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I personally think he will never get these powers because he is the descendant of a monster specializing in transformation, not a monster specializing in mind manipulation (like Jack was). He could learn things like repairing a damaged brain, but that will still be only physical transformation. But I'm not sure if his mind is sharp enough for that, because brain surgery is on a whole different level than what he's doing now.
In a bad end with Ella it's confirmed that you inherited the traits from _both_ the third and the fourth however, meaning that yes you are the descendant of both, the choice in the beginning being the main one. So yes as stated his specialty is both transformation and memory, he just hasn't trained the memory part of his powers nearly as much as he has the transformations.

Edit: To elaborate a little more, something capable of brushing off a numbered and causing Ella, who's normally flippant towards everything, to stand there shaking in fear, showed up purely because you were there. If you only had the transformation specialty this would not have happened.

In my headcanon this could be because those two traits in combination with each other could be capable of replicating every other trait, provided you either consume/properly dive into someones memories/dna to be able to copy the functions that cause the powers to manifest. Like a combination of Sylar and whathisface from Hero. Personally I have a hard time seeing what else could cause something that seems to be above the numbered to care otherwise.
 
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DrakoGhoul

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Don't worry about that. WeirdWorld isn't exactly very communicative here, though I wouldn't be surprised if they read some of the theorizing from time to time and smirk. So far, as far as my memory goes, we barely got close but never spot on.


I'm not gonna blame you, Boo. I have yet to get a game that grips me as much as this one. If, once it's finished, WeirdWorld decide to stop there and doesn't make another project, I'm gonna be fucking mourning. Their writting is fucking masterpiece-level.


Wouldn't be the first time we say evidence is piling up to confirm something, just for us to be completely fucking wrong :KEK:
Ahem :(

Alright, I reached Oscar part again and it seems close enough with a little bit of different details. His memory was pretty sketchy from the attack though. It somewhat gives me a bit of doubt now but here's what we know currently.

- Oscar was attacked by a monster with his sister years ago. His family all being killed except his sister.

- His said sister disappeared after the fight but we assume she's still alive.

- Charlie recalls someone(her brother?) fighting something considered a big freak and them telling her to run. As far as we can tell, Charlie doesn't have any living family besides her brother.

Now this part includes Ella and how she's maybe manipulating Charlie a bit.

- Charlie said she won't work/fight for Ella or Jared's father.

- Ella tells her she knows where her brother is located but it's bad news.

- She then states to Charlie that this is why they need to fight "them" after telling her something about her brother's location.

Piecing it all together

- Who do we know that has a sister for sure? Oscar.

- Who currently has Oscar(corpse)? Hero.

- Who's Ella's enemy that she needs to fight? Hero Organization.

- Charlie, who wasn't before, is now determined to help Ella against her enemy and rescue her brother.

- Who would possibly need rescue or is in a perceived position that requires it from Hero? Oscar(even though he's dead).

- Ella states that Charlie is currently not skilled enough to fight the "bastard", as Charlie calls them, who did it.

- Only skilled enemies that are worth mentioning are apart of Hero. Michael as well, I guess, if Ella went that far with it.

- Charlie's obviously a Superhuman, possibly lvl 2 or higher. It limits the range of known enemies, a lot.

Now Ella could've obviously just lied about everything and made something up that included the MC, if he's her brother. She would had to have lied hard and said someone from Hero kidnapped him. If that's the "them" Ella's referring to during that part.

This legit could be anyone, but it's seems to point to Oscar, who has a missing sister, that we know of. If we replace the "someone" Charlie remembers fighting with the MC's Dad(since his eye is also damaged), I can kind of see how you can make it work without having the MC knowing or remembering he has a sister. If they both were young when it happened.

I guess this is something we'll have to find out next update. It can lead to many outcomes. I'm leaning toward Oscar(though I don't know how his pre superhuman self looked) but I can see it being anyone else, like the MC or even an out there choice like Deus.
Sadge, you forgor. I thought you were my friend? How could you have forgotten that? My crowning achievement and you were apart of that! :cry:

:KEK: Anyway, yeah, I'll definitely miss this game when it's over(sequel?). I don't even treat this game like a H-Game. It's long since crossed over into my top favorite games of all time. WW the GOAT. Gave me my Red and Blue haired women I've been simping for and everything. Monster Booty is up next and hopefully Mommy 4th before it's all done.
 
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Ahem :(


Sadge, you forgor. I thought you were my friend? How could you have forgotten that? My crowning achievement and you were apart of that! :cry:

:KEK: Anyway, yeah, I'll definitely miss this game when it's over(sequel?). I don't even treat this game like a H-Game. It's long since crossed over into my top favorite games of all time. WW the GOAT. Gave me my Red and Blue haired women I've been simping for and everything. Monster Booty is up next and hopefully Mommy 4th before it's all done.
Sorry I indeed forgot. Because of my dissapointment of being wrong about the MC finding a sister. :KEK:
 
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In a bad end with Ella it's confirmed that you inherited the traits from _both_ the third and the fourth however, meaning that yes you are the descendant of both, the choice in the beginning being the main one. So yes as stated his specialty is both transformation and memory, he just hasn't trained the memory part of his powers nearly as much as he has the transformations.

