necromater

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Michael is a warrior that mean he has honor he will whiteglove us or more likely as most people said mind fuckery.
 

DrakoGhoul

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I think I'm suffering from withdrawals now. I haven't played the game in days and I already want to play that Valravn fight again. The urge just keeps growing as I talk about the game. I can only imagine how bigger the fights are going to get now.

After the MC fought Klaus, the fights were more tamed and grounded, in my opinion. The Jake fight was understandable with his power set(minus the 1st dragging us into his plane) but the Minyak and Deryl fights weren't really as good as Klaus fights. Once that Michael vs Lightning Monster fight happened though, it ramped back up and that Valravn fight blew Klaus's fight out of the water. When I have time, I should list my favorite fights while I'm at it. Also, Ella vs Clark and Alexis fight were great too, especially their fight in the park.

I'm still waiting for a monster fight that's filled with complete despair and terror that it sends the MC spiralling deep into corruption. Something that can't be overcome without tapping into more of the primal/instinctual parts of himself. The encounter with the 1st Numbered was that but we couldn't fight that thing. That's the kind of fight I'm hoping we have down the line.
 

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Michael sees the MC too much as a brother to the point where he even asks the opnion of the MC if he should take the pill or not, i wouldn't go as far to say that he sees the MC as a role model, but its something weirdly familiar to that...
Plus Michael has seen how strong the MC really is even when fighting enemies stronger than him and he knows that in an all out fight, he would have absolutely no chance against the MC...
Plus i don't think he would become a monster because Michael has way too much focus and drive for that.
At least that is the impression i got.
Mentorship. They each mentor the other in fields that they have more experience in.
What can Michael's monster control? And what was the protag's weakness again? I forget...
 

RonaldGrand6969

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Why in God's green earth does everyone think Michael is going to betray the MC, he's one of the only helpful characters.

-Jake: Gets a taste of power and never thinks for himself anymore; betrays.

-Klaus: Gets a taste for power; abandons his life long friends; betrays.

-Deryl: Gets mega horny, a taste for power, and jealous of the MC's power; betrays.

Michael has quite literally only ever been shown to be loyal and collected.

-He helps us against Klaus (he's not obligated to be loyal to Alice's family anymore considering how weak it was; which is against his policy to begin with)

-He warns the MC about joining the business, and while some might say it's because he was grooming us; he does so several times even after we've proven ourselves.

-He relies on our answer about the pills.

-He helps Mia with training when he doesn't have to.

If he was as evil as y'all seem to make him out to be, he wouldn't even have helped Alice and instead joined the stronger side, which was Klaus's at the time. Can't remember if we told him about H.E.R.O ahead of time, but if we did; he still didn't reach out to them to gain more power like our "friends" I mentioned above. He's one of the best most consistent characters, cut him some slack.

That all being said, he would still make a bad ass fight eventually.
 

necromater

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Why in God's green earth does everyone think Michael is going to betray the MC, he's one of the only helpful characters.

-Jake: Gets a taste of power and never thinks for himself anymore; betrays.

-Klaus: Gets a taste for power; abandons his life long friends; betrays.

-Deryl: Gets mega horny, a taste for power, and jealous of the MC's power; betrays.

Michael has quite literally only ever been shown to be loyal and collected.

-He helps us against Klaus (he's not obligated to be loyal to Alice's family anymore considering how weak it was; which is against his policy to begin with)

-He warns the MC about joining the business, and while some might say it's because he was grooming us; he does so several times even after we've proven ourselves.

-He relies on our answer about the pills.

-He helps Mia with training when he doesn't have to.

If he was as evil as y'all seem to make him out to be, he wouldn't even have helped Alice and instead joined the stronger side, which was Klaus's at the time. Can't remember if we told him about H.E.R.O ahead of time, but if we did; he still didn't reach out to them to gain more power like our "friends" I mentioned above. He's one of the best most consistent characters, cut him some slack.

That all being said, he would still make a bad ass fight eventually.
is not betrayal is more like the battlemonger part of Him to become stronger and now since he talks about the death of one of his little brothers as they said mentoring, because now he can go boss raid with the crew. monster hunter style.
 

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Discussion time, because I missed it when the 3rd and 4th was the topic. I have another one for later that involves the potential that the Black Sea stuff for the Minyaks could be related to the "Bride", or maybe Queen is appropriate, of the Monster King/Lord/God.

I've said it previously but the 3rd and 4th are most likely twins that came into existence at the same time. Technically, all of the Numbered are siblings, since they are born from parts of a greater monster, but the 3rd and 4th are the only currently known numbered that share the same abilities. This is also while being specialists in the trait that they're based on.

There's plenty of thoughts for what their goal is. On Corruption, it seems to be absolute power. On normal playthroughs, I'm not sure. I have a theory about it that I'll share though.

