BubbaJubbs

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Playing through this masterpiece for the 10th time and have a few questions I'm hoping someone can answer.

1. Are there ever any hints given as to what monsters each captain got their powers from?

2. Of the five captains, is it ever explained or hinted at how Bernhardt is so absurdly powerful even compared to S+ monsters?

3. Is Bramon Xanthe a superhuman himself? Got curious after Henri mentions that Xanthe can directly put knowledge from his brain into books, though Klaus says he isn't.

4. What is the difference between a pure spawn and a greater spawn?
 

BubbaJubbs

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So is this next update the final one (barring minor patches to fix bugs or other things)? I discovered this game just over a week ago, and I only just finished up to the current end.
Very likely it won't be the end of the story given how many loose threads and plot points need to be finished, though I've got no clue if that'll be done in a sequel or if this game will just keep receiving updates.
 
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So is this next update the final one (barring minor patches to fix bugs or other things)? I discovered this game just over a week ago, and I only just finished up to the current end.
I would imagine 3 more updates. IIRC arcs tend to split up into 2 updates, considering this is the final arc i imagine there would be lots of epilogue stuff, so 3 seems reasonable.
 
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Playing through this masterpiece for the 10th time and have a few questions I'm hoping someone can answer.

1. Are there ever any hints given as to what monsters each captain got their powers from?

2. Of the five captains, is it ever explained or hinted at how Bernhardt is so absurdly powerful even compared to S+ monsters?

3. Is Bramon Xanthe a superhuman himself? Got curious after Henri mentions that Xanthe can directly put knowledge from his brain into books, though Klaus says he isn't.

4. What is the difference between a pure spawn and a greater spawn?
1. Not much. Nico says that Bernhardt's and Malik's monsters are pretty common species when talking about how personal effort matters more to growth than monster parent. And Eisheth says something about Bernhardt's monster being a "wind imp". But that's it, as far as I remember.

2. Nope. The best we've got is the Eye saying in one of its Dead Ends that Bernhardt is "old, but somehow unbound". Nyx said he got his powers later in life than the rest of the captains, so he likely is the oldest superhuman alive, but how that translates into greater strength is anyone's guess.

3. I don't think so. Henri says that Bramon's mind-to-printing ability is from an "augmentation", not a superhuman power. Some sort of cybernetic interface, maybe.

4. Going by Eisheth's comments, "greater spawn" is likely a term for a level 5 superhuman. A pure spawn is a superhuman who got their powers from an Apostle.
 

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I would imagine 3 more updates. IIRC arcs tend to split up into 2 updates, considering this is the final arc i imagine there would be lots of epilogue stuff, so 3 seems reasonable.
Arcs are usually a bit longer imo. I'm thinking four or five updates or so. I guess it depends if you consider the lead up to the twin arc and the Shen Illusion stuff the same arc, which I do.
 
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in other news ive finally caught up with all the content and i gotta say its a little bit of a bummer that almost all of doll ella's sex scenes are tied to if you said you hated big ella and not to if you had feelings for her.

I was looking forward to some solid hate-fuck content as she slowly wins MC over, like she says herself "hating her and having feelings for her aren't mutually exclusive," and you're allowed to get the very first scene with doll ella if you hate her/had feelings for her, just not any of the following ones for some reason.

i really hope this doesnt mean you'll be locked out of big ella's romance path if you hate her
 
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in other news ive finally caught up with all the content and i gotta say its a little bit of a bummer that almost all of doll ella's sex scenes are tied to if you said you hated big ella and not to if you had feelings for her.

I was looking forward to some solid hate-fuck content, like she says herself "hating her and having feelings for her aren't mutually exclusive," and you're allowed to get the very first scene with doll ella if you hate her/had feelings for her, just not any of the following ones for some reason.

i really hope this doesnt mean you'll be locked out of big ella's romance path if you hate her
i mean if hate someone you wouldnt wanna romance them usually?
 
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Playing through this masterpiece for the 10th time and have a few questions I'm hoping someone can answer.

1. Are there ever any hints given as to what monsters each captain got their powers from?


4. What is the difference between a pure spawn and a greater spawn?

I think Nyx's monster is related to or is that A rank Michaeal and the Mc tag teamed, that could return from death, at the end of the update. Doll Ella said that it would keep reviving until it ran out of energy. Didn't Nyx tell Mc that her powers wouldn't let her die even when she couldn't fight against the ghosts she killed. In the battle of Diamonds Ella said Nyx's powers was a unique and powerful adaptation of some monsters she kept around. So maybe Nyx's ability to revive people besides herself was something she gained in later evolutions, hence an adaptation.