Edit: To elaborate a little more, something capable of brushing off a numbered and causing Ella, who's normally flippant towards everything, to stand there shaking in fear, showed up purely because you were there. If you only had the transformation specialty this would not have happened.

In my headcanon this could be because those two traits in combination with each other could be capable of replicating every other trait, provided you either consume/properly dive into someones memories/dna to be able to copy the functions that cause the powers to manifest. Like a combination of Sylar and whathisface from Hero. Personally I have a hard time seeing what else could cause something that seems to be above the numbered to care otherwise.
This is something that i have been thinking for some time, Deryl once mentioned while taking a look at mc's DNA that he was what thousand years of evolution at the most harsh enviroments would do to a human. During mc's evolution we learn that whatever makes superhuman powerfull is inscribed on their DNA.

Mc's shapeshifting powers are based on changes at molecular level (including DNA), so if superpowers exist because the DNA of superhumans change to allow such powers, a shapeshifter who knows how to replicate the specific DNA that manifests an specific power would be able to use potentially any superpower in existence.

Of course the capacity to replicate the DNA of a power doesn't mean the ability to do, mc already mentioned how difficult it is to focus on such small changes.

However mc shows the ability to perfectly replicate the DNA of people he touches, or at least their appearances thanks to his memory abilities. Thus copying DNA including the parts responsible for superpowers would allow him to be THE most powerfull creature, this goes along the theory that 3rd and 4rth want mc's body to become one as the ultimate monster.
 

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This is something that i have been thinking for some time, Deryl once mentioned while taking a look at mc's DNA that he was what thousand years of evolution at the most harsh enviroments would do to a human. During mc's evolution we learn that whatever makes superhuman powerfull is inscribed on their DNA.
Yeah my thinking is in the same vein, the memory portion of those powers would have to be what would allow the replication of powers otherwise Ella would've likely already done so, seeing as how she's got perfect molecular control over herself. Would be interesting to see if he had the perfect dna of an animal he shapeshifted into, such that he's practically indistinguishable from said animal by normal scientific means. There could also obviously be a metaphysical component to the memory powers once they're evolved enough that would be what actually allows the more supernatural parts of the powers to function. In any case I'm looking forward to seeing where the story goes.

Another pet theory I have is that Ella has seen the thing that kills you in one of the bad ends before, and it's what she's working towards stopping, and your two traits in combination is one of the (maybe the only) ways to stop it, to be able to fully consume it or something. Or maybe she just wants to become it, either way I think she knows about it.

Edit: This monologue when you consume Danica seems to foreshadow it as well. Once his vessel isn't weak and frail anymore, who's to say what could happen.
 
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Possibly, but level 2 Jake? Against level 5s, In terms of how dangerous they can be? I don't think so. As for a hypothetical level 5 Jake being the most dangerous, I disagree for the simple fact that someone with a power like Valravn's would kill Jake, if they were also level 5. Maybe even level 4 actually since none of Jake's known abilities would get around Valravn's passive.

It's also too early to say because we don't know how fights between level 5s work yet. There could be more to it then just them wielding their powers against each other.
Exactly you never really you never know how his skill tree is gonna develop
 

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I personally think he will never get these powers because he is the descendant of a monster specializing in transformation, not a monster specializing in mind manipulation (like Jack was). He could learn things like repairing a damaged brain, but that will still be only physical transformation. But I'm not sure if his mind is sharp enough for that, because brain surgery is on a whole different level than what he's doing now.
But both monsters can be the "main" parent of the MC, not everyone went with the shape shifter one, and I highly doubt that the author will have separate paths in the story to accomodate that so getting stronger mind powers make sense too. I mean that's the main point that makes the MC special, he inherited traits from 2 monsters at the same time instead of just one. Not saying that he will get something on Jake's level whose specialty is mind control, but reading people's minds without touching them doesn't sound like a stretch, and there could always be drawbacks to keep the MC from abusing it.
 

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But both monsters can be the "main" parent of the MC, not everyone went with the shape shifter one, and I highly doubt that the author will have separate paths in the story to accomodate that so getting stronger mind powers make sense too.
There is no difference between the two monsters and weirdworld has already said that it has no effect on the story.
A different scene is all you get.

