaS model. It has no characteristics of a GaaS Model.

There are no microtransactions.
There is no pay-to-play subscription model.
There is no statement made that subscriptions or donations speed up development - the only statement is "you get to help [DarkCookie] financially which is greatly appreciated."

That's it. You're confusing the idea because it's simply a free-to-play game and free-to-play game developers can use the GaaS model. But this doesn't walk like a duck or talk like a duck.

As for 100, 200, 300 NPCs? Some people don't want content to end. Some would like to see content continued to be created for as long as the development team likes. Unless you just want DC to stop after the tech update, Rhonda update, Annie update, and Judith update and round out the dance selection. If that is all you want - then feel free to stop playing when that gets done. No one is stopping you. But since 2017, DC has made it very clear that as long as fans continue to like the game and want more content and he continues to enjoy making content for this game --- he's going to keep working on this game. It's his game and his choice.

 

[vks017]

There is a statement " The more pledges, the more time he can spend adding content to the game instead of working on his day job " that's what I was referring to.
Last time I mentioned it, it was deleted so it probably will again.
So I agree its a f2p game that is taking aspects of the GAAS model to make money to its detriment.
I personally will stop playing the game and following this thread if scenes for Rhona and Annie ever get added since that's what I am waiting for.
Its his game so his choice, I am only offering my opinion that a sequel would be better than a very bloated story focused game.

 

[Count Morado]

Wow Ok.
It seems his patron page has been amended since last time I checked.
It no longer has the incentives it had just a few weeks ago. Kudos for his team for changing it. Wonder if it been mentioned here was a factor since I believe there WAS an incentive for a very long time on his page that has only just been removed.
Lol.
The change does undercut my greed argument. The only parallels now is the endless development with a different optional subscription model.
I still don't like even the idea of over 300 NPCs. If the original cast ever have scenes particularly Rhonda and Annie, I will indeed stop playing and following this thread. That is really all I am waiting for.

He hasn't made any major changes to his Patreon about page in over 2 years. Also, his tier benefits haven't changed.

You must be thinking of a different developer.

Here are four snapshots of DarkCookie's Patreon page (2025, 2023, 2019, 2017) and I don't see the incentives you think you saw. <I had already taken them and uploaded them by the time you posted your follow up post --- so I'm including them, anyway>

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There is a statement " The more pledges, the more time he can spend adding content to the game instead of working on his day job " that's what I was referring to.

That's always been there. It's never been deleted. But, that doesn't say what you implied in your previous post:

incentives on his patron that donations will speed up development.

It just says he can spend more time instead of only doing this in his free-time. Imagine how slow this would take if he had to earn a living doing something else. Imagine the coding nightmare this would be if he was still trying to code it himself while working another job.

I get what you thought he meant from that statement - but there are no incentives promised to players about speeding up development. From my understanding, he has never even hinted in a post nor on stream to people asking for more donations so that they can get the next update out faster.

It still doesn't compare to a GaaS model.

 

[vks017]

Yeah sorry about my now deleted post. From your original reply I thought his patron page had changed. I only noticed it had not after.
We can agree to disagree with the intentions of his wording.

 

[Anonio333]

Is there big difference between 0.20.16 and 0.21.0.0? I prefer playing online and pages have only 0.20.16 version, so not sure, if it's worth downloading.

Thanks in advance.

And sorry, if there was similar question, but 4290 pages is a lil bit much to check

 

[Gojo/infinity]

In your opinion, in what year will we have a scene with her? Personally, I'm betting on 2043.

 

[Badjourasmix]

I decided to check the progress tracker and I swear it was at 88% the last time I checked. Wtf happened?

 

[PayneToTheMax]

Just an observation - not knocking the dev, the subscribers, the players, or anything. But I do find it odd that this is called a high quality dating sim - when it's not really much of a dating sim, nor is it very deep. The "routes" are pretty straightforward and are easier than most point & click adventures released in the 90's. The lewd scenes look good from a graphics perspective (the artwork definitely is well done and the animations take a while to make, and I prefer this style over the hundreds of 3D rendered types), but seriously - there's really nothing to them aside from - engage in sex, with *maybe* an option for another angle in some cases, speed up/down and finish button. The game truly feels a mile wide but an inch deep in the way it's made. Oh well, just some rambling/ranting on my part, I'm sure my thoughts are probably invalid/incorrect anyways. /shrug

The term 'dating sim' and 'visual novel' have been pretty watered down in the western part of the market. Kinda interesting, since every western game pretty much defaults to harem route with rarely (if ever) the girls having separate fleshed out routes to encourage replayability. Western games generally are very one and done.

