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Also, Clark's power is under the 8th Apostle, which is most likely Light, with Tiffany. Not the 2nd Apostle's Power Trait. Danica's power might also be under it as well as it's called "Cross Light", though her parent, M-65 Gestas, could have mixtures from other lines.
Nah. Like you said, Gestas isn't a apostle, and neither was Clark's moster. True Monster's can inherit powers from multiple apostles (the minyak claims the 1st, 3rd and 7th, while leigong had ancestry to the 2nd, 6th, and 10th) so Clark and Danica being tied to the 2nd, and the 8th is possible, since they got their power from monsters. We don't have much reason to think that monsters can only pass on their powers from one apostle, considering how similar Oscar and the Wepawet's powers are.

They could have gotten their power from mutant superhumans, but we can't know that.
 

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Nah. Like you said, Gestas isn't a apostle, and neither was Clark's moster. True Monster's can inherit powers from multiple apostles (the minyak claims the 1st, 3rd and 7th, while leigong had ancestry to the 2nd, 6th, and 10th) so Clark and Danica being tied to the 2nd, and the 8th is possible, since they got their power from monsters. We don't have much reason to think that monsters can only pass on their powers from one apostle, considering how similar Oscar and the Wepawet's powers are.

They could have gotten their power from mutant superhumans, but we can't know that.
You didn't get what I meant. I wasn't saying Clark's monster didn't have a mixture. I'm saying that his POWER is mostly under the 8th's Line because they're mostly made up of Light. It doesn't matter if he has a mixture of the 2nd in him, his trait still mostly comes from the 8th and that's likely who he saw in his evolutions, not the 2nd. His powers are closely related to the 8th, if it's Light.

The same applies to M-65 Gestas and Danica. Though, their Apostle ancestor might differ compared to Clark's, who's ancestor is definitely the Light Apostle, not the 2nd. As for Oscar and M-46 Wepwawet, his powers are Light as well but with a mixture of the 5th Apostle, if it's Time.

I'm not even sure why you mentioned the mixture thing at all. I'm pretty sure, I, of all people, acknowledge the existence of the cross breeding stuff and how it alters powers. Using your Minyak example, the 1st's Trait(50%) comes from her oil being able to command her targets. The 3rd's Trait(40%) comes from her Oil Body being able to shapeshift. As for the 7th's Trait(10%), who knows really. So yeah, I'm not sure why you're mentioning something I already know.
 

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I went back through the Fairy's debut, Alice's fights, Klaus and Xanthe's dialogue. I'd missed some interesting stuff. Things that just didn't seem relevant the first time I read them. Summary for that.
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Air explains the shockwaves and "pure force" that Alice uses pretty neatly, but there's definitely more to it than that. Gravity doesn't really explain whatever Alice did to the Thug-Leigong's lightning bolts or how she's blocking plasma. I have a theory, but it admittedly sounds ridiculous.

The glowing blue barrier of her orb is a "magnetosphere" which is how she shields herself from Klaus' plasma and the new-born Leigong's lightning. Next up, the process you described: air is drawn through the barrier, compressed into a pressurized "atmosphere" and given greater weight all through gravity. She can tweak each step of this process to create her various attacks. It's like a microcosm of geophysics.

Maybe Alice is simulating celestial bodies and the forces they generate with her spheres?

It does a fairly good job of explaining her arsenal and more. The pseudo-singularity the Fairy created, the gravitational waves Alice emits, the gravitational pull she exerts on Deryl's Scythe-Chimera, her miniature magnetospheres/atmospheres and their orbit. It still sounds completely crazy, but it fits surprisingly well.
Damn dude, your references are top notch.

It's not that I dislike your theory of the magnetosphere, in fact it sounds cool, but I want to try and explain why I think it's a bit redundant because it just doesn't sit well with me that Alice has powers beyond what would be considered normal for Space.

I hinted at gravity, along with my compressed air theory, potentially being enough to explain these scenes, but I was too tired/lazy to provide the framework, so here I go. (Keep in mind that I'm not some authority on physics. I dabble and I like researching things, but I could be wrong. Feel free to point out anything that doesn't sit well with you.)

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They didn't really bust Hex's barrier, they tore the "dimensional fabric."

The moment I reread the part about Alice and gravitational waves, the gears in my head started to grind. I don't think the strength of Alice's attack was as important as the strength of the wave it generated. Like breaking glass with sound; Alice has the right frequency, Clark provided the energy and Nico focused it.

I'm pretty happy with this as an explanation. Alice is the key and force isn't the answer.

