VN Ren'Py Superhuman [v0.991] [WeirdWorld]

[vogelbeest]

Hmm... even on curruption path i did not kill demi... So far her power doesn't seem that useful, people liking you is okay, but being a stalker magnet just seems annoying... You don't even get +1 power for killing her so why even bother...
Jake, Danica, Kenny, Baily and the Milkmonster might give new powers in the future, Demi alive might still give boosts to public/government... I don't see Danica or Jake being very useful if left alive, perhaps some romance path for Danica...

Either way it's unlikely any of the persons you can eat will have major roles in the story in the future. It could be some might give you powers you otherwise get from the shop eye, it's not clear what the eye does now anyway...

 

[vogelbeest]

- Corruption vs willpower will be the paths laid before us, there is no good or evil path, corruption is not evil and willpower is wont be good.
I think Ella went the corruption path and (original) Deryl probably went the willpower path

Either you are corrupted or not, willpower is never a choice or variable. However "moral" is, but you can have high or low moral no matter how corrupted you are... Effectively the 2 main paths are corruption/power versus skill/no corruption.
Your moral stat represents if you are good or evil.... Corruption represents (inner) monster influence on you... (or you on them, with enough corruption you can submit the Minyak and understand more of your monster parents language)

The other variables are public and government, but even those can (both) be high with a decent level of corruption...
It's easier to have them high on the non corruption path, corruption choices often result in gov/publ opinion dropping

No way to tell what Ella or Deryl's paths are but based on their actions there is no way either of them has zero corruption.
Deryl is monsterfied (a possible side effect of high corruption) and Ella kills too easy and often, however when she finds the heart she mentions "not wanting to get corrupted too soon"...

As for the third evolution being different, i guess we might get some powers/abilities based on the characters we've eaten or even just based on our corruption. On the zero corruption path we could gain these abilities from the shop eye (memories of a monster) without branches being too different to avoid extra work. That's why i also do not expect there will be separate SIN and HERO paths... In the story it really doesn't make a difference if you get fucked over by SIN, by Ella or by Hero...

You need to get stronger and you need to survive. We know the monsters all have their own goals and reasons, they even have enemies between them... We know their lords still need to arrive, so no matter how strong the numbered monsters are, it's very likely the lords are much stronger.... It's not unlikely in the end everybody will need to fight these lords.... (except whoever you've eaten lol)

 

[necromater]

Michael Vs MC is gonna be just a kenpachi shit like i do not need a reason i just love power and to test that power in battle. and demi power is really more like to create a cult or a church she kinda already did it with the fanclub and the gospel of gay monster porn

 

[PerpetuallyAmiss]

I feel like Del could be a Deryl clone. We never see his face or even his skin, when he first gets in a fight with deryl he forfeits instantly, he can create shit from his body, and he seems keen on Charlie who's protecting the OG Deryl. The how and why are up in the air of course but it fits.

 

[jthunderk89]

ya'll, I couldn't kill demi even on my corrupt playthrough. They're a great ally, like just my own little worshipper whose power can basically get me more worshippers to provide protection from government attacks? It's worth sparring one brainwashed human's life (who wasn't even a threat to me). And while harem building isn't my first priority, already being a part of it does help.

 

[xhib]

You ever get the feeling Deus is fucking with us?

I just found Langdon's assistant again. Remember the pink blob monster? She's the girl we rescued while out on a mission with Del.

If you act early, she doesn't appear. If you wait, you gain 50 public opinion. That's more than you can get from your first interview. She was the only witness to that attack. So, why so much?

Well, there's a reporter who looks a lot like her at Tiffany's wedding. If we just saved a journalist's sister, that would explain the good PR. Who predicted the monster attack? Deus did.

 

[necromater]

You ever get the feeling Deus is fucking with us?

I just found Langdon's assistant again. Remember the pink blob monster? She's the girl we rescued while out on a mission with Del.

If you act early, she doesn't appear. If you wait, you gain 50 public opinion. That's more than you can get from your first interview. She was the only witness to that attack. So, why so much?

Well, there's a reporter who looks a lot like her at Tiffany's wedding. If we just saved a journalist's sister, that would explain the good PR. Who predicted the monster attack? Deus did.

Every fucking prick and cunt in this game is fucking with us so yes lets just roll with it.

