VN Ren'Py Superhuman [v0.991] [WeirdWorld]

[Dipasimaan]

Well, from writing stand point each evolution lvl up should feel like we earn it
I get this feeling with lvl2 and i get this feeling with lvl3 (after fights against Jake, Deryl, several tough monsters in between, Valvaran, hardcore training and huge all-out war against monsters)
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But lvl 4 in first tough battle? This sound cheap to me

Well I mean, MC's first evolution could have been achieved way before the klaus' fight just because he grew in size so it doesn't actually matter what is happening for the MC to evolve. Most importantly WW would probably achieve to sell someone shit for how much he's good at writing so it depends mostly on how it's written than how many months or years have passed

 

[Dipasimaan]

Btw guys do you perhaps know how many Unknown tier there are?

 

[RogueEagle]

Btw guys do you perhaps know how many Unknown tier there are?

You mean S tiers that give powers? See how many powers you've seen so far and multiply it to "unknown", aka nobody knows xD

If someone says they know the exact number, chances are they are fooling you.

 

[Dipasimaan]

You mean S tiers that give powers? See how many powers you've seen so far and multiply it to "unknown", aka nobody knows xD

If someone says they know the exact number, chances are they are fooling you.

no no I meant Unknown tier as in WW Patreon tiers

 

[necromater]

Well I mean, MC's first evolution could have been achieved way before the klaus' fight just because he grew in size so it doesn't actually matter what is happening for the MC to evolve. Most importantly WW would probably achieve to sell someone shit for how much he's good at writing so it depends mostly on how it's written than how many months or years have passed

When we try to become a titán XD we almost go monster Lol just watch deryl fall if you don't believe me

 

[RonaldGrand6969]

Well, from writing stand point each evolution lvl up should feel like we earn it
I get this feeling with lvl2 and i get this feeling with lvl3 (after fights against Jake, Deryl, several tough monsters in between, Valvaran, hardcore training and huge all-out war against monsters)
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But lvl 4 in first tough battle? This sound cheap to me

That's honestly part of the reason I dislike Xanthe's serum, and why I FEEL like the monsters also shouldn't like it.

For how "limited" and "specific" or "worthy" you have to be in order to evolve to Lvl 5, it sure is EASY to just get a fuckin serum and jump the hoops.

Oh I'm sorry was the Arbiter, 3rd, and 4th trying to get you to fit a requirement for future plans or make sure you were ready for a deal or something? Well not anymore! We can just take a quick stab and tada!

What do you guys prefer? A bad ass transformation and fight to dethrone a power hungry crime lord (Klaus Lvl 2 Evo). Or perhaps a duo Evolution between you, and your best friend, travelling across the battlefield filled with Monsters and mayhem. Nah, I'll take this old guy stabbing me with a needle where I throw a fit in a naked tussle for about 10 minutes, and even THAT was just to observe, Xanthe could alternatively just lock us up in a fuckin room for PEAK entertainment.

Narratively they also sort of provide plot progress markers. I highly DOUBT W.W will continue the story for a lengthy amount of time after we resch Lvl 5, as that is by definition the end game of a Superhuman's strength, there would be very few to stand in our way. So if we get to Lvl 4 and then a lil half arc after just get a fuckin serum we'll be skipping the last bit of huge content stretch possible through an anticlimactic procedure. Realistically it makes sense that an Evolution can happen WHENEVER (i.e without a grand spectacle) but let's be honest with ourselves; that's fucking boring. Could you imagine the spectacle that was Michael getting his powers, turned into him shitting on the god damn toilet and figuring it out?

Fuck the serum.

Edit: It's not ALL bad, the serum that is. I like the way W.W buffed Michael & Tiffany so that they can "keep up" with our current cast in future fights together. Though again, for someone like Michael, who literally went through a whole process to FIGHT a monster as a human just to prove a point to himself it does feel..."cheap" to just give him his 2nd Evolution through a bottle.

 

[Dipasimaan]

When we try to become a titán XD we almost go monster Lol just watch deryl fall if you don't believe me

what do you mean we almost go monster?

 

[RonaldGrand6969]

what do you mean we almost go monster?

