DrakoGhoul

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More or less this is what Zara says:
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Now what I can gather from what Cole says is basically he wasn't bragging about "defeating" or "taking down" Val but rather just straight fighting him.
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Depending how that was there could of been a period of time Cole was fighting it by himself before Ella or anyone else showed up (knowing how he is, he probably rushed in).

Despite not being at full power its quite clear it required everyone (even Ella) to get involved to fight Val (who knows how much power he used during that) but we know Val was regaining enough strength to push MC to the very limit during that fight.
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No one corrects Cole for saying this line. Which implies he did a lot of damage to Val himself.

Btw to get the first picture response just thank Cole.

Edit: Even if you taunt Cole he basically says what Zara would say if you thank cole.
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He even mentions that Big Sis (Ella) had to get involved but its clear her role wasn't that large and just made sure her kids didnt die (Cole landed some sort of big blow to Val which left em weaker, weak enough for MC at least).
I don't think them not correcting Cole points to him not lying personally but meh. Also, since you have the game loaded, can you check the statement with Charlie? I think it happens where monster Deryl gives Ella the heart.

I should stop being lazy and just download the game again but we all know where that's going to lead me.
 

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I don't think them not correcting Cole points to him not lying personally but meh. Also, since you have the game loaded, can you check the statement with Charlie? I think it happens where monster Deryl gives Ella the heart.

I should stop being lazy and just download the game again but we all know where that's going to lead me.
Gimmie a bit to find the spot and i'll check da statement.
 
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I don't think them not correcting Cole points to him not lying personally but meh. Also, since you have the game loaded, can you check the statement with Charlie? I think it happens where monster Deryl gives Ella the heart.

I should stop being lazy and just download the game again but we all know where that's going to lead me.
Alright papa Syther here with da statement(s):

So here's what Charlie said:
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Now Cole here is taking a lot of flak from Charlie but Zara says something that puts shit into perspective:
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So Zara and Charlie's powers do jack and shit against Val which implies Cole was doing the fighting (with help from Briar I assume and maybe some other kids).

Which I can guess is why Ella had to get involved.

I can see why now Cole isn't being corrected by anyone on stage. He was doing a lot (with help from assumably Briar and Ella)
 

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Alright papa Syther here with da statement(s):

So here's what Charlie said:
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Now Cole here is taking a lot of flak from Charlie but Zara says something that puts shit into perspective:
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So Zara and Charlie's powers do jack and shit against Val which implies Cole was doing the fighting (with help from Briar I assume and maybe some other kids).

Which I can guess is why Ella had to get involved.

I can see why now Cole isn't being corrected by anyone on stage. He was doing a lot (with help from assumably Briar and Ella)
Yes, that's what I was referring too. Thanks for going through the trouble of finding it and posting it.

That's why I feel like Cole didn't actually do much of anything. They stole his heart before he woke up, which weakens him and Cole's attacks shouldn't do anything to him since Val's passive miasma blocks those types of powers. Unless Cole has some kind of physical attack, Ella carried them all. Which is why I felt like Cole was just talking big to the MC. Sure, he fought Val but according to Charlie, Val kicked his ass before beating the rest until Ella came.
 

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Yes, that's what I was referring too. Thanks for going through the trouble of finding it and posting it.
No prob Brother Drako.

That's why I feel like Cole didn't actually do much of anything. They stole his heart before he woke up, which weakens him and Cole's attacks shouldn't do anything to him since Val's passive miasma blocks those types of powers. Unless Cole has some kind of physical attack, Ella carried them all. Which is why I felt like Cole was just talking big to the MC. Sure, he fought Val but according to Charlie, Val kicked his ass before beating the rest until Ella came.
Well there is a chance Briar played a role in it that allowed Cole somehow to bypass the Miasma. He could also as you said have a physical attack.

There's also a possibility (doubtful) that maybe Val's passive doesnt work on Cole's power or people with similar.

Idk the vibe im gettin from all this is that due to Zara and Charlie being unable to do shit Cole had to do the heavylifting.

Yeah he got his ass kicked but other than help from Briar he was goin at it alone until Ella showed. Unless Ella corrects him later on I can see why he brags about being the one to weaken him (I mean we dont know his full capabilities so maybe he has some hidden tricks) doesnt help that no one corrects him.

I do wanna mention that Charlie was mad at Cole which is why she worded that he got his ass kicked (she wanted to make him mad I guess)
 
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Yes, that's what I was referring too. Thanks for going through the trouble of finding it and posting it.

