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Since we were on the topic of Ella and Nyx, I'm not sure if someone mentioned this, but I feel like an idiot for missing it and instead going on to speculate on the mechanics of Nyx's powers and how a dead shapeshifter should behave.

I thought that Ella dropping to her knees was a smokescreen. Ella knows how Nyx's powers work, so she baited her and somehow survived. But it's probably much simpler than that.

It was the moment Nyx marked Ella.

Ella probably understood what happened at this point since she is familiar with Nyx's monster and it's probably what she used on Christie and Emily, so it's possible that whatever split second decision she made was to her advantage. She could try to flee, or "fake" (not really) her death, trusting that this is not the end.

I never really paid much attention to the dialogue. The way this works is that Nyx just raises her hand and her target feels a heavy pain on his chest. She doesn't need to touch the target.

"Nyx raises her hand, and a burning sensation assaults my torso."
"Slowly, leaving a trail of bright green flame, a black mark is burned into my skin, a strange pattern, like a rune or a character from a foreign language."
"It carries a heavy weight, a pressure that makes me feel like my torso is being crushed and compressed. But after a few moments, it disappears and I feel normal again."
I mean.. it was right there from the beginning, how did I miss it.
 
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That would mean Ella is between life and death for the moment? Basically Ella's body is dead and protected by Nyx's necrotic energy but her(Ella's) soul is still there because of Nyx mark and Nyx can force her soul back in the body whenever she wants?
 

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Since we were on the topic of Ella and Nyx, I'm not sure if someone mentioned this, but I feel like an idiot for missing it and instead going on to speculate on the mechanics of Nyx's powers and how a dead shapeshifter should behave.

I thought that Ella dropping to her knees was a smokescreen. Ella knows how Nyx's powers work, so she baited her and somehow survived. But it's probably much simpler than that.

It was the moment Nyx marked Ella.

I never really paid much attention to the dialogue. The way this works is that Nyx just raises her hand and her target feels a heavy pain on his chest. She doesn't need to touch the target.



I mean.. it was right there from the beginning, how did I miss it.
Already mentioned and it was likely Ella's activating when Nyx comes in close proximity. Ella tells the Reaper Members she has a few monsters of Nyx's laying around in there. She likely set her's to activate if Nyx ever came too close to her.

If you're worried about the color part, that's more proof and also not a problem in it. Since Hex is Green yet Nico is Cyan/Blue, or Ella is red while the 3rd is Dark Blue/Purple.
 
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Already mentioned and it was likely Ella's activating when Nyx comes in close proximity. Ella tells the Reaper Members she has a few monsters of Nyx's laying around in there. She likely set her's to activate if Nyx ever came too close to her.

If you're worried about the color part, that's more proof and also not a problem in it. Since Hex is Green yet Nico is Cyan/Blue, or Ella is red while the 3rd is Dark Blue/Purple.
So who do you think is the traitor? You don't think it is Nyx if I understand you correctly(please correct me if I am wrong).
 

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That would mean Ella is between life and death for the moment? Basically Ella's body is dead and protected by Nyx's necrotic energy but her(Ella's) soul is still there because of Nyx mark and Nyx can force her soul back in the body whenever she wants?
That would depend on how the mark works exactly and the mechanics of this world, but the main assumption is that Ella for all intents and purposes is dead and Nyx has the capacity to ressurect her.

Already mentioned and it was likely Ella's activating when Nyx comes in close proximity. Ella tells the Reaper Members she has a few monsters of Nyx's laying around in there. She likely set her's to activate if Nyx ever came too close to her.

If you're worried about the color part, that's more proof and also not a problem in it. Since Hex is Green yet Nico is Cyan/Blue, or Ella is red while the 3rd is Dark Blue/Purple.
I think the theory you are describing is a bit different than mine. I think that Ella was truthful in her letter to her friends and wasn't marked at any point during the battle. When Nyx enters the fray, she first marks her (pain forcing her to drop on her knees), and then kills her. So Ella is dead but marked by Nyx.

Could you elaborate a bit?
 
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Wth, this thread is crazy lol.
I do have a question, since I haven't stacked up much corruption, or at least I don't think so.

this may spoil the ppl who haven't played ver. 096

1st, when we do the mssion for "HERO"
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I just want to know if it has an impact on our relationship with Nyx. I wouldn't want to miss the chance to "romance" her. I just hope she will follow "the opposites attract" trope lol. Since I didn't raise my corruption (and she seems to be adament on it) or maybe I did without noticing. Do sleeping without the helmet adds 1 pt in corruption everytime or every 2/3 time you do or so?

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I just want to know if the guys who have more corruption or others stats saw smt or had a different dialogue with her.

My theory is that she saw/sensed the monster or being we saw when peering into blondie's memory during her evolution.

ps ; I'm on my 3 evo, I think that's the min/max idk. I try to be a "hero" I just killed and absorbed, or whatever those tentacles do, the scums who deserved it lol

What's the highest evolution you can have?

Thanks to anyone who answer my question.
1. So far Nyx's relationship variable is only tracked once and that's if you ask her age when you first meet her. (it goes +1). There are no other relationship things with her yet. Though since how well you do the langdon infiltration is tracked it may come up later if you mess it up.

2. Corruption's changes are mostly cosmetic at the moment. You pick up more of what monsters say and if you've devoured people like Jake or Danica, they seem to talk to you in your head at certain moments.

