Ren'Py Summertime Saga [v21.0.0 wip.6705] [Kompas Productions]

[exsomon]

so developer tried to upgrade engine used for some reason,
fucked something up, could not find the reason which might be trevial as a missing semicolon
ther started from scratch
it is better to abandon this one and start another
takes less time

 

[PayneToTheMax]

true but what i wonder is, do these people who are still supporting STS financially realize that they are actually harming the game development by doing that.

I doubt most of them actually notice supporting him on their bank account amongst all the other bills they pay each month.

lastly i would stop wasting my time drawing more school desks or other shit nobody cares about and work on lots more h-scenes so i can inlude them with the tech update so that the fans don't have to be satisfied with 16:9 resolution, some new empty locations and nothing else after years of waiting.

Then make your own goddamn game. At least you'd be doing something of value that benefits this place instead of wasting everyone's time.

 

[teraptuss]

Yes, there are probably a decent number of people who subscribed and forgot. For those people who do not miss that $1 or whatever each month tells you more about their financial situation than anything else. The monthly fee they pay is so small compared to their personal income and wealth that it doesn't matter to them. Why should it matter to anyone who is not them?

Now, for the people who sign up for the service you mention - they realize they are spending money they may or may not desire to and after receiving the report from that service, make informed decisions about continuing. Again, why should it matter to anyone who is not them?

Dude I don't know what your deal is and why you get so condescending and sanctimonious. Even if you claim you are not trying to be, your tone comes off as so.

Crap load of the people in this thread complain about the dude milking or not hiring enough folks or why he makes too much money. The other half piss and moan that those folks are in here and not people just trying to have a discussion about what ever they deem germane to this thread.

Yet when folks try to ask something out of curiosity, people like you shit all over them. I was legit interested, not trying to insinuate what why how people spend their money.

Reading a handful of the posts, its almost like you enjoy the folks complaining just so you can get those hits of dopamine trying to be the smartest self righteous twat in the room.

 

[PayneToTheMax]

Since it apparently bears reminding

 

[Count Morado]

I was legit interested, not trying to insinuate what why how people spend their money.

This reads like someone insinuating something (emphasis added)--

who actually forgets they have a subscription. A LOT is the answer. My mind was blown on just how many folks had subs to Netflix or apple TV and just forgot, let alone small amounts that most of Dc's tiers are on Patreon are set at. Patreon is actually one of the large "offender" our subsidiary scrubs out for clients....

Dunno if its related...but seems like good business practices for DC or other creators to have low tiers since folks are more likely to forget about a $1 here $5 there a month. I am not a supporter or hater of DC either way ...just curios of how many of his Patreon's are long forgotten pay zombies

I hope you can see how a reader might take this as such - a backwards way to complain about "pay zombies" and stating it is "good business practices" for creators to have low tiers specifically for people to forget, with Patreon a "large 'offender'".

I apologize I misread your intent. Thank you for clarifying.

Since it apparently bears reminding
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Thanks, though as we've seen... LUL

 

[sucklepuck]

The only milkers I care about are Diane's tbh.

 

[McSlut]

Estimation:

He never made an estimation of 3 months, i think the lowest was like 9, which, still, is a lot less. This is, for me, the biggest mistake he made i think the estimation was rushed and he did not think true when presenting it to the patrons, and that is failing in communication.

Having said that, estimations are tricky, for not saying imposible for this kind of tasks. So I think there are two options: try to do even more planning and distract the team (delaying even more the update) to do a new estimation that probably, almost defenetly, will be false, OR try to communicate the velocity of the projects and what tasks are being done so you can be transparent with the people who pays.