Yes it's implied that "feeling" when we turned big that we suppressed was a potential Evolution. But considering how standoffish by instinct the MC was, it felt more like we were actually about to Monsterfy.

 

[lg545]

That's honestly part of the reason I dislike Xanthe's serum, and why I FEEL like the monsters also shouldn't like it.

For how "limited" and "specific" or "worthy" you have to be in order to evolve to Lvl 5, it sure is EASY to just get a fuckin serum and jump the hoops.

Oh I'm sorry was the Arbiter, 3rd, and 4th trying to get you to fit a requirement for future plans or make sure you were ready for a deal or something? Well not anymore! We can just take a quick stab and tada!

What do you guys prefer? A bad ass transformation and fight to dethrone a power hungry crime lord (Klaus Lvl 2 Evo). Or perhaps a duo Evolution between you, and your best friend, travelling across the battlefield filled with Monsters and mayhem. Nah, I'll take this old guy stabbing me with a needle where I throw a fit in a naked tussle for about 10 minutes, and even THAT was just to observe, Xanthe could alternatively just lock us up in a fuckin room for PEAK entertainment.

Narratively they also sort of provide plot progress markers. I highly DOUBT W.W will continue the story for a lengthy amount of time after we resch Lvl 5, as that is by definition the end game of a Superhuman's strength, there would be very few to stand in our way. So if we get to Lvl 4 and then a lil half arc after just get a fuckin serum we'll be skipping the last bit of huge content stretch possible through an anticlimactic procedure. Realistically it makes sense that an Evolution can happen WHENEVER (i.e without a grand spectacle) but let's be honest with ourselves; that's fucking boring. Could you imagine the spectacle that was Michael getting his powers, turned into him shitting on the god damn toilet and figuring it out?

Fuck the serum.

Edit: It's not ALL bad, the serum that is. I like the way W.W buffed Michael & Tiffany so that they can "keep up" with our current cast in future fights together. Though again, for someone like Michael, who literally went through a whole process to FIGHT a monster as a human just to prove a point to himself it does feel..."cheap" to just give him his 2nd Evolution through a bottle.

Well, with serum lvl 5...For example, Xsante could give it to you and say something like this: since you are nooby lvl 4 you can transform with this in lvl 5...but your chance of success would be something around 5%
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So MC take it, but does not use it (train his lvl 4, fight boss battles and use serum only as last resort to save himself and his friends)
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Something like this

 

[Gtdead]

Have a couple questions:
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1)Why people are so adamant about MC would get his 4 lvl evolution in near future?

I mean, from what i understand so far, evolutions is not something you can just fast ride in couple weeks.
For MC It took several months of hard training (before and after he join HERO), numerous boss fights where his life was in grave danger to get on lvl 3 evolution...But here is a thing - MC did not receive a natural evolution, but rather he get kinda RAW version of Xsante serum during his fight against Deryl
Same stay true for Alice - she bust her ass at same pace as MC did...and it took MONTHS just to get on lvl 2
If i understand correctly - with each new evolution, it would harder to get new one. So while we are nooby lvl 3...well, it would take a lot time (mayby even ingame years) for MC to evolve on stage 4
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2) Why people are so hostile against HERO as organisation?

I mean, it has clear goals (yeah, they have shady side to them, but tell me who have not?), enough resources and they already proof to be reliable (i mean they exist for several decades and during this time nothing bad was happened. Even resent coming out was forced by rapid grow of monster activity)

On contrast, SIN:

1)Swarm Earth with hordes of monsters (rapid grow of monster activity is their fault)
2)Prepare army of obedient (thanks to oath's and tatoos) super soldiers made from former soldiers and mercenaries
3) Kidnap twins
4)Bullshiting everyone that they are about "freedom and equality" (and another revolution propaganda. Yep. Guys like Langdon fight for freedom. What a joke) while in reality they not that much different from HERO in terms of organisation structure
etc

Answer 1)
Evolutions can happen at any time. There is no rule saying that the next evolution will take longer than the previous one and we have examples showcasing it. Based on the trend from the previous evolutions, a fair expectation is that MC will reach his fourth in around 80 in-game days, although that can mean anything in real time.