 

[DrakoGhoul]

You ever get the feeling Deus is fucking with us?

I just found Langdon's assistant again. Remember the pink blob monster? She's the girl we rescued while out on a mission with Del.

If you act early, she doesn't appear. If you wait, you gain 50 public opinion. That's more than you can get from your first interview. She was the only witness to that attack. So, why so much?

Well, there's a reporter who looks a lot like her at Tiffany's wedding. If we just saved a journalist's sister, that would explain the good PR. Who predicted the monster attack? Deus did.

When it comes to Deus, no. He's motivated by whatever future he saw and wants to make sure that version happens, as far as we can tell. He most likely won't deviate from that path. We already know this because he told the MC he lets Ella roam because he needs her to achieve certain things. In that same path, the MC must play an important role.

What I mean by that is, take Valravn's heart as an example. This is speculation but Deus gave it to him right before the MC gets taken to Hero so that the MC would be able to gain more when joining. The MC was already going to join so why would Deus go out his way to manipulate the events further? Probably because he knew the MC wouldn't gain as much importance or certain resources from HERO otherwise for his needed future growth.

All that said, I don't think Deus is on our side but I also don't think he's plotting our downfall. The MC is most likely a key piece for all the events to occur. He's giving everyone a "push" in certain directions but we know he's altering timeline stuff(maybe Zack had the events charted out for what's supposed to happen) to accommodate the MC along the way.

All that above is my view on Deus. I think he's mostly neutral on everything unless it's important for the future.

 

[5k1n3xt]

I feel like Del could be a Deryl clone. We never see his face or even his skin, when he first gets in a fight with deryl he forfeits instantly, he can create shit from his body, and he seems keen on Charlie who's protecting the OG Deryl. The how and why are up in the air of course but it fits.

I wouldn't like for Del to be Deryl, mainly because it doesn't fit in the timeline given as far as I'm aware, unless Deryl lied to us before turning into a monster which would just be really low of him, like, come on man, I thought we were friends, but you even lied after that fight and having remembered the reason why we are supposed to be friends on the first place?

However, I think it is in fact Deryl because of his dialogues (Which COULD just be red herrings, but still), for example:

-When we go on a mission with him for the first time he says that he always wanted to go to R&X and that he has a feeling he was good in school.
-If we refuse to go on that mission with him he says: "I probably have enough saved up for one fight." (Could be his gasoline, but it could also be Deryl's Golden substance, I mean, the Deryl clone we now doesn't have to save up his golden substance, but maybe because Del is still connected to monster Deryl he does?).
-On that mission he mentions how he knows about Mia, and I don't buy that he just heard it from some random people.
-When returning from the mission he specifically mentions how he shudders when thinking about becoming a monster as an excuse for him not taking of the helmet, and when we say he won't he goes: "Yeah.... maybe.".
-He also says: "I hear some of the rougher evolutions can result in temporary memory loss.", and we respond with : "I'd rather that then becoming a monster.", which makes him go: "Yeah, that's for sure..." (Side note, hope we don't lose our memories when we reach 3rd evo).
-When we return to H.E.R.O's base he also says "I guess I shouldn't be surprised that we get along.".

And that's 6 instances of sus behaviour in only one event, of course there's a bit more tho:

-When we find him and Laurie coming back from a mission after having met them the day before they talk about the importance of the helmets to which Laurie says that it's safer to just wear them rather than chance being corrupted, to which Del replies: "....I agree. It's a terrifying thing, the idea that you might lose your mind.".
-When giving us a tour of the base he mentions that Xanthe is his inspitarion, and if I recall correctly Deryl also said a similar thing a while back.
-When we go to the interview with Del and Laurie and the reporters harass us at the entrance he says : "Just pisses me a bunch of random reporters think they can push me around just cause I look like a kid." (Look like instead of am?)

So yeah, if you look at him with him being Deryl's clone in mind the thing he says, his name and his personality in general do fit. And that's why I think he will end up being a clone after all, even though I don't think it makes too much sense from a logical point of view or even timeline wise. Idk, I might be missing something that makes it so him being Deryl makes complete sense, or maybe IT IS all a red herring and WW is gonna take him in a totally different path that makes him a more relevant character in the future of the story.