 

[Count Morado]

Is there big difference between 0.20.16 and 0.21.0.0? I prefer playing online and pages have only 0.20.16 version, so not sure, if it's worth downloading.

Thanks in advance.

And sorry, if there was similar question, but 4290 pages is a lil bit much to check

You don't have to check 4290 pages.
The last 2, maybe 4 at most.
Or use the handy dandy search option at the top of the page.
Or read the changelog in op.
Or you could go to the developer's download page

You must be registered to see the links

to see a table to compare.

So many options.

In your opinion, in what year will we have a scene with her? Personally, I'm betting on 2043.
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I decided to check the progress tracker and I swear it was at 88% the last time I checked. Wtf happened?

It wasn't.
Since starting on Debbie's rework, progress frozen.
86% 01 Jan 2025 (580/670 tasks)
86% 01 Dec 2024 (580/670 tasks)
86% 01 Nov 2024 (580/670 tasks)
86% 01 Oct 2024 (577/670 tasks)

 

[YeetTheFeet]

You don't have to check 4290 pages.
The last 2, maybe 4 at most.
Or use the handy dandy search option at the top of the page.
Or read the changelog in op.
Or you could go to the developer's download page

You must be registered to see the links

to see a table to compare.

So many options.


It wasn't.
Since starting on Debbie's rework, progress frozen.
86% 01 Jan 2025 (580/670 tasks)
86% 01 Dec 2024 (580/670 tasks)
86% 01 Nov 2024 (580/670 tasks)
86% 01 Oct 2024 (577/670 tasks)

Dark cookie is on the patreon milking grindset streak for 3+ years now.

 

[Johnhnbwhwv3412]

Is there sex with maria ?

 

[Anonio333]

You don't have to check 4290 pages.
The last 2, maybe 4 at most.

It would have a point, if new version was quite new, not like 2 years old. I guess discussion about it could be 100, 200 or maybe even 500 pages ago.

Or use the handy dandy search option at the top of the page.

Gimme a quote what should I search for to get exactly what I need without wasting 3h on going through unnecessary info.

Or read the changelog in op.

That's what I did on beginning, but without knowing the game I don't know and I won't be able to know how much data was conversed and how many new content is there.

Or you could go to the developer's download page

You must be registered to see the links

to see a table to compare.

That's what I was looking for, just didn't expect something like that. Thanks and I'd even give you a like, if you weren't such a fragrant one

 

[Count Morado]

Is there sex with maria ?

Yes. In v0 20.16.

It would have a point, if new version was quite new, not like 2 years old. I guess discussion about it could be 100, 200 or maybe even 500 pages ago.

New version is 7 months old. The topic comes up nearly daily about which version has what content.
Searching the thread using that magnifying glass in the corner cuts through clutter if you know how to use search terms.

Gimme a quote what should I search for to get exactly what I need without wasting 3h on going through unnecessary info.

Using one word you used in your first post: difference
https://f95zone.to/search/441291399/?q=difference&t=post&c[thread]=276&o=date
After your and my 2 posts, see how many times on first page of results the answer to your question comes up. Several times.
Searching does not take 3 hours.

Instead you want someone to do the 15 seconds of work for you.

if you weren't such a fragrant one

And you wonder why...

Dark cookie is on the patreon milking grindset streak for 3+ years now.

 

[piraterauf]

How can I make friends with Roxy's Mom?

 

[bat_man]

How can I make friends with Roxy's Mom?

Just follow Roxy's path and it you will become closer. There is no separate path for her.

 

[Anonio333]

Using one word you used in your first post: difference

Ngl, didn't think of this word. Typed "changes", saw 50 pages of results, then checked changelog, saw 100 different names and because don't have any ingame knowledge it tells me nothing then I gave up and asked. Not enough time for digging, so usually I'm doing only basic research in such big games topics.

And you wonder why...

Instead you want someone to do the 15 seconds of work for you.

But you're so great in it I believe being fragrance one is just a mask and deep in heart you love helping. Peace.

 

[Count Morado]

How can I make friends with Roxy's Mom?

in v0.20.16 - content is not in v21.0.0 yet.

Ngl, didn't think of this word.

I used the word you used.

But you're so great in it I believe being fragrance one is just a mask

Fragrant also rhymes with Flagrant

and deep in heart you love helping. Peace.

Snitches get stitches.