I don't think people expect that the 4th will come quickly, but it's already mentioned in game (in relation to Gillibrand), so we discuss it.

Answer 2)
I think people confuse SIN with Ella's faction. These two are not the same. SIN is the superhuman branch of Langdon's operations that was facilitated by Ella as part of a business agreement. Currently there is absolutely no reason to support SIN. Joining SIN does not equal joining Ella. Unless of course people have a hard-on for Jared and want so much to work with thim or something.. dunno.

If we are talking about Ella's faction specifically, Ella wants to buy time to do whatever she needs to do. Love her or hate her, her work seems to be important, even if she clearly is a villainous character (same can be said for HERO members btw). We don't know the why, we can only speculate MC's part. But she has a "supporter" named Lochan Deus, who can see the future and believes that her work will fix a "mess".

 

[ItzSyther]

Real question is, will the turned to tree dude ever be reverted back to normal, he was a cool stagnated Superhuman...
To go out like that...

Most likely will but the way the MC made it sound he probably won't be able to do it even at level 4 so we'd have to wait till 5.

 

[RonaldGrand6969]

Answer 1)
Evolutions can happen at any time. There is no rule saying that the next evolution will take longer than the previous one and we have examples showcasing it. Based on the trend from the previous evolutions, a fair expectation is that MC will reach his fourth in around 80 in-game days, although that can mean anything in real time.

I don't think people expect that the 4th will come quickly, but it's already mentioned in game (in relation to Gillibrand), so we discuss it.

Answer 2)
I think people confuse SIN with Ella's faction. These two are not the same. SIN is the superhuman branch of Langdon's operations that was facilitated by Ella as part of a business agreement. Currently there is absolutely no reason to support SIN. Joining SIN does not equal joining Ella. Unless of course people have a hard-on for Jared and want so much to work with thim or something.. dunno.

If we are talking about Ella's faction specifically, Ella wants to buy time to do whatever she needs to do. Love her or hate her, her work seems to be important, even if she clearly is a villainous character (same can be said for HERO members btw). We don't know the why, we can only speculate MC's part. But she has a "supporter" named Lochan Deus, who can see the future and believes that her work will fix a "mess".

I am DEEPLY concerned that what Ella has been doing for the last 7 YEARS and has been arguably the most secret, important part of the game; is only considered "mess" fix worthy in Deus's eyes...he is a terrifying character...

 

[RonaldGrand6969]

Most likely will but the way the MC made it sound he probably won't be able to do it even at level 4 so we'd have to wait till 5.

There's potential we can likely do it at 4 due to the fact that:
A. Ella isn't actively feeding any more energy into him.
B. We have the Memory trait, we could find Gillibrand's consciousness FOR him.
C. Gillibrand will be able to fight against the formation WITH our added help.

Not that I would ever want to help him anyway. The less people I have to go against to bring H.E.R.O into the ground, the better.

 

[Gtdead]

I am DEEPLY concerned that what Ella has been doing for the last 7 YEARS and has been arguably the most secret, important part of the game; is only considered "mess" fix worthy in Deus's eyes...he is a terrifying character...

Haha, his superpower must be "Understatement" or something.

 

[lg545]

Answer 1)
Evolutions can happen at any time. There is no rule saying that the next evolution will take longer than the previous one and we have examples showcasing it. Based on the trend from the previous evolutions, a fair expectation is that MC will reach his fourth in around 80 in-game days, although that can mean anything in real time.

I don't think people expect that the 4th will come quickly, but it's already mentioned in game (in relation to Gillibrand), so we discuss it.

Answer 2)
I think people confuse SIN with Ella's faction. These two are not the same. SIN is the superhuman branch of Langdon's operations that was facilitated by Ella as part of a business agreement. Currently there is absolutely no reason to support SIN. Joining SIN does not equal joining Ella. Unless of course people have a hard-on for Jared and want so much to work with thim or something.. dunno.

If we are talking about Ella's faction specifically, Ella wants to buy time to do whatever she needs to do. Love her or hate her, her work seems to be important, even if she clearly is a villainous character (same can be said for HERO members btw). We don't know the why, we can only speculate MC's part. But she has a "supporter" named Lochan Deus, who can see the future and believes that her work will fix a "mess".

