VN Ren'Py Superhuman [v0.996 Public] [WeirdWorld]

[Grimnir098]

1. Yes. It is a DEAD end. "People die when they are killed" - Shirou Emiya. Regardless of HOW he dies, MC still dies due to direct action by Ella.
2. Neither was I. "A few in-person scenes before the doll, specifically at Bills Park" Does that read better/easier to get the point across?
3. Nah, you just came across as condescending.

1. So? There's a massive difference in what it means for Ella's character if MC dies because she consumed his brain, and if MC dies because she captured him, brought him to Memory, and then they were all suddenly attacked by Lord of Dark who killed them all.
2. Yes. You were kind of vague in your original comment.
3. So that was just a meaningless passive aggressive remark. Good to know.

 

[Blaze_Lumini]

1. So? There's a massive difference in what it means for Ella's character if MC dies because she consumed his brain, and if MC dies because she captured him, brought him to Memory, and then they were all suddenly attacked by Lord of Dark who killed them all.
2. Yes. You were kind of vague in your original comment.
3. So that was just a meaningless passive aggressive remark. Good to know.

1 Ella had all the reasons in the world to believe that the MC was the one she needed before her death. However, due to a change in her writing, she suddenly didn't want to follow through on her earlier motivations. That was the original point that you argued against by simplifying my comment as "so you're only remembering the negative shit she does". Side note: While I agree it's a good guess, it's not a fact that LoD is the cause of that DE as well. How many times have apostles or chosen shown up and LoD has never made an appearance? This includes when MC turns. It's not a given that LoD is the cause of the DE. We saw in the Christie death DE that Ella didn't hesitate early on to kill MC regardless of agenda.
2. My bad. I assumed that the reader would have an idea of what they were talking about before attempting to call me out.
3. Yes, our entire conversation has been full of passive-aggressive remarks. Thank you internet.

 

[Grimnir098]

1 Ella had all the reasons in the world to believe that the MC was the one she needed before her death. However, due to a change in her writing, she suddenly didn't want to follow through on her earlier motivations. That was the original point that you argued against by simplifying my comment as "so you're only remembering the negative shit she does". Side note: While I agree it's a good guess, it's not a fact that LoD is the cause of that DE as well. How many times have apostles or chosen shown up and LoD has never made an appearance? This includes when MC turns. It's not a given that LoD is the cause of the DE. We saw in the Christie death DE that Ella didn't hesitate early on to kill MC regardless of agenda.
2. My bad. I assumed that the reader would have an idea of what they were talking about before attempting to call me out.
3. Yes, our entire conversation has been full of passive-aggressive remarks. Thank you internet.

1a. What were the reasons Ella had to believe MC was the one she needed?
1b. When exactly does she not follow through on her earlier motivations?
1c. When I said you were only remembering the negative shit, I was referring to you not remembering positive interactions between her and the MC. It had nothing to do with the point about killing the MC.
1d. It just makes no sense for Ella to kill the MC after realising he's perfect. We already know from a prior dead end that she wants him alive to deliver him to Memory for some reason. My explanation of what happens in the dead end we're talking about isn't just a "good guess", it's a superior explanation to yours (i.e. that Ella simply kills the MC for no particular reason, going against her previously established character and agenda). So you're correct that it isn't a fact, but neither is what you're saying.
2. Yes, assumptions are easy to make and not always correct. I'd say I'm glad we agree on that because it's kind of important when hashing out disagreements, but I get the feeling you don't think you did anything wrong even though you were the one being vague and unclear. Did you assume no one would call you out, or that anyone who read your comment would know exactly what you meant despite your poor wording? Either assumption is, obviously, incorrect. But rest assured, I will do better to make up for your failings.
3. I'm not passive aggressive. If I have a problem with you, I'll say so, as I did above. You read passive-aggression into my comment, which is understandable because text isn't always clear - but none of my comments have been passive-aggressive. Hell, even if I conceded that the comment you called condescending is passive-aggressive, that's literally the only hint of it in all my responses to you, so our conversation could only be "full of passive-aggressive remarks" because of you. This is projection.

 

[FrapFrapper]

Those hospital flashbacks were so bad and out of place that it was one of the few moments when the game cut my immersion.

Same, I was like how can you ask me to try and feel or care about her like this when put into context of the previous shit she's done to us, and then try to handwave it like oh, I was just pretending to not remember and the MC has amnesia. Really broke emersion for me.

"Also, Ella has revealed a soft spot for the MC multiple times even before the doll is woken up. It's just that she's much more antagonistic, so you're only remembering the negative shit she does."
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"Something WW seemingly tried to rectify later on with memory callbacks and a few in-person scenes."

I would prefer if WW went back and just retcon or changed it to better represent that than this soft inconsistant approach.

You realise the MC can't die from getting his head cut off, right? He's literally done it to himself, when he was escaping Klaus.
The dead end where Ella actually kills him - because he killed Christie - has her consuming his brain with her tentacles, I believe.

Do I have to say "we/us humans..." to signal to you that I am indeed human and not an alien or robot posing as a human?