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I used the word "bust" because MC used it and sounded cool, but you may be right, it required more precision than just knocking down a dimensional door.
On the other hand, I think that Nico dealing with frequencies would make more sense. Alice seems to be the hammer, not the scalpel.
1) The narrator emphasizes the destructive power of this sphere too much.
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2) The frequencies of gravitational waves tend to be fairly low. Only a couple of thousand hz for events like supernovas. Alice has powers over gravity, so to create such an effect, she would have to simulate something massive which would probably kill everyone in proximity. Whatever this sphere was, it's literally nothing compared to the things that would be required for gravitational waves to even be detected by modern sensors.
 
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I'm not even sure why you mentioned the mixture thing at all. I'm pretty sure, I, of all people, acknowledge the existence of the cross breeding stuff and how it alters powers. Using your Minyak example, the 1st's Trait(50%) comes from her oil being able to command her targets. The 3rd's Trait(40%) comes from her Oil Body being able to shapeshift. As for the 7th's Trait(10%), who knows really. So yeah, I'm not sure why you're mentioning something I already know.
I mentioned it because you mentioned it? I was agreeing with you. It was a "No, yeah" kind of moment.
 
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ItzSyther

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I was interested until you called trap a weird fetish, as if being gay is weird and you made it part of the game yourself? Weird.
Eh not all traps are gay now are they? Odd assumption, i'm sure plenty are tho not like we have any statistics on that of course lol.

And not to knock on the gay homies but in plenty of places on earth it is deemed weird even tho I personally think its fine and acceptable for whoever is into that. I personally prefer hounds...of the old variety :devilish:
 
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ItzSyther

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Yeah, still bizarre to call it a weird fetish though, which was more my point, but sure everyone, cherry pick :)
It's niche mah guy. Quite weird for the mainstream and thus is segmented for a certain group who is into it. Seems like you took offense cause its your fetish.

I noticed you didn't mention NTR at all (which was lumped with traps). That is a weird fetish and is very niche (lots of people on this site hate it and a lil chunk like it)...just like traps.
 
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I was interested until you called trap a weird fetish, as if being gay and/or traps are weird and you made it part of the game yourself? Weird.
Is the developer using the term "trap," correctly? A man who pretends to be a woman in order to entrap straight men into having sex with a man. That might be considered a weird fetish, mainly found in Japan.

If, on the other hand, the developer is using trap to refer to transwomen, fuck that! Transwomen do not transition in order to fool straight men, they do so to try and make their external presentation match their internal image of themselves. Cis, het males are not part of the decision.

EDIT: I was concerned that no Alpha Males/Incels/Edgelords had yet given me a facepalm for posting factual information. I can finally sleep easily tonight.
 
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There aren't really traps in the game.

There are two point five twinks though. One point five of which you can have sex with.
Be careful not to pick the wrong 1 though (joking, you don't have a chance to choose the wrong choice...yet)
 
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Is the developer using the term "trap," correctly? A man who pretends to be a woman in order to entrap straight men into having sex with a man. That might be considered a weird fetish, mainly found in Japan.

If, on the other hand, the developer is using trap to refer to transwomen, fuck that! Transwomen do not transition in order to fool straight men, they do so to try and make their external presentation match their internal image of themselves. Cis, het males are not part of the decision.
In this game there is a single 'trap' character known as Demi and their gender can be selected upon first seeming them. When you first see the character despite seeing this choice the character is rather androgynous although imo looks more like a female.
 

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There aren't really traps in the game.

There are two point five twinks though. One poit five of which you can have sex with.
Demi fulfills the 'trap' role or well... they are the nearest thing to one. It's not really a trap or a surprise since we can select their gender upon first seein em (kinda kills the trap vibes imo).

Guess Weird wanted us to have a choice there if some of us wouldn't be down to see a big ol cock on a person we thought was a chick.
 

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Demi fulfills the 'trap' role or well... they are the nearest thing to one. It's not really a trap or a surprise since we can select their gender upon first seein em (kinda kills the trap vibes imo)
Exactly. Their gender is, in universe and out of it "whatever you want it to be" and then their sex matches it through the magic of coding.
 
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Dragon59

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There aren't really traps in the game.

There are two point five twinks though. One point five of which you can have sex with.
Be careful not to pick the wrong 1 though (joking, you don't have a chance to choose the wrong choice...yet)
When I think "trap," I picture James from the Pokemon series.
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Perhaps he truly likes cross-dressing for the pleasure of it, but he usually uses it as part of some scheme, so "trap."

He definitely seems to identify as a cis male and not trans at all.
 

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In this game there is a single 'trap' character known as Demi and their gender can be selected upon first seeming them. When you first see the character despite seeing this choice the character is rather androgynous although imo looks more like a female.
So not trap, but trans?
 
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necromater

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So...... wtf? Every time i go with my wife to her weird almost criminal activities
There's a shitstorm on the forum . Is this because Drako killed Demi ? Or because of syther being syther? Did 69 found a furry cult ? Or alke desire to rape ella's corpse?
 
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