VN Ren'Py Superhuman [v0.996 Public] [WeirdWorld]

[Dayswithoutincident69]

I dont get the issue here? This fight was basically a Dark Souls moment. Michael had prepared and tailored equipment specifically for this fight and planned thoroughly on how to beat Oscar. Oscar on the other hand was the sluggish boss who hits hard and has certain moves to throw the player off guard.

TLDR: Chosen Undead VS Asylum Demon

plus oscar already gave his estus flask to another guy so he can't really heal no more

 

[OnlineRando]

I dont get the issue here? This fight was basically a Dark Souls moment. Michael had prepared and tailored equipment specifically for this fight and planned thoroughly on how to beat Oscar. Oscar on the other hand was the sluggish boss who hits hard and has certain moves to throw the player off guard.

TLDR: Chosen Undead VS Asylum Demon

I don't get your point... the discussion is whether or not Oscar is close to Michael in skill, at least when they were both human.

 

[OnlineRando]

The Wepwawet never got a monster report, but you are right in that it'd probably be a D rank monster, maybe D+ since it's explicitly stated to not be that powerful by a Level 2 MC, just in possession of an extremely dangerous power with a massive range that can kick in before you even see it. Dangerous enough that if you try and kill one with a mantis punch, the Level 2 MC can get slapped across a cavern, accelerated faster than a bullet into a wall and be near helpless whilst having his mangled body eaten alive faster than it can regenerate under the light's effects. It legitimately almost did him like Valravn did in Dead End 24, turned into a renewable food source.

There are some key differences between monsterified Oscar's Red Light and a Wepwawet's Red Light. Oscar's brought its target to a complete stop, but had a cooldown and could be broken out of with raw strength. On the other hand, a Wepwawet's version has no cooldown, but slows things to a crawl instead of actually stopping them and actually takes some time to kick in, though it offsets this with a large range and getting more effective the longer a target's in the light. That difference is actually what makes it killable, because at close range it actually can't stop attacks going at supersonic speeds. Oscar's an ex-soldier, and gun laws in Sector 1 are so lax the only thing off-limits to civilians is explosives. It certainly wouldn't have been easy for Oscar, considering that it's still a car-sized monster with light-based powers and inhuman strength, but at his reported skill level, smart use of the environment and Wepwawets being glass cannons make it actually be possible. Oscar took it out ironically the same way he ended up getting taken out, going for the eyes.

Also, the formula A-8163 absolutely helped Michael during that fight against the Leigong, he almost got disembowelled mid-fight. In fact, he got himself killed fighting a monster just like Oscar, because he injected himself with so much magical trenbolone his ass was about to die 15 minutes after the fight because his body couldn't handle literally mutating beyond all human boundaries. For all intents and purposes, he had to pop so much drugs he was operating at the level of a low level superhuman to win.

All good points. I wonder if the Wepwawet that MC fought and the one that granted Oscar his powers are different, maybe one is a special variant, like Ella's Hexenringe. The power Oscar gained is different enough from the Wepwawet MC fought to merit that discussion, though powers do vary based on the individual, so it might be a variation on Oscar's part rather than the originating monster's.

 

[KKStrider]

All good points. I wonder if the Wepwawet that MC fought and the one that granted Oscar his powers are different, maybe one is a special variant, like Ella's Hexenringe. The power Oscar gained is different enough from the Wepwawet MC fought to merit that discussion, though powers do vary based on the individual, so it might be a variation on Oscar's part rather than the originating monster's.

It's almost certainly due to Oscar. You only get the exact same power as your monster parent with little to no variation if you fail to ascend to a superhuman and become an Infected, as that results in monster genetic material completely supplanting the human genetic material in a person. Also I messed up the name of the power that Oscar and Wepwawets use, it's Motion Light.

 

[OnlineRando]

It's almost certainly due to Oscar. You only get the exact same power as your monster parent with little to no variation if you fail to ascend to a superhuman and become an Infected, as that results in monster genetic material completely supplanting the human genetic material in a person. Also I messed up the name of the power that Oscar and Wepwawets use, it's Motion Light.

Is that true? The only other in-game example of a human-turned-monster I can think of (whose original monster we know well enough, at least) is Kenny, and his powers didn't seem to differ from that of a Minyak. The only thing I'm unsure about is whether or not a Minyak can raise the dead as oil slaves, but I'm not sure they'd find a lot of use for that regardless.

