harem.king

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I think this is pretty good place to leave it then. I can agree with everything above. I just don't consider false reasons, valid reasons so I didn't include them in my original statement.
Oh, I absolutely agree with you that those are not valid reasons.
That person was clearly wrong.
I am just saying that rather than him being a liar who says "I hate her for X" but actually hates her for Y...
He is a crazy person who hates her for imaginary reason X that is all in his head.

huh... now I am the one doing psychoanalysis...
I guess I am a bit of a hypocrite there. My apologies.
 

Julles Ra

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optional NTR in 99%+ of games means the dev rewrote a waifu into a whore on a leash.
If you ever falter in keeping her on a short leash, she will cuck you.
In this game the NTR route is handled very differently.

She literally asks you to come ward off this person who is trying to coerce her into sex (by threatening her sister).
And you have to first agree, and then actively decide that instead of doing as you promised, you are going to backstab her and peep. This is 100% on you. She is not the whore on a leash, you are the cuck who pushed her to it.
And then as a cherry on top, if you reject the NTR route you end up killing him and his buddies after he kidnaps her.

I hate the NTR route mind you. But I don't hate the character nor the game.
Because this was done intelligently, without ruining her via the "whore on a leash" issue.

A second problem with liz is... her rejecting the MC when he was short, skinny, and small dicked.
I don't have a problem with that either.
It is perfectly reasonable that she didn't find you sexually attractive when you were a 3/10 and she was a 10/10.
now that you are tall, swole, and hung she is sexually attracted to you.
Makes sense.

But then there is a third issue with Liz...
you also get told about her huge body count.
That... is pretty unappealing. Just feels gross.
Very unrealistically, she reached her "ready to settle down" stage at age 20 instead of age 40.
Which... does make it better. But it is still an issue.

Personally, with Liz, I think only issue 3 is really a problem.
Bruh, you expected anything else from a woman who barely cares anything and anyone that's not her sister? Just like the roofie beer scene, where she had lackadaisical attitude despite almost getting drugged and raped even in the romance route, the girl won't even care if she got tricked into a gangbang.
 

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Each mc evolution followed a certain pattern with 4 major fights

1- a first confrontation with the opponent that would later trigger the evolution, which mc didn't win (defeat against Klauss and draw against Deryl)

2- an opponent of a similar level to mc who poses a direct threat to the lives of his friends (Kenny and Jake)

3- an opponent more powerful than mc but with whom he has a good matchup (Danica and Valravn)

4- the rematch against the opponent mc couldn't beat with a win and his evolution

if you look at it this way, Cole fits more into the 2nd category because his power is compared to Met, who himself was able to matchup against Evander (whom Met suspects didn't give his all), and when Mc confronted Cole after his evolution, the 3rd and 4th Apostle were already confident that Mc could beat him.
and he's also into a kind of one-sided rivalry like Jake.

Of course we have to take in acount that mc was still freshly evolved but he is clearly progressing faster than Cole and he also has is training with Syla so they should be relatively close (especialy since Cole got himself a new weapon ).
So with that + the fact that it evolved not so long ago , mc evolving seem unlikely and it would be more likely to happen during a rematch against the moon's twin.
I agree with all of this with the exception that the evo fight will almost certainly be against Shen instead of the Twins, as it is pretty abundantly clear that without his interference MC would've eventually been able to overpower the two of them.
 

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Crazy part that hentai literally translates to perverted or pervert. What the dude tried to argue was most likely the ecchi, which is just some erotic elements. Hentai is literally porn. On that side note I hope that we will got more deranged content in the future, with the MC becoming more and more evil if the player chooses so. Was a really cool experience how nodeem portant sucked some thugs brain out.
 
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I agree with all of this with the exception that the evo fight will almost certainly be against Shen instead of the Twins, as it is pretty abundantly clear that without his interference MC would've eventually been able to overpower the two of them.
He would fit more the 3rd category, Shen is level 4 when mc is level 3 on the contrary of the twins who are bot level 3, and it was said that mc have now a way to counter Shen power , which give mc a good matchup despise the disadvantage in raw power. (+ mc tentacles preventing him to stay in Shen fantasy for more than a few second)

mc also have a bad matchup against all the opponent he evolved against (both offensively and defensively),

- Klauss barrier and plasma who where a real problem for mc to overcome, and his plasma also where a problem for mc shapeshifting, since mc had a hard time changing form when he was touched by Kaluss plasma.

-Deryl chimera with all is heads created to counter mc (lightning,fire,plasma) and was a pain to hit directly.

-Evander and is blue skin cause problem to mc both offensivly and defensively since mc cant protect himself efficiently or causing significant dammage (if at all) to Evander.
 
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harem.king

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Bruh, you expected anything else from a woman who barely cares anything and anyone that's not her sister? Just like the roofie beer scene, where she had lackadaisical attitude despite almost getting drugged and raped even in the romance route, the girl won't even care if she got tricked into a gangbang.
I described my take on her.
Why are you twisting it into "you expected"?
Expectations are irrelevant here. Only thing that matters is what she is, and how attractive or unattractive it is.
 