The theory being they want the MC to be a sort of container/balance for them so they can combine with him. He's the only one that's shown to house both their abilities(which would explain why Ella isn't perfect for them since she doesn't have the Memory abilities). Using the MC, they could be trying to join together to form a new aberrant monster that could then go around consuming the other Numbered and their traits. Something which they probably can't do without losing their own identities to the Lord while separate. This would also explain why the Glowing Eye Monster killed the 4th, since it's the lesser form of the original king/lord monster they all split from. This is still an assumption by me.



TL;DR - The 3rd and/or 4th's goal could be to usurp the original monster's position by combining together with the MC. They could then use their new unified power to consume and absorb the other Numbered without still being apart of the Original King Monster.

Also, how crazy would it be if the Dead End Monster actually proxy controlled the 3rd there and turned it into itself when Ella brought us to the 4th? It is odd that we never see the 3rd even if we chose him as our parent. Only the 4th gets killed. Then again, it could've just killed the 3rd on the way there.

Anyway, that's one of my theories I've had about it. I probably posted something similar in the past but this one is updated with the current info we learned. This is also just a theory and there's probably holes in it and it will probably have even more when updates come out.
 

RogueEagle

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Why in God's green earth does everyone think Michael is going to betray the MC, he's one of the only helpful characters.

-Jake: Gets a taste of power and never thinks for himself anymore; betrays.

-Klaus: Gets a taste for power; abandons his life long friends; betrays.

-Deryl: Gets mega horny, a taste for power, and jealous of the MC's power; betrays.

Michael has quite literally only ever been shown to be loyal and collected.

-He helps us against Klaus (he's not obligated to be loyal to Alice's family anymore considering how weak it was; which is against his policy to begin with)

-He warns the MC about joining the business, and while some might say it's because he was grooming us; he does so several times even after we've proven ourselves.

-He relies on our answer about the pills.

-He helps Mia with training when he doesn't have to.

If he was as evil as y'all seem to make him out to be, he wouldn't even have helped Alice and instead joined the stronger side, which was Klaus's at the time. Can't remember if we told him about H.E.R.O ahead of time, but if we did; he still didn't reach out to them to gain more power like our "friends" I mentioned above. He's one of the best most consistent characters, cut him some slack.

That all being said, he would still make a bad ass fight eventually.
Jake is gullible.
Klaus had low self-esteem before he got the powers, meaning he becomes a douche that thinks he can have Alice by force.
In the case of Daryl its more about him being mind controled, otherwise he would have stayed the same loyal friend except for the boost in confidence(because their bond is through rivalry).
Michael is the equivalent of an honorable knight, if he was about to change sides he would tell it to our faces.
 
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RogueEagle

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Discussion time, because I missed it when the 3rd and 4th was the topic. I have another one for later that involves the potential that the Black Sea stuff for the Minyaks could be related to the "Bride", or maybe Queen is appropriate, of the Monster King/Lord/God.

I've said it previously but the 3rd and 4th are most likely twins that came into existence at the same time. Technically, all of the Numbered are siblings, since they are born from parts of a greater monster, but the 3rd and 4th are the only currently known numbered that share the same abilities. This is also while being specialists in the trait that they're based on.

There's plenty of thoughts for what their goal is. On Corruption, it seems to be absolute power. On normal playthroughs, I'm not sure. I have a theory about it that I'll share though.

The theory being they want the MC to be a sort of container/balance for them so they can combine with him. He's the only one that's shown to house both their abilities(which would explain why Ella isn't perfect for them since she doesn't have the Memory abilities). Using the MC, they could be trying to join together to form a new aberrant monster that could then go around consuming the other Numbered and their traits. Something which they probably can't do without losing their own identities to the Lord while separate. This would also explain why the Glowing Eye Monster killed the 4th, since it's the lesser form of the original king/lord monster they all split from. This is still an assumption by me.



TL;DR - The 3rd and/or 4th's goal could be to usurp the original monster's position by combining together with the MC. They could then use their new unified power to consume and absorb the other Numbered without still being apart of the Original King Monster.

Also, how crazy would it be if the Dead End Monster actually proxy controlled the 3rd there and turned it into itself when Ella brought us to the 4th? It is odd that we never see the 3rd even if we chose him as our parent. Only the 4th gets killed. Then again, it could've just killed the 3rd on the way there.

Anyway, that's one of my theories I've had about it. I probably posted something similar in the past but this one is updated with the current info we learned. This is also just a theory and there's probably holes in it and it will probably have even more when updates come out.
Same, i feel like the MC is the "chosen one" because of his mix of powers and the fact that his monster form is perfect and he can come back from a monster transformation by himself due to his memory absorption powers.
 

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I'm more of a fan of the originals, as I always will be. That being said; the only one I really like is the one where Michael is wearing the mask.
Meh Michael needs his scars the pretty boy style soft him up. and ella well fuck her the problem is personality not looks.
 

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necromater

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Really nice, but unfortunately the original has its own charm, its like if your favorite type of woman is a pornstar, they can show you a far more gorgeous woman and you will still find that pornstar more attractive.
Bro the Kinks hit hard so yes everyone get their favorite flavour most of the time.
 