 

[shujuku]

I don't get your point... the discussion is whether or not Oscar is close to Michael in skill, at least when they were both human.

I see, but still why bother about his normal days when he became mentally disfunctional and was only some hard hitting brute?

 

[OnlineRando]

I see, but still why bother about his normal days when he became mentally disfunctional and was only some hard hitting brute?

...Because that's not what the discussion was about. I think it started with someone asking about how high Michael's skill would be, which lead to Oscar's skill as a human, etc etc.

 

[KKStrider]

Is that true? The only other in-game example of a human-turned-monster I can think of (whose original monster we know well enough, at least) is Kenny, and his powers didn't seem to differ from that of a Minyak. The only thing I'm unsure about is whether or not a Minyak can raise the dead as oil slaves, but I'm not sure they'd find a lot of use for that regardless.

Kenny actually was a superhuman. He became a Variant monster after failing his Level 2 evolution due to hitting it before he was ready. He's a bit of a weird case. Firstly because failing an evolution usually just straight up turns you into whatever monster infected you, like Claire Lantos being infected by a Banshee and then becoming one once she messed up her Level 3 evolution. Kenny, however, had a monster parent that was of a female exclusive species. Secondly, because it's left deliberately vague what the true extent of his power was, as he's noted in his character profile to have been absolute ass at actually using it, and thus never actually developed anything unique.

Despite that, he did have some divergence from his monster parent, as his oil was exclusively produced from his hands at Level 1 and as a Variant monster his oil could potentially resurrect and control hundreds of people at once.

 

[JmTrad]

...Because that's not what the discussion was about. I think it started with someone asking about how high Michael's skill would be, which lead to Oscar's skill as a human, etc etc.

Yeah, Oscar skill when human was 74, when he revived it became 4. My believe was that Michael is even more skilled than that. But you guys also raised a good point, all Michael fights with monsters he had prep time, Oscar fight he had no idea of anything, is a miracle he even managed to kill it.

 

[GoblinLover01]

I swear to god, this Hexenringe is a walking plot device preventing this story from ending in 2 minutes View attachment 4223294

oh for FUCKS SAKE

 

[JmTrad]

Shadow fans be like:

 

[bfc233]

Wepwawet

Within the last two pages I have seen at least five ways how to write this.
This mystery gets me more than any power or skill level discussions

 

[Armananta]

Nah, Its all about what dev write or not the story, you forgot that MC could and propably have stronger ally than any of those HERO fuckers.

His monster grandmother, Mother sliblings, Smoll Ella and propably soon Big Ella, His friends, Valravn and few more.

Its not like he Is bound to the HERO Its all just about how dev writte the story and I have already enough of months boring fuckers of HERO, I dont even like anyone from them asaide from maybe 3-4 characters.

The story itself was way more fun and cool when the action take place In school.

So yeah there Is a ton of possibility for now to mc break with HERO.

All I am saying Is that we already seen TO MUCH of the hero, I want see other perspective, things, monsters, religions or whatever.

Hell not even one of our companion, even care about the HERO as well I dont see the problem.

Extremely unrelated but what's the source behind your banner?

 

[The Specter]

Extremely unrelated but what's the source behind your banner?

Pretty sure its goblin layer.

 

[INquiop]

Do we have to go back to earth immediately cause if Michal is getting a power up I fell like everyone should get a power up before we go back

 

[Dinoflaggelate]

Do we have to go back to earth immediately cause if Michal is getting a power up I fell like everyone should get a power up before we go back

I think it's likely that the whole party will get power-ups by the end of this arc.

• The MC. I doubt he's going to evolve to level 4 yet, there's still stuff for him to do at level 3, but he should have his Memory powers boosted a lot following recovering his memories. I can see him pulling out some of the lesser abilities Syla does in the flashback to her fight with Indra, things like making enemies forget their abilities or projecting false memory decoys.
• Deryl. He's got a working Philosopher's Stone and a world full of monsters to shove in it. He should have lots of material to make new tech with. Plus, there's the bit about him thinking that learning monster language from Ella will help him better understand his thoughts from when he was a monster, and give him back some of the insight into monster biology he lost.
• Michael. I can actually see Michael being last to get a major power-up, possibly not until the team is back on Earth. The Hexenring the group has to fight will fulfill the "absorb power from an S-class" step of his evolution ritual, but he believes there are more after that. So he probably won't evolve until after everyone else gets their upgrades.
• Alice. She's got a lot of possible upgrades lined up. Getting her ring working and acquiring a strong new weapon, evolving to level 3 as a result of the stress from taking control of the Hexenring, and even the potential of permanently controlling the Hexenring and essentially getting a weaker version of Nico's powers from it. Alice is going to be a powerhouse.
• Liz and Amber. There's been so much foreshadowing of something going wrong with Liz and Amber's evolution that there's no way they're not going to evolve soon. And with their twin resonance, each of them evolving once should put them both at level 3. Let's just hope whatever side effects they face aren't too bad.