Dipasimaan

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We will see, but If you ask me Its more likely to happen facts.
1.Mc had a huge amount of emotions right now.
2.Mc already master his body which means his body itself Is strong enough to survive evolution.
3.Also the thing Is even Ella told such a massive emotions can trigger evolution.
4.Mc evolution whatever he like or not may awakening which mean he dont need to full understand or train the mind.
5.Even If he train It no one say he will know how to trigger evolution Its random, and Its very likely that this happen now when he had a massive stimulations to trigger It now.
6.Lets not forget about mc orgin, Its already aware of mc and It know that mc are his best chances to be born whatever this mean.
7.Mc are somehow "special" even Valaran?(the raven monster) lord (god) talks direct towards mc In the dream stage and Its very unlikely as for such a evil old god speak himself to just anybody which I assume he may some how like or had connection towards mc god, which I assume they more evil than good and thats mean when mc gose berserker next update I wont belive the orgin itself wont notice It and push mc towards evolution.
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SquallofNight

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I had even forgot about it. If I trust anyone in this VN has to be the shopkeeper. The twins are going to survive.
Shopkeep was one of the most popular arguments for the previous cliffhanger. He should be renamed "The Hopebringer".
I can't meme for shit, someone with talent can pls make the Gigachad meme w/Shopkeep face and the frase: "When shit's looking grim, trust in him!"? :Kappa:
 

Dipasimaan

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optional NTR in 99%+ of games means the dev rewrote a waifu into a whore on a leash.
If you ever falter in keeping her on a short leash, she will cuck you.
In this game the NTR route is handled very differently.

She literally asks you to come ward off this person who is trying to coerce her into sex (by threatening her sister).
And you have to first agree, and then actively decide that instead of doing as you promised, you are going to backstab her and peep. This is 100% on you. She is not the whore on a leash, you are the cuck who pushed her to it.
And then as a cherry on top, if you reject the NTR route you end up killing him and his buddies after he kidnaps her.

I hate the NTR route mind you. But I don't hate the character nor the game.
Because this was done intelligently, without ruining her via the "whore on a leash" issue.

A second problem with liz is... her rejecting the MC when he was short, skinny, and small dicked.
I don't have a problem with that either.
It is perfectly reasonable that she didn't find you sexually attractive when you were a 3/10 and she was a 10/10.
now that you are tall, swole, and hung she is sexually attracted to you.
Makes sense.

But then there is a third issue with Liz...
you also get told about her huge body count.
That... is pretty unappealing. Just feels gross.
Very unrealistically, she reached her "ready to settle down" stage at age 20 instead of age 40.
Which... does make it better. But it is still an issue.

Personally, with Liz, I think only issue 3 is really a problem.
Damn bro a little insecure, are we?
 

Dipasimaan

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1. Literally a few lines afterwards it says

This is obviously a joke, as it is slotted after that previous empty explanation.
Clearly not me dreaming it. but rather me forgetting that this was a joke.

2. She says "because you are empty like me I can't be your girlfriend". but then she goes on dating every chad in school. so it feels a bit insincere

3. That flashback explains it. But then her actual romance arc is that she basically falls in love with your giant cock and huge muscles now that you are hot and make her feel good. rather than your personality.
I get that this is meant to appeal to the male fantasy. And it does, it is totally fucking hot to break Liz on your cock. To overcome her apathy and lack of feelings. But at the same time it undermines her narrative a bit.
Not a deal breaker for me. But I can understand how it might turn some people off.
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Since this will be something so relevant next update, regarding both Cole vs Mc fight and possible evolutions:

1. As i said before this seems a perfect spot for Cole to evolve, not just his evolution has been foreshadowed a lot but also the situation seems to be that he will have to fight alone at least against Mc and Deryl, Michael and Alice can be easily healed by both to join the fight and possibly if Liz/Amber evolve they can join too, so from best to worst situation for Cole he will need to fight alone against two lvl 3 up to four lvl 3 and two lvl 2, not the best odds.

2. If SIN members interfere we need to consider how it could happen, right now i doubt that Shen or Charlie would bother helping Cole, Jared might be close to him but i doubt he would dare or even care to try, Zara seems to like him and Briar is very forgiving so those two are a possibility. Zara has the marks but we don't know how useful her powers are in a fight, Briar however can heal and would whitout a doubt be useful.

3. if i had to guess either Cole will fight alone, be overwhelmed and need to evolve or Zara/Briar will return and try to help in a more supporting role, maybe even be forced on that role because Cole is a bitch and would refuse more direct help as the condescending arrogant asshole he is.

4. Since you guys are bringing up monsterfication that's interesting, i don't think will be the case for Cole but i though about a possibility, what if Cole while losing the fight tries so hard to evolve that he starts to monsterfy and accepts to take a vow from Charlie like Shen did to evolve properly, it would be a good humbling experience for this prick.

