Ren'Py Summertime Saga [v21.0.0 wip.6705] [Kompas Productions]

[Black Orchid]

So hes launching the whole game again but im small parts...bro...
How can people defend this?
Seriously.

even if he manages to do 2 months between each portion of content it will still probably take over a year for everything from the current version to be there

 

[Cube78]

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New Jenny looks cute but... different. She actually doesn't lool like Jenny at all...

 

[DeepSpace_Potato]

So hes launching the whole game again but im small parts...bro...
How can people defend this?
Seriously.

And I'm sure that will keep the (same) game going for other 5 years. Amazing, just amazing..
As I posted before I'm expecting side/AI-fanmade-projects to drop faster than the official release, as it's hopeless at this point.

 

[MisterMeh]

My advice for the people who are still upset they can't play the game yet, is to stop paying for it.

By the way, where is the abandoned tag? Where am I supposed to see it? Legitimate question here.

 

[Xupuzulla]

they'll just switch to whatever side dc was on. i remember a few staunch supporters saying releasing the tech release in small parts was a bad idea.

Oh the defenders alrealy changed the script just like DC did,just look at the last pages

 

[j4yj4m]

Having read that patreon post, it'll be interesting to see as to how far they actually managed to replace/rework Debbie's art. DC did quite a few of her sprites on stream and to me that suggests that her old art should be gone for good (apart from her scenes, maybe?).

A few months ago I'd have said they'll implement some of the old stuff (Debbie, Mia, Erik, the teachers, etc.) again, until they actually release their reworks, but now I'm really not so sure anymore.

 

[darkolo]

Having read that patreon post, it'll be interesting to see as to how far they actually managed to replace/rework Debbie's art. DC did quite a few of her sprites on stream and to me that suggests that her old art should be gone for good (apart from her scenes, maybe?).

A few months ago I'd have said they'll implement some of the old stuff (Debbie, Mia, Erik, the teachers, etc.) again, until they actually release their reworks, but now I'm really not so sure anymore.

Yes , with this new release idea, putting any old stuff would be actually stupid waste of time, its all new now

 

[thedoomerjo]

Having read that patreon post, it'll be interesting to see as to how far they actually managed to replace/rework Debbie's art. DC did quite a few of her sprites on stream and to me that suggests that her old art should be gone for good (apart from her scenes, maybe?).

A few months ago I'd have said they'll implement some of the old stuff (Debbie, Mia, Erik, the teachers, etc.) again, until they actually release their reworks, but now I'm really not so sure anymore.

With DC talking about a new, "general direction", I think this update really has become a total overhaul. I mean, they would have to touch up the old art/scenes anyway to fit the new aspect ratio; while they're at it, why not just redo it so it's consistent with everything else?

 

[Shadesishere]

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DC really wants to avoid the abandoned tag, which goes to show that he understands business and sociology. (also of note is that his account was on the site today)

once one location declares something, others follow, and suddenly it's everywhere, just take a look at any movement in last 15 years particularly (the internet is a wonder for spreading anything), snowball effect in action, and the bottom line? it will hurt DC's bottom line.

not a surprise that suddenly DC is "about" to release an update. he probably knows the danger of SS being declared abandoned.

 

[j4yj4m]

With DC talking about a new, "general direction", I think this update really has become a total overhaul. I mean, they would have to touch up the old art/scenes anyway to fit the new aspect ratio; while they're at it, why not just redo it so it's consistent with everything else?

As far as I recall, DC suggested in the beginning, that these very old animations/scenes scenes would stay in 4:3, as they didn't want to invest time into content which ultimately would have been changed again, anyway.
By now I'd agree that all of the sprites should be new - everything else would be strange. Next to that one would hope that DC did use some of his time in these last 18 months to actually rework old scenes and stuff.