 

[necromater]

Maybe he is a prototype i mean just get the clones working right of the bat is hard.

 

[vogelbeest]

I wouldn't like for Del to be Deryl, mainly because it doesn't fit in the timeline given as far as I'm aware,

The timeline is not the problem. There's been time skips in the story. When Ella finds the heart of the monster that birthed Goliath (the heart did lol, it wasn't even the complete monster) she says they've already been in that mine for 2 months.
In the story that happens same day you beat Jake... (in the game you're on day 61 for both scenes)

More important is what Deryl tells you when he joins the fight between Jake and you. He tells the Deryl in Alice's basement is a clone, same as he (the Deryl fighting) and that he has been working on a third... That one isn't finished at that time...
However you beat (or get beaten by) the original Deryl short after Jake's fight. This ends with Deryl evolving, monsterfying and fleeing to Ella's cave base. So there is another Deryl Clone, we just don't know if it's finished yet...

Del being afraid to monsterfy could have been caused by him seeing the monsterfied Deryl in the cave base...
He's also scared shitless for Bramon Xanthe (known for cutting up monsters for science)... It could fit the theory...
But why would it be important that Del is another Deryl clone?

Del could be the fourth of the original orphans and still fulfil any role he has now... (or any orphan really, it doesn't matter)
The third (unfinished) Deryl clone could be used to give original Deryl a normal body again.... Somehow Del doesn't seem to be a good alternative to R&X Deryl's body... And we can advise Deryl to rejoin, coexcist with or kill the original...
Fair is fair, it would be funny having the original Deryl running around in kid form when his coexisting clone is an adult...

Original Deryl's evolution resulting in forming 4 heads with a level of autonomy, even for R&X Deryl and the third clone, seems a plausible explanation. It would also explain why original Deryl is level 2, while the clone is level 1.... (and Del too)
But currently i don't see any obvious reasons for the story to depend on Del being Deryl's clone...
Personally i don't think Del is Deryl's clone, but it's not impossible either....

 

[alkeera]

What if Del is the original Deryl with his child body morphed by Ella and his memory loss was caused by Charlie's taboo?

 

[vogelbeest]

What if Del is the original Deryl with his child body morphed by Ella and his memory loss was caused by Charlie's taboo?

That would be a very complicated theory to make plausible.
More important.... Why? What is the importance of Del being Deryl, a Deryl clone or just another orphan?
We don't know enough of Charlie's or Zara's powers to conclude they can wipe memories, we only know they both seem to have mental powers, just like Jake, but we do know Jake is able to make people forget... (as he ordered Laurie to do)

Even if Ella could morph Deryl to the form of his younger self, it's still unclear why? Just to spy? And how could the clone evolve and leave the original at level 1? That really needs more explanation to make sense...

 

[necromater]

This crap is like the Saw movies i hope the Twist is like the first ones because from the third and Beyond sucked spiral almost did it but it was clear as day it was the cop.

 

[5k1n3xt]

The timeline is not the problem.

Deryl said himself that he couldn't control more than one clone at the same time on his first evo, so the time before he goes monster doesn't count (Again, that's assuming he wasn't lying, but him lying right there would easily be the biggest dick move of the whole story), after Deryl turns into a monster 2 months pass, then 1 week until they go to the mall and MC's identity is leaked, and 1 week until he joins H.E.R.O, when MC joins H.E.R.O Del has already supposedly been there for a few months, and idk you, but I don't think 2 months and a half count as a few, at most it's a couple, and as I said in a previous comment, that's assuming the first thing he did after turning into a monster was infiltrating H.E.R.O right away. Not to mention that Del says he leaked our identity "all those months ago", which would at least mean that Deryl leaked our identity when he was supposed to be our friend for no reason, and at most that there's another guy who leaked it before, maybe not even to the media, but to H.E.R.O even.

 

[necromater]

This crap is like the Saw movies i hope the Twist is like the first ones because from the third and Beyond sucked spiral almost did it but it was clear as day it was the cop.

I mean the Del debate.

 

[jthunderk89]

Every fucking prick and cunt in this game is fucking with us so yes lets just roll with it.

I came here for literal fucking with, not figurative fucking with /j
I don't actually get the fucking with us feeling from Deus. Maybe that's just because he's a lot less overt and direct about it than Ella though.

