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I thought M-33 was a class. Not a specific monster. Because they say oh it's a special m-33 and such
Its more like M-33 is the species classification and class denotes the power in relation to superhumans and other monsters. Its also a classification specifically used by H.E.R.O and Xanthe. Ella and the others don't bother; they seem to be able to talk directly to the monsters and have no need to classify them that way

Classifications like the "First" or "Fourth" or "Memory" are (at the moment I believe) not known to H.E.R.O. AFAIK Valravn is the only in-story character with the full knowledge of the significance of the numbers and titles. Ella just describes the 3rd and 4th as incredibly strong and high up in the hierarchy of monsters. She may know more it isn't really indicated
 
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Was it ever confirmed if Alice, Deryl or Michaels monster parent were Apostles. OR was it just Mc and Jake
The Apostles, or Lords so far, are as follows-
The 1st, Authority. Jake's monster parent.
The 2nd, unnamed, maybe Power/Energy. Michael's monster parent.
The 3rd, Body. Ella's monster parent. Can also be MC's.
The 4th, Memory. MC's other option. Note that both 3rd and 4th were involved in both Ella and MC's infections.
The 7th, so far known to us as Unknown, referenced as the Lord of Dark. Valravn's progenitor.
Unnumbered- Tiffany's is heavily implied to be an Apostle/Lord, having been the strongest recorded, and an avatar.
Its power is connected to light. Perhaps a counterpart to the 7th. Claudia's is "similar", and likely also an Apostle/Lord.
From Valravn's monster report, we know that Valravn was personally raised by the 7th, Lord of Dark's avatar.
In case it seemed I was declaring conjecture as fact.
The fairy is not an Apostle/Lord.
 

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The Apostles, or Lords so far, are as follows-
The 1st, Authority. Jake's monster parent.
The 2nd, unnamed, maybe Power/Energy. Michael's monster parent.
The 3rd, Body. Ella's monster parent. Can also be MC's.
The 4th, Memory. MC's other option. Note that both 3rd and 4th were involved in both Ella and MC's infections.
The 7th, so far known to us as Unknown, referenced as the Lord of Dark. Valravn's progenitor.
Unnumbered- Tiffany's is heavily implied to be an Apostle/Lord, having been the strongest recorded, and an avatar.
Its power is connected to light. Perhaps a counterpart to the 7th. Claudia's is "similar", and likely also an Apostle/Lord.
From Valravn's monster report, we know that Valravn was personally raised by the 7th, Lord of Dark's avatar.
In case it seemed I was declaring conjecture as fact.
The fairy is not an Apostle/Lord.
wait hol up you got valravn monster report?!
 
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Neverwonder

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The Apostles, or Lords so far, are as follows-
The 1st, Authority. Jake's monster parent.
The 2nd, unnamed, maybe Power/Energy. Michael's monster parent.
The 3rd, Body. Ella's monster parent. Can also be MC's.
The 4th, Memory. MC's other option. Note that both 3rd and 4th were involved in both Ella and MC's infections.
The 7th, so far known to us as Unknown, referenced as the Lord of Dark. Valravn's progenitor.
Unnumbered- Tiffany's is heavily implied to be an Apostle/Lord, having been the strongest recorded, and an avatar.
Its power is connected to light. Perhaps a counterpart to the 7th. Claudia's is "similar", and likely also an Apostle/Lord.
From Valravn's monster report, we know that Valravn was personally raised by the 7th, Lord of Dark's avatar.
In case it seemed I was declaring conjecture as fact.
The fairy is not an Apostle/Lord.
can you share that pls
 
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DrakoGhoul

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I thought M-33 was a class. Not a specific monster. Because they say oh it's a special m-33 and such
Basically what devilsdetails said. For example the Lightning Monster that Michael fought is called the Leigong but it's species is listed as M-59. If I remember them right. Here's the other species

Minyak species = M-22(or 24?)
Leigong species = M-59
Gestas(Danica's) species = M-65
Luz Mala(Klaus) species = M-37
Wepwawet(Oscar) species = M-46
Himavat species = M-17

And so on.