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I never imagined I would ever write a post, but I really like this game I played this update normally no problem until the Valravn fight what Cop 3 said confused me then I found out about universal ren'py mod which allowed me to see the different paths, and now I know why I wonder if someone can report to weirdworld that the path is wrong here I hope I can post the pictures.
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I'm pretty sure Amber and Liz are primarily there for the swimming scholarship.
From what we know, Amber had applied to the school first, and not on swimming scholarship, so i don't think it makes any sense to presume swimming was her goal. She certainly never attempts to get swimming scholarship for herself. Liz has followed Amber, and she did it by acquiring the swimming scholarship, but it was her mother's idea she simply humored, because she thought it'd give her opportunity of doing two things she enjoyed, swimming with Amber and training. Neither of the girls has any actual interest in making swimming their career.

Maybe not Amber on paper, but what else is she going to do? It's not that she HAS to do swimming, it's that it's ludicrous NOT to give an opportunity to her AND her sister to be in a special situation for a POTENTIAL swimming career.
There's nothing ludicrous in not wasting time on a thing that gets in the way of things they're actually interested in, and little sense in aiming for a potential career neither of them wants that's going to be over in a few years. They can instead spend this time learning and honing the skills to get good jobs with long-term prospects that they might actually want, after their education is complete.

"But they can quit anytime if they want". Sure, and will your MC kill Erik the moment they do, or does Erik effectively get out of this whole ordeal not just scot-free, but with all profits from his sponsorship he'll make down the road? Because that's effectively what MC's "blackmail" gets him. Oh, he won't be able to rape two girls he's sponsoring, that he wanted to rape. What a terrible and just punishment. That will sure teach him.

I feel there is a reason our first individual meeting with Liz is when she's swimming, lazy as she, if there is one thing she can "tolerate" it's swimming. And Amber towards the end of their arc was very happy competing against Liz in a friendly manner, why not do that swimming rather than flipping burgers at a fast food chain?
Liz names few other things she'd be fine doing instead of swimming in her epilogue. And what makes you think there's any need for anyone to flip burgers if the sisters don't get into professional swimming? Amber has her regular, full scholarship and Liz is more than capable of acquiring/maintaining one as well, between being the higher achiever of the two and MC's ability to blackmail the dean.

If you mean flipping burgers as something to do after their studies are finished, then i'd really have to wonder what makes you think that a graduate of the most famous university in the world, which is said to pretty much guarantee these who complete it excellent jobs, is going to wind up flipping burgers. Perhaps because it's quite harder to sell swimming as viable career when the alternative isn't flipping burgers but top positions in R&D, business or other respectable fields?

And with the way Lucy didn't want to lose the job when she met us as our Hero Form; you REALLY think she made up a sob story to defend E.R.I.K?
I really think it's quite likely she's never looked all that hard for possible alternatives. Because why would she, as long as she was already getting the money she needed? So she wouldn't have to turn blind eye on her boss being a rapist and murderer? That ship has already sailed.

And I feel like you didn't even read what I said about the cancer treatment. Give everything I literally just said, he was paying for it, that's how blackmail works. You don't suck dicks you don't like for no goddamned reason.
Plenty of secretaries suck dicks of bosses they don't like, simply to keep their jobs, not because they have dying children. It doesn't even mean they get paid any extra for it, just that they keep the job and get paid at all.

It's a simple scenario: Lucy gets a work as Erik's secretary. It's relatively well-paid job (he is a CEO) so she's happy with it. Then after a while Erik tells her she either provides him with sexual favors or he fires her. Perhaps because he knows about Lucy's daughter and that Lucy is in a hard spot. And Lucy figures she'd rather suck that dick and keep her job than spend weeks or months without income, trying to find another work that'd pay her similarly well.

What universe are you living on, where even INSURANCE let alone a secretary position pays for cancer medical treatment in one of the most expensive regions? Unless she's working for Elon Musk personally, or shining Jeff Bezos's shoes, even then she's not going to have the pay to upkeep on cancer treatment, that's not how secretary pay works.
It may shock you to hear this, but cancer treatment on this very planet, in this very age, is performed free of charge in public hospitals in EU and other civilized places. That's what universal healthcare gets you. So that's kinda why i can't help but roll my eyes at this supposedly unsurmountable task poor Lucy is facing in the world which has advanced far beyond ours and which supposedly puts extra effort in equal treatment of all its citizens.
 

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I'm more of a fan of the originals, as I always will be. That being said; the only one I really like is the one where Michael is wearing the mask.
I understand, I'm still learning, at first I tried to use the function to create images more similar to the originals, but they always generated terrible results, besides the promp not obeying exactly what you wanted, several times I used it to generate Michael's scar, makeup from Ella, but it just didn't happen, besides the deformities sometimes, so I decided to do it more like anime style
 
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