That's why I feel like Cole didn't actually do much of anything. They stole his heart before he woke up, which weakens him and Cole's attacks shouldn't do anything to him since Val's passive miasma blocks those types of powers. Unless Cole has some kind of physical attack, Ella carried them all. Which is why I felt like Cole was just talking big to the MC. Sure, he fought Val but according to Charlie, Val kicked his ass before beating the rest until Ella came.
really? i didn't know they stole it before he woke up, the way charlie worded it made it seem they fought Valravn without his heart, which means he was porbably an B+ to A- level monster without his heart which is still insane with just two level 3s (presumably briar should be a level 3 too) It still ranks as an impressive feat by Cole considering he did it with only briar to help. [also zara pretty much confirms that full powered Valravn was an S level Monster]
 

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The really unfortunate part is we lack much of any info on Briar so we dont know how much help he truly provided...for all we know he got taken down quick and easy just like he was with Nico.

From that 1 fight I don't think Briar is much of a physical fighter (he seems to be a support) so it's possible Val bop'd em and took him out of the fight which if was the case Cole was solo'ing Val fully until Ella showed.
 

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No prob Brother Drako.


Well there is a chance Briar played a role in it that allowed Cole somehow to bypass the Miasma. He could also as you said have a physical attack.

There's also a possibility (doubtful) that maybe Val's passive doesnt work on Cole's power or people with similar.

Idk the vibe im gettin from all this is that due to Zara and Charlie being unable to do shit Cole had to do the heavylifting.

Yeah he got his ass kicked but other than help from Briar he was goin at it alone until Ella showed. Unless Ella corrects him later on I can see why he brags about being the one to weaken him (I mean we dont know his full capabilities so maybe he has some hidden tricks) doesnt help that no one corrects him.

I do wanna mention that Charlie was mad at Cole which is why she worded that he got his ass kicked (she wanted to make him mad I guess)
The weakened part could also easily be referring to stealing his heart there. Remember, Charlie said their heist involved stealing his heart until they, likely Cole, decided they should fight it. Cole definitely fought him by himself but that doesn't mean Val wasn't destroying him while Briar was giving him heals. If that's what Briar was there for. Charlie and Zara were basically useless. Shen would be too with those illusions of his.

As for Cole's power working on Val, I thought it said intangible and non physical abilities didn't work? Like, I recall Light being mentioned as not working somewhere. I'll have to check but if true, none of them could actually use their powers against him. All their abilities should be food for Val's miasma. Unless, without his heart, his passive isn't as strong. Then I could see why Cole could do some damage. I still think Ella ultimately carried them though.

really? i didn't know they stole it before he woke up, the way charlie worded it made it seem they fought Valravn without his heart, which means he was porbably an B+ to A- level monster without his heart which is still insane with just two level 3s (presumably briar should be a level 3 too) It still ranks as an impressive feat by Cole considering he did it with only briar to help. [also zara pretty much confirms that full powered Valravn was an S level Monster]
Likely B-Rank or slightly lower. They, or Cole rather, stole his heart first. Cole said fuck it, let's beat his ass while he's sleeping and Val wakes up and beats their ass instead. This goes on until Ella appears and presumably beats him.

Another possibly important detail is Val probably couldn't use his armor without his heart. We know he just ran around with just his bird form until Deus gave him his heart. This is mostly speculation for now because I think he was going to use it against MC during their first encounter before he got his heart but the 2nd appeared.
 
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Likely B-Rank or slightly lower. They, or Cole rather, stole his heart first. Cole said fuck it, let's beat his ass while he's sleeping and Val wakes up and beats their ass instead. This goes on until Ella appears and presumably beats him.

Another possibly important detail is Val probably couldn't use his armor without his heart. We know he just ran around with just his bird form until Deus gave him his heart. This is mostly speculation for now because I think he was going to use it against MC during their first encounter before he got his heart but the 2nd appeared.
You sure he was B-Rank or lower when he fought cole? i don't think ella would need to step in for a B-Rank or lower.
 

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Thanks. I really don't need to play and find a new reason to make a 6th Playthrough. 5 playthroughs are already a pain to manage. I don't think I'll be able to remain sane with a 6th one.
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XD i don't wanna read what i wrote last night :confused:. But cuntboy gonna get himself killed for acting cocky it doesn't Need to be us alice would be a nice counter just nuke the Living shit out of him
 

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What do you think about possibility of several years time skip in near updates (give MC and the rest of the team time to grow and build themself up, show that SIN is not you "vilian of the week" type opponent, but a serious threat and let some worldbuilding to react and adapt to this "new world")?
 