(Side note, hope we don't lose our memories when we reach 3rd evo).

We probably will temporarily, we already did it in our first and second evolutions. It took us awhile to remember the whole night before 1st evo and we didn't remember who anybody was during our second evo (tbh i'm kinda surprised we recognized Alice and Michael as allies).

 

[vogelbeest]

Deryl said himself that he couldn't control more than one clone at the same time on his first evo, so the time before he goes monster doesn't count (Again, that's assuming he wasn't lying, but him lying right there would easily be the biggest dick move of the whole story), after Deryl turns into a monster 2 months pass, then 1 week until they go to the mall and MC's identity is leaked, and 1 week until he joins H.E.R.O, when MC joins H.E.R.O Del has already supposedly beben there for a few months, and idk you, but I don't think 2 months and a half count as a few, at most it's a couple, and as I said in a previous comment, that's assuming the first thing he did after turning into a monster was infiltrating H.E.R.O right away. Not to mention that Del says he leaked our identity "all those months ago", which would at least mean that Deryl leaked our identity when he was supposed to be our friend for no reason, and at most that there's another guy who leaked it before, maybe not even to the media, but to H.E.R.O even.

A few means a small number, it could even mean "1 or 2".... (he has few friends/he has 1 or 2 friends)
It's not really a concrete measurement, it just means "a very low number of".
It doesn't say 3... So we can only judge if it could fit what Del says, and that it does...

Del does not actually say he was the one that leaked the identity, it could have been him or his group...
(And yeah, i think he probably did, but the text is not that straightforward it's set in stone... )
D "Yeah, it sure has.... But it's all worth it to have the two of you here."
D "It makes leaking your identity all those months ago totally worth it."

Ella gave the security tapes to Tiffany (first fight MC), Tiffany was found out when her tracker was found in the Minyak MC handed over to Clark. Tiffany even tells the MC "you will be brought into the fold" (you can ask how much time?)
MC wasn't sold out by Tiffany, you even spoke with Lochan Deus in the base.... MC and Tiff got busted, that's all....
Ella really seems to be the one leaking all the time.... It fits her plans anyway...

The actual leaking was before MC had to flee from the mall, he stays at Deryl's for some time, then has the party.
After that they are brought in by HERO. Near the end we talk with Xanthe about capturing Deryl.
Between Valravn and attacking Ella's base is minimal 6 weeks (month training and a couple of weeks)
"And we fought some more. Over and over again for the next month."
"Until our training and confinement within H.E.R.O ended..."
"And even another couple of weeks beyond then."

6 Weeks since joining HERO, 7 since the mall... Doesn't seem to fit "all those months ago" either...
So why would "a couple of months" Del been at hero be impossible to fit in between Deryl's evolution and meeting Del at HERO base? You say it's 2 months and a week before MC's identity is leaked... Del could have joined HERO short after the fight.

It's not really a matter of not being able to control more then 1 clone at the same time. R&X Deryl seems to be in full control of his actions, he is aware himself, perhaps original Deryl only shares a link on subconscious level after the evolution.
One is monsterfied and speaks Ru661zh (rubbish) the clone is exactly like the original in speech and behavior...
But there are no signs "clone Deryl" is ever controlled by original Deryl during all the time after the fight with MC.

The discussion was about whether it could be possible Del is Deryl's clone...
The timespan does not seem to be impossible for that theory...
If we see Michael saying "see you next month" to Alice with our conclusion that's when Michael gets his powers, then the timespan isn't big enough... But the text itself simply is not strict enough to make that conclusion...

Again, i don't think Del is another Deryl clone, i just haven't seen text concrete enough to prove it's impossible...

 

[necromater]

Soooo did we already talked why hero chicks dress like hookers? or we just gonna say because is a porn game?. Valid reason i know but lets say its not.

 

[5k1n3xt]

Again, i don't think Del is another Deryl clone, i just haven't seen text concrete enough to prove it's impossible...

I never said it's completely impossible for Del to be Deryl, I just think that it's too cramped of a time for Deryl to make his clone join H.E.R.O, when I say that the timeline is a problem it just means that to me it wouldn't make too much sense with the time given, not that it's 100% impossible for it to happen like that.