Now, if next year with a functioning base system, adapted to new techonologies and a solid team , they say that the Rhonda update will be 5 months and it ends up taking 10, well , they really suck at this.

well you are wrong, he made an estimation of 3-4 months and put the whole thing to a vote

https://f95zone.to/threads/summertime-saga-v0-20-16-pre-tech-kompas-productions.276/post-11358944

now how he got to the number is one of the biggest mysteries in summertime saga development. maybe he did just pull it out of his ass or something but the fact that it will not take 3 months but 3 years (by this point a pretty optimistic view) is pretty much proof that he doesn't know what the fuck he is doing and that the whole project is in dire need of some project planning

also getting the team together and finding out what the fuck they are even doing isn't delaying the game. progress came to a crawl anyway, the tracker has been stuck at 82% for months so if they take 2 days to make a real estimation of how much longer the tech update is going to take might slow down development from barely progressing to not progressing at all for 2 days but then he could at least be honest with his patreons so i think it would be worth it

 

[Count Morado]

DC 100% could've paused patreon support tbh like some devs do, but didn't. So "im forcing nobody to support the game" is a redundant argument because there are people who would 100% still support even after a year of no updates and DC knows it.

Your argument falls flat because you're not comparing apples to apples.

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Goth chick is better than Diane

Here we are in agreement.

 

[Count Morado]

now how he got to the number is one of the biggest mysteries in summertime saga development... he doesn't know what the fuck he is doing

Perhaps you should take a page from this guy's book:

frankly i also have no idea how much work goes into such a project, but i think there is a reason why DC makes 50k and others on patreon don't. if it was so easy to make a game like SS we would have seen dozens of games with the same kind of quality on patreon but we don't.

complainers are sort of shitting up the thread. this thread is far better and enjoyable to read if people post their wishes regarding the games content or discuss their favourite characters. posting the same complains over and over and over and over again gets on everyones nerves especially when the far more effective method of protesting would be to just pull your donation to DC and be done with it. if you are not satisfied with the product pull your pledge and come back in two years or so when enough content has be added to your liking. the sad thing is most people who cry about DC are not even patreons.

 

[PayneToTheMax]

well you are wrong, he made an estimation of 3-4 months and put the whole thing to a vote

https://f95zone.to/threads/summertime-saga-v0-20-16-pre-tech-kompas-productions.276/post-11358944

now how he got to the number is one of the biggest mysteries in summertime saga development. maybe he did just pull it out of his ass or something but the fact that it will not take 3 months but 3 years (by this point a pretty optimistic view) is pretty much proof that he doesn't know what the fuck he is doing and that the whole project is in dire need of some project planning

also getting the team together and finding out what the fuck they are even doing isn't delaying the game. progress came to a crawl anyway, the tracker has been stuck at 82% for months so if they take 2 days to make a real estimation of how much longer the tech update is going to take might slow down development from barely progressing to not progressing at all for 2 days but then he could at least be honest with his patreons so i think it would be worth it

Do it then. Stop complaining and try to be the change you want to see since, apparently, you know much better how to handle it. So, go on. Stop talking some hot air for a change and go to DC.

 

[McSlut]

Do it then. Stop complaining and try to be the change you want to see since, apparently, you know much better how to handle it. So, go on. Stop talking some hot air for a change and go to DC.

i can't "go" to dc since you just get dogpiled by his crazy fans and then banned on his discord for questioning his working methods. he also said on stream that he doesn't care what people say and that he wants to keep things doing the way he wants to. that's why i said the only way to make him change is mind if his financial support keeps dropping significantly

 

[DeepSpace_Potato]

i can't "go" to dc since you just get dogpiled by his crazy fans and then banned on his discord for questioning his working methods. he also said on stream that he doesn't care what people say and that he wants to keep things doing the way he wants to. that's why i said the only way to make him change is mind if his financial support keeps dropping significantly

The interesting part regards his patreons is the total count. It usually drops to 50k and after 1-2 week/s, so I noticed 2 times, gets 6-7k back. No idea how considering he doesn't release a single valuable thing, but if it keeps like that, then nothing will change as it's the perfect formula with little or 0 effort. I suppose people supporting him since 2016-2017 are scared of him deciding to abandon the project if the money drops under a certain level.
The turning point will be the release of this famous tech update and if it'll really speed up things after that(I doubt it).