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What do you think about possibility of several years time skip in near updates (give MC and the rest of the team time to grow and build themself up, show that SIN is not you "vilian of the week" type opponent, but a serious threat and let some worldbuilding to react and adapt to this "new world")?
I'm on the fence with time skips can help but also fuck everything so yeah also when the dark moon raid patch comes you gonna get your world building XD
 

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one of the only times i have seen Loremaster Gtdead biased. I do believe had no reason to lie, cocky as he is, i do think he took down valravn with the other kids. Plus he would've been called out by the other kids if he really did nothing.
I actually have a good reason to suspect that Cole did nothing in this fight other than just "trying" to wound Valravn and failing hard. I will explain in the end of the post.

In any case, just taking part in this fight makes it extremely likely that he had to survive Valravn's attacks, especially considering that he probably was the only one who would do any damage to Valravn, and he would be the prime target.

Some snippets that showcase Cole's character.

Ella "Only Goliath is down there. I let the other loose."
show cole an with hpunch
Cole "What!?"
Cole "Have you any idea how hard it was for us to beat that thing!?"
Ella "Of course, I saved you after all."

Cole "......"
show ella m flip with dissolve
Ella "Hmhm, what's the matter? Afraid he'll come back for revenge? Aren't you my oldest, my strongest, my best? Where'd that confidence go?"
He uses the word "beat", but when MC taunts him it's clear that he believes he didn't beat shit.

Ella "How many have you found?"
Cole "Five, not including the one I'm tracking down now."
Cole "Proud of me?"
show ella ant flip with dissolve
Ella "...And how many of those did you take off your brothers and sisters?"
show cole laugh with dissolve
Cole "Pssh, they gave them to me. And I left them mostly healthy afterwards. It's a win/win."
He takes credit for something he didn't do and he only admits that because Ella knows what's going on.

Cole "We saw your big fight. I bet you're proud of yourself huh? Beating that weakened shell of a monster. You have no idea how big of a bullet you dodged thanks to me."
You "What does that mean?"
Cole "It means that if you fought that thing as I had to fight it, you'd be spending the rest of your life as an immobile heart dispenser, getting eaten day in and day out."
menu:
"Taunt him":
jump tauntcole
"Thank him":
jump thankcole
"Shrug":
jump shrugcole

label tauntcole:
You "You fought it before huh? Did you win?"
show cole n with dissolve
Cole "......."
You "Didn't think so. Guess you're just jealous I finished the job you couldn't."
show cole an with dissolve
Cole "As if loser. That thing was nothing compared to what it used to be. Even Big Sis had to-"
The idiot actually was the reason why MC eventually fought Valravn and he still believes that his action was beneficial.
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Valravn's threat level:

Valravn when MC fights him is a B Class threat according to the description. Small arms don't work against him, heavier tech like Tanks are useless against him and they normally send a level 3. MC was level 2 and Xanthe said that his chances were extremely low. This resonates fairly well with what Ella says about the chances of a level 2 vs level 3s, so I consider this matter closed.

Considering that a bunch of level 3s had trouble beating him, he would be a Class A or higher during that fight. Perhaps stealing his heart weakened him.

I think that Valravn in full power is a rank S, like the other monsters with pure connections to Apostles, Aglaecwif, Hex, Goliath etc. However it seems that his power level is a bit too malleable. He is a tough bastard but he needs to consume if he sustains injuries, true to his carrion status before his ascendance.
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Why I think that Cole and the kids never had a chance against Valravn and it was all Ella:

I will try to be as clear as possible with the progression here, because it's important.

1) Valravn was strong enough to fight a bunch of level 3s.
2) After the fight, Valravn was barely functional. It took many hearts and Deus? to restore his basic functionallity.
3) If MC as a level 2 managed to beat Valravn, then MC as a level 3 would completely wipe the floor with him.
4) 4-5 level 3s are surely more powerful than a single newborn level 3.
5) The team of level 3s had so much trouble that Ella had to go save them.

My point: If the kids were capable of wounding Valravn so much that it needed to eat with a straw, they would have done it without Ella, by chipping at it constantly till he couldn't take anymore. Valravn seems to lose a lot of power when he gets wounded, so the chipping strategy would work wonders till it is weak enough for Cole to blow it up and leave it barely alive. But they couldn't. Charlie, Zara and Shen have mental powers, Briar is probably support guessing from him behavior, and Cole has heat based powers (MC uses Valravn's armor replica for fire immunity).

It's obvious that they bit WAY more than they could chew, but Cole instead of admitting his mistake of fighting an extremely strong monster without knowing that it resisted all his attacks, he claims he "fought and weakened it". It's quite possible that during the fight, Cole was all "Protect me and I will kill it", so all he did was raising his hand and looking mean, never managing to do anything useful while the others did all the work of handling Valravn and surviving it's attacks.

I'm calling it here, it was Ella 100% that wounded Valravn. All the kids managed to do was annoy him, dodge him and perhaps trip him but all of them were incapable of wounding him.
 