Its more like M-33 is the species classification and class denotes the power in relation to superhumans and other monsters. Its also a classification specifically used by H.E.R.O and Xanthe. Ella and the others don't bother; they seem to be able to talk directly to the monsters and have no need to classify them that way

Classifications like the "First" or "Fourth" or "Memory" are (at the moment I believe) not known to H.E.R.O. AFAIK Valravn is the only in-story character with the full knowledge of the significance of the numbers and titles. Ella just describes the 3rd and 4th as incredibly strong and high up in the hierarchy of monsters. She may know more it isn't really indicated
Yep, HERO doesn't know about the Numbered. If Tiffany's monster is really a Numbered corpse like we think, then that proves they don't know much. That said, whoever told them about it being a part of a great monster likely knows. Especially so since they know where another "unique" monster corpse is for Claudia. It's probably Deus and I wouldn't be shocking if he knew a lot more as well.

The Apostles, or Lords so far, are as follows-
The 1st, Authority. Jake's monster parent.
The 2nd, unnamed, maybe Power/Energy. Michael's monster parent.
The 3rd, Body. Ella's monster parent. Can also be MC's.
The 4th, Memory. MC's other option. Note that both 3rd and 4th were involved in both Ella and MC's infections.
The 7th, so far known to us as Unknown, referenced as the Lord of Dark. Valravn's progenitor.
Unnumbered- Tiffany's is heavily implied to be an Apostle/Lord, having been the strongest recorded, and an avatar.
Its power is connected to light. Perhaps a counterpart to the 7th. Claudia's is "similar", and likely also an Apostle/Lord.
From Valravn's monster report, we know that Valravn was personally raised by the 7th, Lord of Dark's avatar.
In case it seemed I was declaring conjecture as fact.
The fairy is not an Apostle/Lord.
The 7th huh? Well, that's not surprising since most of us thought he was a Numbered to begin with(not that anyone knew it was the 7th prior) but this could mean 1 of 2 things currently.

Either, the 8th through 12th aren't actually dead and fractured into a separate faction from the Numbered to be called "Lords" or the fact that there's Numbered corpse laying around, it hints that it slaughtered them all itself. Which doesn't really change much from what we know. Besides the 7th being alive, I guess. Now that Dark Moon scene brings more questions.
 

Aristarkhos

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Either, the 8th through 12th aren't actually dead and fractured into a separate faction from the Numbered to be called "Lords" or the fact that there's Numbered corpse laying around, it hints that it slaughtered them all itself. Which doesn't really change much from what we know. Besides the 7th being alive, I guess. Now that Dark Moon scene brings more questions.
I don't personally think any of them are actually dead.
The conversation that mentions avatars implies it.
"If it's so powerful, how is it dead?" - Tiffany
"We believe the corpse to be a part of a greater whole. An avatar through which a great monster acts." -Xanthe
The Valravn report also specifically notes the 7th as using an avatar. Their avatars have been killed, but those are avatars.
And Ella does specifically note them as being invincible. Though that could easily be hyperbole.
Also, personally, I think Lords is their actual name. Apostle is from the Patreon, remember.
And Valravn specifically says that the monsters are acting on their own- at least, until the advent of their Lords.
 
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DrakoGhoul

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I don't personally think any of them are actually dead.
The conversation that mentions avatars implies it.
"If it's so powerful, how is it dead?" - Tiffany
"We believe the corpse to be a part of a greater whole. An avatar through which a great monster acts." -Xanthe
The Valravn report also specifically notes the 7th as using an avatar. Their avatars have been killed, but those are avatars.
And Ella does specifically note them as being invincible. Though that could easily be hyperbole.
Also, personally, I think Lords is their actual name. Apostle is from the Patreon, remember.
And Valravn specifically says that the monsters are acting on their own- at least, until the advent of their Lords.
So, if we take the avatar thing as being correct. Then what's the deal with the 1st vs the 3rd and 4th? Was that actually the 1st in it's plane or just an avatar? The same goes for the 3rd and 4th that attacked it. What about the 2nd appearing. Was that just an avatar or was it the actual thing and that's why it couldn't last long on earth? Because it was manifesting from far away as Valravn said, in reference to the Lords calling from distant lands.