 

[Count Morado]

The interesting part regards his patreons is the total count. It usually drops to 50k and after 1-2 week/s, so I noticed 2 times, gets 6-7k back. No idea how considering he doesn't release a single valuable thing, but if it keeps like that, then nothing will change as it's the perfect formula with little or 0 effort. I suppose people supporting him since 2016-2017 are scared of him deciding to abandon the project if the money drops under a certain level.

This is typical of all creators, but more noticeable in the trends after they hit a certain level of support because of the sheer numbers of subscribers. It has nothing to do with people abandoning and returning or large numbers of new subscribers.

It's people who either don't have enough credit available on their credit cards or don't have enough funds on their debit card or other similar problem that cause a "soft-decline":

“Patreon retries soft-decline (transactions that don’t go through because of a temporary issue, like insufficient funds) several times during the month. So if a payment declines on the 1st, we have more opportunities to get those funds back.” — Maritza Dominguez, Patreon’s Payment & Risk Operations Manager.​

That's why you see those dips that rebuild - it's successful transactions on retries after the first soft-decline.

The turning point will be the release of this famous tech update and if it'll really speed up things after that(I doubt it).

There will be a HUGE uptick in subscribers the month(s) after the tech update. Also, the tech update won't speed things up. People should expect the updates to be similar as before - about every 3-4 months on average. Some quicker, some longer. The "speed up" may only be internally while they code/implement/etc - but don't expect the public to see any change.

 

[itsyeboii]

The only milkers I care about are Diane's tbh.

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Man I really hope Diane gets more content, preferably with Debbie in the farm, you know to maximize production

 

[Count Morado]

when it comes to their masturbation material some people just stop using their brains

Irony

 

[PayneToTheMax]

i can't "go" to dc since you just get dogpiled by his crazy fans and then banned on his discord for questioning his working methods. he also said on stream that he doesn't care what people say and that he wants to keep things doing the way he wants to. that's why i said the only way to make him change is mind if his financial support keeps dropping significantly

So you are just wasting your and our time. Good job.

 

[itsyeboii]

Irony

I was thinking the exact same thing lmao

 

[McSlut]

So you are just wasting your and our time. Good job.

don't worry about my life, i'm doing what i want and i'm doing fine, you should worry about own

 

[j4yj4m]

The interesting part regards his patreons is the total count. It usually drops to 50k and after 1-2 week/s, so I noticed 2 times, gets 6-7k back. No idea how considering he doesn't release a single valuable thing, but if it keeps like that, then nothing will change as it's the perfect formula with little or 0 effort. I suppose people supporting him since 2016-2017 are scared of him deciding to abandon the project if the money drops under a certain level.
The turning point will be the release of this famous tech update and if it'll really speed up things after that(I doubt it).

I think you are pretty much misreading your own numbers. The drops mean patron turnover. In theory it just takes 7 to 10 months or so (50k/7k, 50k/6k or whatever number you want to take) for every patron to be replaced.

Sadly patreon doesn't release these numbers (I'm not even sure if devs can see them) but I'd be very interested in the average time someone is actually subcribing to DC/other devs. I suspect that the number of longterm patrons is indeed not that big - smaller at least, than many would guess.

It's easy to forget that DC caters to a massive global casual audience, and if you've got a market of several 100 million people, it's not that hard to find 7000 people a month who are willing to subscribe for some time. At least not, as long as you've got a game that's as well known as SS. I mean, just take a look at youtube or popular porn video platforms. There are pretty recent SS videos with 100k views+ - some older ones even have millions of views. And people are really asking where DC is getting some 1000 subscribers a month? Do they not know, how easy horny people tend to spend a few bucks?

 

[hisnik2]

Man I really hope Diane gets more content, preferably with Debbie in the farm, you know to maximize production

Yea. New ladies or the lastest ones are one of the most boring, uninteresting characters in the game. I dont even care whats happening after conclusion on Marias route.