Syla said greater spawns should be pure and implied that the other apostles will not tolerate their spawns being impure, but she didn't say only apostles produce greater spawn. So, I think a greater spawn refers to a superhuman infected by an A rank or higher monster and a pure spawn is someone who's powers aren't influenced by other monsters unrelated to their infector's.
 

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Thanks to everybody who answered the questions I had. I heard there's going to be an update released soon. Has WW said what all new content is included in it?
 
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i mean if hate someone you wouldnt wanna romance them usually?
I mean, the game def sets up Ella as a super complicated enemies-to-lovers thing, and like I said, Ella points out herself that you can have feelings for someone and still hate them. After all, I assume there is a reason the game specifically asked those as two separate questions.


My hope was that being forced to spend these months together with “her” could change an MC’s mind about her, especially as you learn the truth about your shared past. But unfortunately if you hate her, you also miss out on little dialogue scenes like her wishing you a happy birthday on top of missing the sex scenes.
 

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i mean if hate someone you wouldnt wanna romance them usually?
Obsession is obsession and humans are weird and the connections we form are often paradoxical in nature. Sometimes fighting, competing and harassing one another becomes such a common occurrence that we adapt to the strain to the point that life without it feels empty. Such antagonism can not only drain you, but constantly challenge you to be more resilient, more aware and stronger.
Can't play nice with one another, can't be without each other.

And for better or worse, Ella just behaves a lot with the intention of becoming such a catalyst. Siren, Antagonist, Lover. Mentor. Predator. Schemer.
The worst part about her is that she knows you know. That's her game and she still challenges you to beat her. And you know she'd be absolutely exhilarated if you won.

I still think what WW has done here is brilliant. Every argument about Ella just proves it.
 

BubbaJubbs

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Obsession is obsession and humans are weird and the connections we form are often paradoxical in nature. Sometimes fighting, competing and harassing one another becomes such a common occurrence that we adapt to the strain to the point that life without it feels empty. Such antagonism can not only drain you, but constantly challenge you to be more resilient, more aware and stronger.
Can't play nice with one another, can't be without each other.

And for better or worse, Ella just behaves a lot with the intention of becoming such a catalyst. Siren, Antagonist, Lover. Mentor. Predator. Schemer.
The worst part about her is that she knows you know. That's her game and she still challenges you to beat her. And you know she'd be absolutely exhilarated if you won.

I still think what WW has done here is brilliant. Every argument about Ella just proves it.
As much as her sneakiness and manipulation piss me off I love Ella as a character and this game would be worse without her. The fact that a fictional character is able to actually frustrate and (on my first playthrough) surprise me shows just how well written she is.
 

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If this person thinks this, then they didn't even play pass the mall event, since the game literally tells you that all the side content can (and should) be finished before continuing the story, as it will be inacessible afterwards. Also we have a warning, from Ella herself, that if we don't train, we die. So any player will make it a second nature to always train as soon as we have the option.
It's funny to me that this is even in the game. Imagine caring about socializing when you discovered kick ass supernatural powers. My family, much less my friends, wouldn't see me for years as I engaged in a hermit training arc.
 

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I mean, the game def sets up Ella as a super complicated enemies-to-lovers thing, and like I said, Ella points out herself that you can have feelings for someone and still hate them. After all, I assume there is a reason the game specifically asked those as two separate questions.


My hope was that being forced to spend these months together with “her” could change an MC’s mind about her, especially as you learn the truth about your shared past. But unfortunately if you hate her, you also miss out on little dialogue scenes like her wishing you a happy birthday on top of missing the sex scenes.
Always hoped that would be changed / fixed.
i mean betraying ella should've been the only route for hate ella imo.
she doesn't forgive.
 
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I mean, the game def sets up Ella as a super complicated enemies-to-lovers thing, and like I said, Ella points out herself that you can have feelings for someone and still hate them. After all, I assume there is a reason the game specifically asked those as two separate questions.


My hope was that being forced to spend these months together with “her” could change an MC’s mind about her, especially as you learn the truth about your shared past. But unfortunately if you hate her, you also miss out on little dialogue scenes like her wishing you a happy birthday on top of missing the sex scenes.
I wouldn't say it's the same case.
Sure, the players can chose if they like some characters or not. That's their prerogative.
But as far as story writting goes, the MC most definitely does not hate Ella. His feelings are conflicted, but at most he's angry and disapproving, not hateful.
 
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