Okay that is not true, first off we weren't ready and weaker than later on when we did cut off our head.
Secondly if we choose the wrong option from where we regrow from we die from cutting off our own head. Dead end right there.
Thirdly, Ella doesn't exactly cut off our head, we assume so. Checking the ending, she SPLATTERS us apparently and most importantly, we get Dead End #6, no ifs or buts, A official dead end. Back to main screen. Reload, try again.

Side note: I would also like to point out we don't die by Ella's hand when she kidnaps us to go see Mother. Rather its some other monster god that kills Mother, presumably Ella, then us.

PS. I think you missed the joke and a chance to joke about being "Superhuman" at the end there.

100% always hate Ella. She gets worse in my book after discovering she knew the mc as kids.

I'ma level with ya bro. I don't really hate Ella. Shes the crazy bitch you don't stick your dick in. But honestly we've all likely tried, and I have personally tried to go back for seconds (and 3rd, & etc.).

Its more of a love-hate rollercoaster thing, even if we know better than to be tempted by those bit titty goth tits.

Also worth mentioning, she's not the only one experimenting on kids. For what its worth, she's more selective and people she chooses have a much higher success and survival rate.

But besides that, she's proven to be one of the more interesting characters and has the brutal will to see her desires and ambitions to fruition. Keep in mind what she's up against. People who quite easily and nearly singlehandedly killed millions and conquered the entire planet. You don't have much room for luxury beliefs when fighting against that kind of power or the other powers than are strong enough to contest the conquerors.

 

[KingAgamemnon]

I would prefer if WW went back and just retcon or changed it to better represent that than this soft inconsistant approach.

From what I understand, a lot of the early game will be reworked to better line up with later story when WW goes back to do the sprite overhaul. I expect Ella's behavior to be on the list of things to tweak.

 

[FrapFrapper]

From what I understand, a lot of the early game will be reworked to better line up with later story when WW goes back to do the sprite overhaul. I expect Ella's behavior to be on the list of things to tweak.

Oopf, that can be a bit risky. Fingers crossed it'll come out alright. I hope WW will stay true to Ella's overall character..... Whatever her character may be..... I just hope he keeps all the crazy best parts that we've come to know Ella for and had lengthy discussions about, otherwise it could be too alienating for some players to easily accept.

 

[Hammyak]

Okay that is not true, first off we weren't ready and weaker than later on when we did cut off our head.
Secondly if we choose the wrong option from where we regrow from we die from cutting off our own head. Dead end right there.

Wasn't the reason for death there the collar which blows up when the head with collar still on starts regenerating?

 

[Grimnir098]

Okay that is not true, first off we weren't ready and weaker than later on when we did cut off our head.

We were weaker, yes, but that doesn't mean we weren't ready. There wasn't even a whole evolution stage between when that dead end takes place and when we get captured by Klaus. How many power points did we even gain between those two moments?

Secondly if we choose the wrong option from where we regrow from we die from cutting off our own head. Dead end right there.

We don't die from cutting off our own head, we die from the collar activating because it falls off our body. The right option is only the right option because it means the collar stays in place around our neck.

Thirdly, Ella doesn't exactly cut off our head, we assume so. Checking the ending, she SPLATTERS us apparently and most importantly, we get Dead End #6, no ifs or buts, A official dead end. Back to main screen. Reload, try again.

She attacks, but there's no reason to assume that her attack would immediately kill us aside from the fact that the screen goes black, which could just mean that the MC is unconscious, or like I already explained, that WW simply didn't want to show what happens next (likely because it's just a retread of an earlier dead end).

Side note: I would also like to point out we don't die by Ella's hand when she kidnaps us to go see Mother. Rather its some other monster god that kills Mother, presumably Ella, then us.

I literally say this multiple times. This is part of the point I'm making.

 

[Nexum768]

Monthly argument if ella is evil or not or a bitch or not or yap yap yap

 

[KyngC]

Monthly argument if ella is evil or not or a bitch or not or yap yap yap

Now we wait for the Deryl and Jake argument

 

[PerpetuallyAmiss]

Deryl sucks still aint forgiven that fucker. Jake was bitch made and it cost him every thing.

Ella can catch hands. Hopefully we can throw the gauntlet and actually kill her. Don't sit well with me to stab her while she's down even though that's exactly wtf she would do.

 

[Blaze_Lumini]

Monthly argument if ella is evil or not or a bitch or not or yap yap yap

I was just contemplating if this was a thing and how often it probably happens. Thanks for preemptively informing me.

Now we wait for the Deryl and Jake argument

Deryl himself states he's always been an asshole, but he's a bro. Given his and MC's history of fighting, I agree with wanting to fight the MC to see who was stronger. I used to fight in backyard boxing matches with my friends growing up. Bros get closer after throwing hands. And Deryl believed that nothing significantly negative would come of a non-to-the-death brawl... Shame that Ella had that suggestion implanted in him and it affected him negatively while drained.