SIN knew everything about Ella and her plans and they totally OK with that
SIN act as facility for her band (all medicine )
SIN take a lot of help from Ella
Members of Ella gang are now actively work with SIN
.
So they are at least ally and take responsibility for Ella actions

 

[RonaldGrand6969]

SIN knew everything about Ella and her plans and they totally OK with that
SIN act as facility for her band (all medicine )
SIN take a lot of help from Ella
Members of Ella gang are now actively work with SIN
.
So they are at least ally and take responsibility for Ella actions

Probably not true honestly. I HIGHLY doubt that Ella would ever reveal her plans to LANGDON or his useless ass son for them to fuck it all up, let alone even revealing the full extent to her "children". This is the same plan Aglaecwif or even Valravn know VERY little about.

Though they are obviously in the know of WHAT she wants (hearts, stones, etc.) I'd just assume not what FOR. I have a gut feeling she would NEVER allow Jared to be in charge of retrieving the stones though if she was there to resist the decision.

 

[ItzSyther]

SIN knew everything about Ella and her plans and they totally OK with that
SIN act as facility for her band (all medicine )
SIN take a lot of help from Ella
Members of Ella gang are now actively work with SIN
.
So they are at least ally and take responsibility for Ella actions

SIN in no way knows everything about Ella or her plans nor could you prove that they do with the current knowledge we ALL have access to.

SIN does indeed act as a facility for her and her goon squad but I can assure you most of them aren't at SIN, most of her kids are most likely at the orphanage she has setup.

Yes, they do indeed but clearly as of this update they are doing their own activities (recruiting former soldiers) while she's in dead/coma like state.

They do indeed actively work with each other but it's not because they are 'besties' its for something mutual, Ella needs to find those lil things that we seen Charlie and Jared with (and whatever else she needs) and SIN needs Ella's goons power at least till they can get strong enough to stand on their own (at least thats how I see it).

They more or less partners I wouldn't bump it up to allies imo.

 

[RonaldGrand6969]

SIN in no way knows everything about Ella or her plans nor could you prove that they do with the current knowledge we ALL have access to.

SIN does indeed act as a facility for her and her goon squad but I can assure you most of them aren't at SIN, most of her kids are most likely at the orphanage she has setup.

Yes, they do indeed but clearly as of this update they are doing their own activities (recruiting former soldiers) while she's in dead/coma like state.

They do indeed actively work with each other but it's not because they are 'besties' its for something mutual, Ella needs to find those lil things that we seen Charlie and Jared with (and whatever else she needs) and SIN needs Ella's goons power at least till they can get strong enough to stand on their own (at least thats how I see it).

They more or less partners I wouldn't bump it up to allies imo.

Yeah I feel the majority of us have just figured she's using S.I.N as a way to buy time, means to an end. Even her "children" seem to be inconsequential in the grand scheme of things; I mean she literally threatened to kill Cole for trying to make a game out of obtaining the hearts with his siblings.

I'm of the belief she only truly cares about:
1. Her plans
2. Christie & Emily
3. Us (only starting at the end of the Training Arc?)
4. The Orphans

Everything else be damned, save for a few "I felt like it" morals.

 

[ItzSyther]

Yeah I feel the majority of us have just figured she's using S.I.N as a way to buy time, means to an end. Even her "children" seem to be inconsequential in the grand scheme of things; I mean she literally threatened to kill Cole for trying to make a game out of obtaining the hearts with his siblings.

I'm of the belief she only truly cares about:
1. Her plans
2. Christie
3. Emily
4. Us (only starting at the end of the Training Arc?)
5. The Orphans

Everything else be damned, save for a few "I felt like it" morals.

Personally I'd merge 2 and 3 together. She seems (imo) to equally care about both.

 

[ffive]

Real question is, will the turned to tree dude ever be reverted back to normal, he was a cool stagnated Superhuman...
To go out like that...

I'm curious if he'd revert to his regular form if they triggered his 5th evolution with the serum. Maybe he'd find it easier as a tree, not having the brain to freak out over it. At the very least it could provide opportunity for Nyx to kill him and restore him back to his mark state.