 

[shujuku]

I think it's likely that the whole party will get power-ups by the end of this arc.

• The MC. I doubt he's going to evolve to level 4 yet, there's still stuff for him to do at level 3, but he should have his Memory powers boosted a lot following recovering his memories. I can see him pulling out some of the lesser abilities Syla does in the flashback to her fight with Indra, things like making enemies forget their abilities or projecting false memory decoys.
• Deryl. He's got a working Philosopher's Stone and a world full of monsters to shove in it. He should have lots of material to make new tech with. Plus, there's the bit about him thinking that learning monster language from Ella will help him better understand his thoughts from when he was a monster, and give him back some of the insight into monster biology he lost.
• Michael. I can actually see Michael being last to get a major power-up, possibly not until the team is back on Earth. The Hexenring the group has to fight will fulfill the "absorb power from an S-class" step of his evolution ritual, but he believes there are more after that. So he probably won't evolve until after everyone else gets their upgrades.
• Alice. She's got a lot of possible upgrades lined up. Getting her ring working and acquiring a strong new weapon, evolving to level 3 as a result of the stress from taking control of the Hexenring, and even the potential of permanently controlling the Hexenring and essentially getting a weaker version of Nico's powers from it. Alice is going to be a powerhouse.
• Liz and Amber. There's been so much foreshadowing of something going wrong with Liz and Amber's evolution that there's no way they're not going to evolve soon. And with their twin resonance, each of them evolving once should put them both at level 3. Let's just hope whatever side effects they face aren't too bad.

My thoughts on MC, and Michael.

MC: I doubt he will evolve to his 4th evolution prior to mastering his memory trait until somewhat close to "3rd evolution tier" just because i intuitively feel that the balance would be far too tipped off his genetic monster makeup.

Michael: I, unironically think Michael has the potential to become onpar with MC or even stronger. That sexy grey alien bitch informed us that Authority, the daddy of the 1st and 2nd apostle was the strongest one out of the other kids on his parental generation. So I assume its only logical if someone with a very combat mind that gets some SSJ69420 2nd apostle powers becomes mega broken to the point he will be the one to fight Indra.

 

[Sayajin2205]

My thoughts on MC, and Michael.

MC: I doubt he will evolve to his 4th evolution prior to mastering his memory trait until somewhat close to "3rd evolution tier" just because i intuitively feel that the balance would be far too tipped off his genetic monster makeup.

Michael: I, unironically think Michael has the potential to become onpar with MC or even stronger. That sexy grey alien bitch informed us that Authority, the daddy of the 1st and 2nd apostle was the strongest one out of the other kids on his parental generation. So I assume its only logical if someone with a very combat mind that gets some SSJ69420 2nd apostle powers becomes mega broken to the point he will be the one to fight Indra.

You mean "Order" right? Because authority is first and power is second I doubt Michael has any chance to get order he had low compatibility even for power so I doubt he has enough compatibility for authority so that he can unlock order.As for Indra fight I really wish his end to come by MC's hand even though I don't care much about Syla as a character it's the principle of it to avenge MC's mom.

 

[Nexum768]

Just finished my first playthrough of what the game has so far a little bit ago and it is such a good game honestly one of the best I've played I honestly wish to see more of the bird knight I really liked him and wanna see more of him looking forward to more


also MORE LISA RAHHHHHHH ROMANCE OPTION WHEN? YANDERE LISA WHEN RAHHH

 

[Sayajin2205]

Just finished my first playthrough of what the game has so far a little bit ago and it is such a good game honestly one of the best I've played I honestly wish to see more of the bird knight I really liked him and wanna see more of him looking forward to more


also MORE LISA RAHHHHHHH ROMANCE OPTION WHEN? YANDERE LISA WHEN RAHHH

Lisa is prollly getting fucked by some new level 1 guy or some monster before she kills it lol.She is the barracks bunny the cumrag of hero lol.