I mean that's the main point that makes the MC special, he inherited traits from 2 monsters at the same time instead of just one. Not saying that he will get something on Jake's level whose specialty is mind control, but reading people's minds without touching them doesn't sound like a stretch, and there could always be drawbacks to keep the MC from abusing it.
It fascinates me how many people associate his ability to copy information into his core with some kind of mind bending ability. MC has no mental powers. If he touches an animal, he can copy its DNA and store it in his core (which is in his head most of the time). He can then use certain parts of this DNA and incorporate them into his body. You could say that in order to create something, he first needs to get a template to know how the given thing is structured.

If he touches a human, he won't gain much because he already knows how the human body works. In theory, he doesn't need to touch someone in order to imitate the appearance of a person (his original female form is proof of that), but if he does, the result is much better and more believable. However, the brain is too complex for him (as I said, some things are beyond the MC's mental capacity) and therefore a single touch is not enough for him to copy its contents. The best he can do is read current thoughts. If he wanted a copy of the contents of the entire brain, he would have to devour it, but that would (obviously) kill that person. I think at lvl 3 the MC could get an ability that would allow him to read a person's memory by touch, not only current thoughts, but that's about it.

The way I see it, what makes MC special is the ability to make perfect copies. That's why Ella told you (one of the bad endings when she kills you if you tell her what you can do) that you were perfect right from the beginning. Other shapeshifters must imagine how they would like to look and then adapt their body. Such a shapeshifter can imagine a giant scorpion stinger, fill it with muscle mass, and then use it relatively effectively. However, there will be no poison. Their copies are only second-rate imitations. The fact that the MC needs to collect manuals first made him weaker in the beginning, but the bigger his database, the stronger he is, as he can combine these manuals with each other to create crazy original creations. Something like his "Mantis Shrimp Punch" is completely beyond the capabilities of normal shapeshifters.
 

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I think you have some things off.
1. WW has said there's no effect on the story for what monster you pick, but not that they're identical. They are explicitly two different beings with different names, numbers, and powers, one of them being the 3rd (Body) and the other being the 4th (Memory) (I might have these backwards, but fuck it). Like, I doubt two of the remaining 6 apostles would just be the same thing.
2. MC can read memories by touch, he does it a lot. He does it when training, and during interrogations. He regularly pulls up non surface thoughts, when he has time to do it, such as with Deryl and kind of Demi. (He also needs to do it to make perfect copies of even normal humans. He can't copy Deryl, even though he spent a big chunk of his life growing up with him, until he touches him after getting his powers.)
 

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I do wonder at some point much like how the MC can copy the DNA of a human or other animal on Earth if he were to reach a higher level could he also start trying to copy the DNA of monsters?

With that in mind, I wonder why the MC hasn't thought about copying the DNA of dinosaurs and other animals that are extinct that are far more powerful and deadly compared to modern animals (I'm sure that's been asked before of course tho).
 

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In a bad end with Ella it's confirmed that you inherited the traits from _both_ the third and the fourth however, meaning that yes you are the descendant of both, the choice in the beginning being the main one. So yes as stated his specialty is both transformation and memory, he just hasn't trained the memory part of his powers nearly as much as he has the transformations.

Edit: To elaborate a little more, something capable of brushing off a numbered and causing Ella, who's normally flippant towards everything, to stand there shaking in fear, showed up purely because you were there. If you only had the transformation specialty this would not have happened.

In my headcanon this could be because those two traits in combination with each other could be capable of replicating every other trait, provided you either consume/properly dive into someones memories/dna to be able to copy the functions that cause the powers to manifest. Like a combination of Sylar and whathisface from Hero. Personally I have a hard time seeing what else could cause something that seems to be above the numbered to care otherwise.
For me, it's the opposite. The Dark Glowing Eye Monster was there for the 4th. My thoughts on it is it's the Dark God/King lesser form. It's the main part that remained after the Numbered split from it. To regain it's full power, it most likely needs to consume the Numbered as they represent "parts" of itself and the power it originally owned. It only seems to manifest when a Numbered is involved, as you can see from the 4th and Valravn popping a boner when the 2nd arrived.

Valravn statements are really important for this because he's assumed to be a spawn of said monster. Him calling Mommy "The Memory" and the 3rd "The Body" seem to line up with the thinking. He also sees the 2nd as his enermy and that his prayers can now be answered as he flys out looking for his king(?) after the 2nd arrived.

This also leads to one of the reasons why the Numbered don't stay on this plane for too long. The Dark Monster might only be able to reach them while they're not in their own plane/realm. You might be wondering why it didn't attack them in the beginning then? The simple answer is that the 3rd and 4th together would be too much for it, currently. When Mommy stayed for too long, by herself, it ate her. When the 2nd manifested, Valravn quickly left to look around because the 2nd wouldn't stay for long. This indicates that his king, if it's the Dark Monster, is only interested in showing up when it's a Numbered.