5. As for Mc i really do think that it's too soon for him to evolve no matter how the fight happens, he just got acess to the other world and has a lot of development and training on the memory field, i expect at least two more updates and then maybe he evolves at the end of the third, next update will be the end of the twins arc and the following i suppose Ella's return.
 

kibaris

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Since this will be something so relevant next update, regarding both Cole vs Mc fight and possible evolutions:

1. As i said before this seems a perfect spot for Cole to evolve, not just his evolution has been foreshadowed a lot but also the situation seems to be that he will have to fight alone at least against Mc and Deryl, Michael and Alice can be easily healed by both to join the fight and possibly if Liz/Amber evolve they can join too, so from best to worst situation for Cole he will need to fight alone against two lvl 3 up to four lvl 3 and two lvl 2, not the best odds.

2. If SIN members interfere we need to consider how it could happen, right now i doubt that Shen or Charlie would bother helping Cole, Jared might be close to him but i doubt he would dare or even care to try, Zara seems to like him and Briar is very forgiving so those two are a possibility. Zara has the marks but we don't know how useful her powers are in a fight, Briar however can heal and would whitout a doubt be useful.

3. if i had to guess either Cole will fight alone, be overwhelmed and need to evolve or Zara/Briar will return and try to help in a more supporting role, maybe even be forced on that role because Cole is a bitch and would refuse more direct help as the condescending arrogant asshole he is.

4. Since you guys are bringing up monsterfication that's interesting, i don't think will be the case for Cole but i though about a possibility, what if Cole while losing the fight tries so hard to evolve that he starts to monsterfy and accepts to take a vow from Charlie like Shen did to evolve properly, it would be a good humbling experience for this prick.

5. As for Mc i really do think that it's too soon for him to evolve no matter how the fight happens, he just got acess to the other world and has a lot of development and training on the memory field, i expect at least two more updates and then maybe he evolves at the end of the third, next update will be the end of the twins arc and the following i suppose Ella's return.

I don't see Cole's evolution as foreshadowed, but more as a way of showing us how full of himself he is, because beside is own words nothing proove that he's close, it's more is pride talking. And since then (it was before Valravn fight so a long time already), he still a level 3 weaker or close to mc who is a newborn level 3.

Also, the biggest problem with all the theory implying Cole evolution (mine included), is that he would become too powerfull to be handled by mc alone.
So it would be more likely that either both of them evolve, or none .

Alice and Michael even if healed are no match for Cole, Cole power is compared to Met and the only reason Michael could put a fight with Met was because he could absorb Energy ( and they still are affected by the drug since Michael could only use the little he absorbed on some corps) and Deryl will likely help to evacuate both of them and also Liz and Amber body , and don't forget that a lot of monster are left in Sin base (and whe know of some B and C rank who wont be so easy to handle for them )

For the others kids , it would be difficult since they both have leaved already but since Briar was keeping an eye on Cole and Shen when they where talking, it's possible that he could have asked Hex to bring him back and maybe that he could even heal Amber after seeing what Tanos did to her and also seeing who Cole realy is from is own eyes.

Also, in the mental state mc is, i doubt that he would let anyone inferfering in this fight and if the fight isn't interupted maybe both him and Cole will die since it's only a matter of time for hex's dimension to fall ( their fight could even speeding up the process since Hex is wounded and the dimension is unstable) , and this could be the moment for the Nyx brand to come in handy.

I doubt mc was given one for no reason, and Mc didnt even notice the eartquake once he saw Cole with Liz's head so they will likely fight until the other is dead, but by then it would be too late for mc to escape and would be resurected by Nyx.
 
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JackDiabrew

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i got some music for you guys to feed your rage if you want i wont link but here are the names

SWARM - The End of All Things
SWARM - Say Goodbye
SWARN - Consumed
SWARM - No Salvation
Won't lie all those song names are pretty fitting for coles fate in the next update, I do find it interesting so before this update idk how many of you really were looking forward to fighting Cole but I wasn't worried about him he wasn't even a blip on my radar now shen was a different story along with fighting jared with his "bolt that can kill a level 5". So before this update I was just planning on genderbending his ass if that was an option now replaying the update twice, I wanna kill him but I don't it to be a fast death like with Danica or Jake I wanna savor the meal.
 

KKStrider

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A Level 4 Cole or an A rank Variant monster Cole isn't fightable, the MC and Deryl would likely get mutilated. Trying to brawl with a Level 4 that directly counters your powers in their evolution trance swinging a weapon build via the Creation trait is a terrible plan, and so is throwing hands with an A rank monster that directly counters your powers and has a mutation completely unique to it. The MC took 3 hours to chip damage a severely wounded Asura to death and barely scratched Shen despite him not even being a physically inclined superhuman, he ain't doing jack to anything of that much power.

A Level 3 Cole is still enough for a spectacle though. He's fresh and a direct counter to the MC's regeneration, but is wielding a weapon that may or may not be complete. The MC on the other hand has just gotten out of being pumped to the high heavens with drugs, but has a major boost in Monster Power and will soon be getting backup from a Deryl that's sure to be vengeful and just perfected his Philosopher's stone. Both of them have pre-established strong emotional ties to a respective twin, regardless of how you play. Cole may be the eldest Level 3 of them with the most experience, but he's going to be getting jumped by two men on a mission to commit the most body horror possible to him.
 
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