I decided to spare Jake, though it was a close thing. To start with Jake was inherently a good person, but a giant coward. His naivete and ignorance were taken advantage of by Ella. His weak-willed self somehow managed to fuck up every critical moment. He only manages to push past all that in the end, to sacrifice all else to fix Mia, even if arguably he could have made other decisions. Besides, at the current state of the game, Jake's life is his punishment: made a convict recruit to H.E.R.O, currently ignored by the person he wanted to save, and with several people wanting to end or make his life miserable.

 

[Blaze_Lumini]

Is there any explanation why some of the apostles seem more willing to guide their spawn than others? Jake was shown to be directly talked to by the First (though it seemed more indirectly controlling than guiding.) Michael heard a voice just before evolving, granting him visions/knowledge of rites and a different way to use his evolution to gain strength. Even Ella was being talked to at multiple points by the 3rd/4th. I don't remember the 3rd/4th ever interacting with the MC... though that could be because of The Eye's influence. While not a direct spawn, Alice was talked to during her evolution but never seen to be guided.

After writing this it almost seems personality-based on the apostle part...

 

[KingAgamemnon]

Is there any explanation why some of the apostles seem more willing to guide their spawn than others? Jake was shown to be directly talked to by the First (though it seemed more indirectly controlling than guiding.) Michael heard a voice just before evolving, granting him visions/knowledge of rites and a different way to use his evolution to gain strength. Even Ella was being talked to at multiple points by the 3rd/4th. I don't remember the 3rd/4th ever interacting with the MC... though that could be because of The Eye's influence. While not a direct spawn, Alice was talked to during her evolution but never seen to be guided.

After writing this it almost seems personality-based on the apostle part...

We aren't really sure. All we seem to know is that one) Memory is unique in preferring dual trait spawn to high single trait spawn, and two) that each of the Apostles have their own motivations and desires, which we don't really know.

 

[Dinoflaggelate]

Is there any explanation why some of the apostles seem more willing to guide their spawn than others? Jake was shown to be directly talked to by the First (though it seemed more indirectly controlling than guiding.) Michael heard a voice just before evolving, granting him visions/knowledge of rites and a different way to use his evolution to gain strength. Even Ella was being talked to at multiple points by the 3rd/4th. I don't remember the 3rd/4th ever interacting with the MC... though that could be because of The Eye's influence. While not a direct spawn, Alice was talked to during her evolution but never seen to be guided.

After writing this it almost seems personality-based on the apostle part...

I think it is just differing personalities and priorities. Like, from what Michael said about the visions the Power sends him, it actually wants him to someday fight it, so it gives him guidance on how to become strong enough to be a worthy foe. Meanwhile, the Ether is upset with Aos for rebelling against it, so the messages it sends Alice are attempts at enticing her into killing Aos for it. And then the Memory is judgemental and expects its spawn to be perfect, so it holds back and gives a minimum of assistance.

 

[Komdot]

fr, they should create a fansig for Eisheth, she's the hottest one in the game!

 

[Grimnir098]

Deryl sucks still aint forgiven that fucker. Jake was bitch made and it cost him every thing.

Ella can catch hands. Hopefully we can throw the gauntlet and actually kill her. Don't sit well with me to stab her while she's down even though that's exactly wtf she would do.

I never understood why people hate Deryl so much. What has he done that needs forgiveness?
The only thing I can think of, trying to kill the MC (twice), had extenuating circumstances (brainwashing, and then being a monster).
If you really hold that against him, you're the problem here.

 

[One_Black_Sun]

Monthly argument if ella is evil or not or a bitch or not or yap yap yap

People will do the wildest things for some goth/emo pussy.

 

[Jonathan Y]

Deryl sucks still aint forgiven that fucker. Jake was bitch made and it cost him every thing.

Ella can catch hands. Hopefully we can throw the gauntlet and actually kill her. Don't sit well with me to stab her while she's down even though that's exactly wtf she would do.

Man Deryl is a absolute bro idk what you're smoking.
Dude had the Mc's back countless times since you first start a new game.

 

[Jonathan Y]

Is there any explanation why some of the apostles seem more willing to guide their spawn than others? Jake was shown to be directly talked to by the First (though it seemed more indirectly controlling than guiding.) Michael heard a voice just before evolving, granting him visions/knowledge of rites and a different way to use his evolution to gain strength. Even Ella was being talked to at multiple points by the 3rd/4th. I don't remember the 3rd/4th ever interacting with the MC... though that could be because of The Eye's influence. While not a direct spawn, Alice was talked to during her evolution but never seen to be guided.

After writing this it almost seems personality-based on the apostle part...

Memory and Body did interact with him a bunch of times, ofc there's the first, then when he evolves to second Memory tells him to consume Klaus and possibly Alice.
During his third evolution he also tells Cole ''Mother thinks I could do it'', in regards to him being able to win.
Also they speak to him many times in his dreams when you got to bed before the H.E.R.O arc , I think even more often if you have high corruption.

Oh and also against the Myniak fight when one of them appears in Myniak's mind and makes it submit, although that may or may not be direct involvement from their part, I think it was.