There's also Xanthe. He hints that Tiffany's monster may have been one of the 12 Numbered(7th - 12th) and stated that said monster corpse was a "part" of a greater monster originally, made from it's own body. Which would circle back to the Numbered's name actually representing the part that split from the monster. If Tiff's monster is a deceased numbered.

Of the current Numbered, we know that:

The 1st represents "The Authority"
The 2nd represents "The Power"(?)
The 3rd represents "The Body"
The 4th represents "The Memory"

From all of this, we can then draw the conclusion that it wasn't there for the MC but for the 4th, which it consumed. It only killed the MC, and likely Ella, because they're direct spawns of the 3rd and 4th. If we follow this line of thinking then the MC was just unlucky to be there. If it wanted the MC, specifically, it had ample opportunities to get him over the course of the game. The 4th though? She rarely appears and when she did, alone, it came for her. Of these 2, only one of them are hard to get and they so happened to kill and consume that one immediately.

As for the MC's power. It is minuscule compared to this Dark Monster's assumed original power. Especially so when you realize that it had both the 3rd and 4th's power as it's own originally. Even the MC's hypothetical full potential wouldn't hold a candle to a being that all of monster powers originated from in the first place.

That's it, that's the theory, for the most part. There's more to it but I just put the more straightforward stuff down. It's mostly from all of the info currently in the game. If you're curious about where these are all stated at, I'll list them for you here:

- The Dead End with Ella and the 4th for the Dark Monster appearance, obviously. Though you can see it in the MC's dream after he reached lvl 2. A detail that's actually interesting because he never saw it and it scared him more than the other monsters.

- For the Xanthe's part, it's when Tiff gets turned into a Superhuman.

- Most of Valravn scenes have info so I'd suggest just reading all of them. That includes the flashback during the MC's fight where you see Valravn getting turned by the Dark Monster(notice it's hand is the same that killed the 4th on that dead end).

- For the Numbered's naming, you'll have to do a playthrough for the 3rd to see Valravn calling it "The Body" and learning that it struggled with the MC at the beginning. You'll also learn that Ella is a spawn of it.

- For the 1st being called "The Authority", you'll see that after Ella and Jake escape HERO Base. I also advise seeing Jake's death scene as you get to see the 1st in it's plane before the 3rd and 4th attack it.

Also, I can't stress this enough. It's just a theory. It's all still a mystery, especially for this Numbered stuff. I do believe Valravn's card may have the important pieces of information that could bring us closer to the truth though. If we ever get that here or it's told in game, we should be closer to the answer.

I think you have some things off.
1. WW has said there's no effect on the story for what monster you pick, but not that they're identical. They are explicitly two different beings with different names, numbers, and powers, one of them being the 3rd (Body) and the other being the 4th (Memory) (I might have these backwards, but fuck it). Like, I doubt two of the remaining 6 apostles would just be the same thing.
You're right about the 3rd and 4th. The Dev has already shown the difference between the 2 in game. Even the opening at the start shows a clear difference. A difference that gets expanded on later depending on who you chose. Only way you wouldn't notice these 2 are different being is if you only did one playthrough.

If you chose the 3rd, who's called "The Body", it struggles to read through the MC's memories and decides to use it's tentacles on his brain directly.

If you chose Mommy 4th, who's called "The Memory", she looks through the MC's everything without touching him at all. A detail the MC notes later, by the way.

At most, the 3rd and 4th are twins, beings that came into existence at the same time together. Maybe even originally one singular being that split again after the original split. They share the same abilities but it's clear by their name and what they've shown, that they specialize in their fields.

That ends my wall of text, for today. :KEK:
 

Edvin

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I do wonder at some point much like how the MC can copy the DNA of a human or other animal on Earth if he were to reach a higher level could he also start trying to copy the DNA of monsters?

With that in mind, I wonder why the MC hasn't thought about copying the DNA of dinosaurs and other animals that are extinct that are far more powerful and deadly compared to modern animals (I'm sure that's been asked before of course tho).
Yes, this is the correct and logical direction for MC powers to evolve :)

I guess the only reason he can't do it yet is a lack of power and experiences, but he should already have the potential to do it now. After all, it has been said that the DNA of superhumans is much more advanced than the DNA of humans. If this is true, then the monster's DNA must be at an even higher level. So the monster's DNA might be too complex for the MC, or simply his own cellular form is not strong enough to use such DNA at all. But this problem can be solved through experience and practice, or by gaining more pure power, which is expected at the next level of evolution. But this isn't a new ability, it's just an improvement on one of his existing ones. It is hard to guess if he will reach a sufficient level of power already at level 3 or level 5.
 

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Lol the wait. At last we will know why the little Rat sold us out, michael power, If alice lvls up or bite the bullet, if we go lvl3 or W.W keeps being a tease. Maybe spank redhead boyband reject. And Many more cus so much shit at the same time XD
 
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