Then there's also the part about the 7-12(or 8-12 now) being potentially "dead". What purpose would it serve to kill an avatar if the monster is still there? Unless, "killing" them blocks their actual self from manifesting later and puts them back to sleep. This avatar stuff just makes the Dark Monster or "the 7th" now seem weaker in my eyes, somehow. :KEK:

This info just might make me limit the scope of some of my theories. As for the Numbered = Lords thing. While it did get confusing between those two, it's good to know that they're possibly the same. That way, we know for sure that the Numbered\Lords are the strongest after this Dark God. It narrows down the theories a lot as well.

I also hate you now. You just gave me the biggest urge to install the game again and play. I barely resisted! I'm obviously joking.
 
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This is the new mascot of the forum XD cus you are blueballing us so hard W.W you fucking sadist
I thought he had made it clear on patreon that the update would be out late April/early May. I personally think it will be out by mid May. Unexpected shit comes up all the time which is completely understandable - we should give him some leeway here and we need to be patient.
 
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I thought he had made it clear on patreon that the update would be out late April/early May. I personally think it will be out by mid May. Unexpected shit comes up all the time which is completely understandable - we should give him some leeway here and we need to be patient.
We are not demanding a release, we are impatient about the upcoming release. Those are two seperate things. Just because I'm impatiently waiting for the update doesn't mean it was a long wait or that the dev has to release it at the near future.

I have been waiting for this update since the last updates release date. If it was possible, I would want the whole completed game, today. Fuck today, right now. I wanna play the whole game, right now. Do you feel me
 
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I mean I'm sure it'll be alot of narrative content but don't go expecting to much. Fights tend alot more art intensive than the rest of the game of course. Fully half of our reading is likely to be people getting metaphorically fucked, not literally...which I'm all here for I bust more nuts to the lore any ways.
 

necromater

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I mean I'm sure it'll be alot of narrative content but don't go expecting to much. Fights tend alot more art intensive than the rest of the game of course. Fully half of our reading is likely to be people getting metaphorically fucked, not literally...which I'm all here for I bust more nuts to the lore any ways.
Everyone is here for the lore minus drako he just wants to see how much of a monster he can be and the dogclappers to see if the MC knots Someone at last XD
 

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Everyone is here for the lore minus drako he just wants to see how much of a monster he can be and the dogclappers to see if the MC knots Someone at last XD
You see, fine sir, we Shadow Loyalists do not wish to be lumped in with the dogclappers you speak of; we are loyal to the fair and best girl, Lady Shadow, while the dogclappers only want to knot any hoochie they can. We do not expect to knot the fair lady...but we beg upon the great Sage Weird to toss us a bone!

Glory to Lady Shadow, down with all the other thots!
 

nsfwdemanded

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I mean I'm sure it'll be alot of narrative content but don't go expecting to much. Fights tend alot more art intensive than the rest of the game of course. Fully half of our reading is likely to be people getting metaphorically fucked, not literally...which I'm all here for I bust more nuts to the lore any ways.
nope, even at the end of the previous update, WW said that he was looking to make this update for a long time. I'm sure he wouldn't be content with just a "meh" update. It's gonna bbe 10/10
 

necromater

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nope, even at the end of the previous update, WW said that he was looking to make this update for a long time. I'm sure he wouldn't be content with just a "meh" update. It's gonna bbe 10/10
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Aye sure gonna be legendary but till then the mascot is gonna remind you of the índigo balls people have right now XD because we are way pass blue XD
 
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