 

[FrayTomás]

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That character is Jenny? Why change the characters in that way? :/

 

[Username7]

Interesting well this puts a few things into prospective. Namely this decision had to have been made internally around the start of the year give or take a few weeks, that's about when the coding task stalled out when throughout the fall, and early winter they had been getting done at a relatively steady rate, there were points in October and November where Stray was clearing two to three coding task a week mind you. It was also around that time when Stray started seemingly working on random things as opposed to the in progress coding task which in hindsight was setting up for this new update and release model.

 

[j4yj4m]

not a surprise that suddenly DC is "about" to release an update. he probably knows the danger of SS being declared abandoned.

Does that really make sense? People are talking about it over here for months and he simply could have released a small easter update with a few scenes (including the Android 14+ implementation as a hook) to avoid the tag and to avoid looking this bad.

It's kinda baffling that some people think of DC as some money laundering master scammer who manages to deceive tens of thousands of patrons for years and who is colluding with F95, yet at the same time he is supposed to be too stupid to count till 18? At least in my mind that's such a strange way of thinking.

 

[Black Orchid]

for anyone curious the tech update poll was conducted on december 3rd 2020 and the first pre-tech update released on the 30th of june 2021, so the tech update has been in works for over 3 years

 

[Shadesishere]

Does that really make sense? People are talking about it over here for months and he simply could have released a small easter update with a few scenes (including the Android 64/14 implementation as a hook) to avoid the tag and to avoid looking this bad.

It's kinda baffling that some people think of DC as some money laundering master scammer who manages to deceive tens of thouthands of patrons for years and who is colluding with F95, yet at the same time he is supposed to be too stupid to count till 18? At least in my mind that's such a strange way of thinking.

I do not think DC is a "money laundering master scammer", I do however believe that he (and/or his team) got lazy and complacent due to not having any real consequences of not working properly on the game, while still making a substantial amount of money. And that having that threatened has brought about a "oh shit, we need to do something!" moment, thus leading to what appears to be an update that is going to be barebones of what they have worked on in the last 3 years while they actually get back up to a good pace.

dunno where the "colluding with F95" bit came from, but it wasn't me.

 

[darkolo]

lets think for a moment, DCs business model is patreon. Would people start canceling their patreons for Summertime Saga at masses just because F95 put abandoned tag? When they can see he works on the game every day on his streams, and put news on his discord etc. I really dont think so.

 

[j4yj4m]

I do not think DC is a "money laundering master scammer", I do however believe that he (and/or his team) got lazy and complacent due to not having any real consequences of not working properly on the game, while still making a substantial amount of money. And that having that threatened has brought about a "oh shit, we need to do something!" moment, thus leading to what appears to be an update that is going to be barebones of what they have worked on in the last 3 years while they actually get back up to a good pace.

dunno where the "colluding with F95" bit came from, but it wasn't me.

I just summarzied a few positions over here. Sorry if it sounded like I'd be saying that about you.

Then again, I'm not sure I'd share your opinion to this degree. The tag on F95 is just so easily avoidable, that it's not really a threat to anyone who actually cares about it. All he had to do was to release another scene pre-tech-update within the last months and he'd have another year to go without worries.

 

[Erectosaurus]

Kind of funny if you compare devs like DC to the one dude who is making Manor Lords. Some Slav in his basement managed to create a whole ass game while DC and his team of the world's most incompetent coders fumble around for two years.

 

[mestrexota]

lets think for a moment

This is asking too much, bro.

As I said before, people just want to externalize their frustration. The most we can do as community – which isn't much – is to make people aware that the development of this game is almost stalled and doesn't deserve the amount of funding. The tag is a crucial part to push this muffled message forward.

 

[Xupuzulla]

lets think for a moment, DCs business model is patreon. Would people start canceling their patreons for Summertime Saga at masses just because F95 put abandoned tag? When they can see he works on the game every day on his streams, and put news on his discord etc. I really dont think so.

The defenders actually admit now that the patreons are angry,are fuming about the lack of progress.
The gravy train is crumbling and this is DC hail mary.