3. Evolutions are big story moments, not something that changes based on how you play. Your third evo is the latest so far but story wise it goes up to 5
 
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That would depend on how the mark works exactly and the mechanics of this world, but the main assumption is that Ella for all intents and purposes is dead and Nyx has the capacity to ressurect her.



I think the theory you are describing is a bit different than mine. I think that Ella was truthful in her letter to her friends and wasn't marked at any point during the battle. When Nyx enters the fray, she first marks her (pain forcing her to drop on her knees), and then kills her. So Ella is dead but marked by Nyx.

Could you elaborate a bit?
Her letter predates the fight by month(s). We also know Nyx's power is green, not red. Which is why it's more likely that a monster from her line set it up for Ella as a back up. You have to remember that Ella prepped for everyone before they invaded. She set up monsters that directly counters Malik and built a body to specifically counter Nico from beating her. It's highly possible she gathered several of Nyx's monsters for that specific reason to counter her.
 

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That would depend on how the mark works exactly and the mechanics of this world, but the main assumption is that Ella for all intents and purposes is dead and Nyx has the capacity to ressurect her.
Either Nyx's resurrection powers work with souls(do they even exist in this universe?) or she uses a memory or echo(Nyx can speak with the "echo" of dead people so I guess the echo or memory is more important) of the dead to resurrect them right? But that wouldn't explain why she can't save her Lieutenant. Maybe Ella warped reality too much and now there is no chance that he could be anything but a tree?
 
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Either Nyx's resurrection powers work with souls(do they even exist in this universe?) or she uses a memory or echo(Nyx can speak with the "echo" of dead people so I guess the echo or memory is more important) of the dead to resurrect them right? But that wouldn't explain why she can't save her Lieutenant. Maybe Ella warped reality too much and now there is no chance that he could be anything but a tree?
From Mc's dialogue with Nyx it seems he is stuck because he doesn't have a working brain anymore i guess he needs one for his power to overcome Ella's trasnformation by himself, i understood his situation as:
Ella changed his DNA to be a tree, so even if he is revived he will come back the same way.
 
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Soo... ranking and shitposting aside...
Can we agree on something ?

That new scene with Emiliy (before the fucking, specifically).
She's absolutely dead-fucking-gorgeous, right ?
I mean, seriously. I stared at that scene for quite a few minutes. I changed my pfp for a reason.

Holy flying fuck.
 

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From Mc's dialogue with Nyx it seems he is stuck because he doesn't have a working brain anymore i guess he needs one for his power to overcome Ella's trasnformation by himself, i understood his situation as:
Ella changed his DNA to be a tree, so even if he is revived he will come back the same way.
This update we also learn that she saved him from monsterfication that would mean she can save him from his tree life right?
 

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Her letter predates the fight by month(s). We also know Nyx's power is green, not red. Which is why it's more likely that a monster from her line set it up for Ella as a back up. You have to remember that Ella prepped for everyone before they invaded. She set up monsters that directly counters Malik and built a body to specifically counter Nico from beating her. It's highly possible she gathered several of Nyx's monsters for that specific reason to counter her.
Yes that makes sense, she provides a timeframe on her letter. What I was most interested at during this scene, is why she dropped to her knees midsentence when Nyx appeared. This behavior is consistent with Nyx marking her

Either Nyx's resurrection powers work with souls(do they even exist in this universe?) or she uses a memory or echo(Nyx can speak with the "echo" of dead people so I guess the echo or memory is more important) of the dead to resurrect them right? But that wouldn't explain why she can't save her Lieutenant. Maybe Ella warped reality too much and now there is no chance that he could be anything but a tree?
The memory thing doesn't seem to be unique to Nyx. During the scene in the cathedral she claims that MC could do it too if he had high enough corruption.

The reason he can't fix Gillibrand probably has to do with him being transmuted into a tree. During a sidequest in the latest update, the officer says that Nyx can't ressurect the victims of the Gorgon because their flesh is turned into stone. So it makes sense that she can't just kill him in his tree form and bring him back as a superhuman.
 
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This update we also learn that she saved him from monsterfication that would mean she can save him from his tree life right?
From her explanation i got that she killed him mid monsterfication and he came back normal but never wanted or was able to try again, i guess she expected that killing him would solve the tree problem but that doesn't seem to be the case, unless she is playing 4d chess by lying to everyone about that for some strange reason :unsure: o_O .
 

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Soo... ranking and shitposting aside...
Can we agree on something ?

That new scene with Emiliy (before the fucking, specifically).
She's absolutely dead-fucking-gorgeous, right ?
I mean, seriously. I stared at that scene for quite a few minutes. I changed my pfp for a reason.

Holy flying fuck.
Weirdworld had a tremendous growth in their artistic skills that much is true. I hope MC and the Boys will get an sprite/artwork upgrade with the next update but aside from them the artwork is truly gorgeous.
 

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From her explanation i got that she killed him mid monsterfication and he came back normal but never wanted or was able to try again, i guess she expected that killing him would solve the tree problem but that doesn't seem to be the case, unless she is playing 4d chess by lying to everyone about that for some strange reason :unsure: o_O .
We shouldn't forget that Nyx is a highly corrupted and power hungry person. So maybe she keeps him in that form to farm power and corruption?
 
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