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I actually have a good reason to suspect that Cole did nothing in this fight other than just "trying" to wound Valravn and failing hard. I will explain in the end of the post.

In any case, just taking part in this fight makes it extremely likely that he had to survive Valravn's attacks, especially considering that he probably was the only one who would do any damage to Valravn, and he would be the prime target.

Some snippets that showcase Cole's character.


He uses the word "beat", but when MC taunts him it's clear that he believes he didn't beat shit.


He takes credit for something he didn't do and he only admits that because Ella knows what's going on.


The idiot actually was the reason why MC eventually fought Valravn and he still believes that his action was beneficial.
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Valravn's threat level:

Valravn when MC fights him is a B Class threat according to the description. Small arms don't work against him, heavier tech like Tanks are useless against him and they normally send a level 3. MC was level 2 and Xanthe said that his chances were extremely low. This resonates fairly well with what Ella says about the chances of a level 2 vs level 3s, so I consider this matter closed.

Considering that a bunch of level 3s had trouble beating him, he would be a Class A or higher during that fight. Perhaps stealing his heart weakened him.

I think that Valravn in full power is a rank S, like the other monsters with pure connections to Apostles, Aglaecwif, Hex, Goliath etc. However it seems that his power level is a bit too malleable. He is a tough bastard but he needs to consume if he sustains injuries, true to his carrion status before his ascendance.
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Why I think that Cole and the kids never had a chance against Valravn and it was all Ella:

I will try to be as clear as possible with the progression here, because it's important.

1) Valravn was strong enough to fight a bunch of level 3s.
2) After the fight, Valravn was barely functional. It took many hearts and Deus? to restore his basic functionallity.
3) If MC as a level 2 managed to beat Valravn, then MC as a level 3 would completely wipe the floor with him.
4) 4-5 level 3s are surely more powerful than a single newborn level 3.
5) The team of level 3s had so much trouble that Ella had to go save them.

My point: If the kids were capable of wounding Valravn so much that he needed to eat with a straw, they would have done it without Ella. But they couldn't. Charlie, Zara and Shen have mental powers, Briar is probably support guessing from him behavior, and Cole has heat based powers (MC uses Valravn's armor replica for fire immunity).

It's obvious that they bit WAY more than they could chew, but Cole instead of admitting his mistake of fighting an extremely strong monster without knowing that it resisted all his attacks, he claims he "fought and weakened it".

I'm calling it here, it was Ella 100% that wounded Valravn. All the kids managed to do was annoy him, dodge him and perhaps trip him but all of them were incapable of wounding him.
and there's that line from old Val when he's released from Ella where he says something along the lines of I should kill you and eat your heart for weaking me. I feel like if Cole was this big mac daddy warrior that bodied Valraven, old Val would've mentioned him as the one who wounded him
 

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and there's that line from old Val when he's released from Ella where he says something along the lines of I should kill you and eat your heart for weaking me. I feel like if Cole was this big mac daddy warrior that bodied Valraven, old Val would've mentioned him as the one who wounded him
Also cuntboy freaked out when ella told him raven boy was free. He only acts cocky because he got captured.
 

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and there's that line from old Val when he's released from Ella where he says something along the lines of I should kill you and eat your heart for weaking me. I feel like if Cole was this big mac daddy warrior that bodied Valraven, old Val would've mentioned him as the one who wounded him
Yeah, this ship has too may holes. if Cole was that pivotal, he wouldn't shit his pants when he learned that Valravn is free. He would probably say something in the lines of "good, let the dumb bird eat some hearts so I can destroy it again". The same attitude he has against MC. The funny thing is that MC has showcased that he has both the defensive and offensive capacity to survive and kill a Rank A even if Asura was very weakened. All Cole has showcased is that he is delusional.
 

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Yeah, this ship has too may holes. if Cole was that pivotal, he wouldn't shit his pants when he learned that Valravn is free. He would probably say something in the lines of "good, let the dumb bird eat some hearts so I can destroy it again". The same attitude he has against MC. The funny thing is that MC has showcased that he has both the defensive and offensive capacity to survive and kill a Rank A even if Asura was very weakened. All Cole has showcased is that he is delusional.
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Of course look at him in his favorite hobby.
Cuntboy has issues lol
 

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Heheh

Rai likes clapping....something else.

Just know that anyone who is granted power by Rai must undergo this training:
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Yeah thats right...Rai fucks pots...he happened to come across a mystical pot during a fight against another variant...he learned this pot could increase cock size if used for an extensive amount of time...he uses it to train those who wish to serve under him.

There is an additional effect to the cock growth...your dick can shoot lighting bolts bro!
Is it sad that I know that entire Doujin?
 
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