VN Ren'Py Superhuman [v0.996 Public] [WeirdWorld]

[DrakoGhoul]

I didn't say that Deus is on Ella's team. I said that he helps her. This is confirmed in game, it's no point of contention. HERO were unprepared for Ella's infiltration and Deus says that he needs her to complete her plan despite what HERO leaders think. This infiltration led to Ella's evolution which is a significant event, especially considering how bitter Ella is that she couldn't evolve for so long.

Ella says that Hex has another task, Aglaecwif says that it is stretched thin. This sounds like multitasking. It performed it's duties as it should. Sustained the dimension, it's portals, was on the lookout for the retreat signal, helped with the retreat, killed 20000 people plus by collapsing the dimension and then left, and due to the nature of it's powers, it could also do something completely unrelated to the battle, like sending monsters to attack the other sectors. So either Deus completely failed to "corner" it, or he didn't even bother fighting it. Both scenarios are suspect.

We can't even confirm that it was supposed to take part in the battle. Ella kept at least 2 S ranks in reserve, and used one (Goliath) only as needed. I will say it again, Ella wanted this battle to happen and many things happened in that battle outside of fighting.

And I said he didn't. There's absolutely no proof at any point in during the battle of diamonds that Deus actually helped Ella during the invasion. It's entirely speculation. You're combining two different sections together and conflating them as Deus "helping" Ella when he basically said he's going to be a bystander during it. The person he actually helped was the MC. That's who he wanted to meet and helped him infiltrate HERO.

Ella reaching Level 5 because she stole a serum has nothing to do with Deus "helping" her. He let it happen. If being a bystander is "helping" then all of HERO helped Ella because they actively chose to wait before hunting her down since she became a superhuman.

 

[Gtdead]

And I said he didn't. There's absolutely no proof at any point in during the battle of diamonds that Deus actually helped Ella during the invasion. It's entirely speculation. You're combining two different sections together and conflating them as Deus "helping" Ella when he basically said he's going to be a bystander during it. The person he actually helped was the MC. That's who he wanted to meet and helped him infiltrate HERO.

Ella reaching Level 5 because she stole a serum has nothing to do with Deus "helping" her. He let it happen. If being a bystander is "helping" then all of HERO helped Ella because they actively chose to wait before hunting her down since she became a superhuman.

HERO didn't know that Ella is going to antagonize them. Deus knew and confesses that he supports her plan for whatever his reasons may be. So these two examples have nothing in common.
And yes, I'm going to take the whole history into account.

Deus predicts Ella location only for her to learn about the evolution serum.
This event leads to her infiltrating HERO to steal it, Deus knows it's going to happen and doesn't do anything.

This is no innocent "bystander". This is "helping".

During the Diamong Battle he tells Alexis that he is going to corner Hex, but by the end result there is no perceivable effect. He either failed to do so or he deceived Alexis. Based on his history, the later is more likely.

 

[ItzSyther]

Well, there is a few moments here:
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1)How many talent super humans like Jake, HERO could get out civilians? Well... 1 out would be a good rate. Most likely it would be "soldiers" like Demi
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2)Even if former soldiers get rusty - you can take them month in military training ground to rember their skills and get used to new supper powers. Still this would be by far quicker and more effective then train a bunch civilians from ground zer
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3)And about Civilians recruits - how many instructors (combat ready soldiers with experience) you need take out from fields so they can babysitting this fresh meat?
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4)If i was in charge of Sin... I decide to divide my army of former solders into small but combat effective teams (6-9 super humans each) and order them to attack cities all around the globe (in order to separate HERO forces). More likely combine their operation with monster attack
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5) Most likely SIN has something to counter HERO lvl 5. At least few of them

1. Probably quite a few if Jake is any sign. A dude who up till this point was nothing more than a nerd who got bullied, yeah Ella 'helped' but in the end it was mostly his anger and drive that took him forward. Plenty of those who joined HERO be it through their own will or forced will have little choice but to train (if the meeting this update gives us any insight).

2. Those soldiers most likely do not have a month, of course it all depends on when this recruiting effort happened. If it happened recently and I mean within the last week or so (in game) then if the MC has the choice to slaughter them while infiltrating then all the effort in recruiting them was for naught even if they had powers they pale in comparison to MC.

Amber and Liz's dad implies he got his powers recently so I doubt he or other former soldiers had much of any training so yeah for them.

3. Depends, if someone like Jake or a new name (Melody) was out in the field they could easily suggest or 'control' the recruits to follow orders or simply give them the encouragement required to do their job. Or optionally have them there to support the trained officer in charge of the recruits in the field.

4. Realistically even if they attacked around the globe they'd still be outnumbered by not only superhumans on HERO's side but regular trained human soldiers and police. Again, humans can kill level 1s (hell they even made weapons that can take on some of the weaker monsters and I can only imagine they can do damage against a simple level 1 human or level 2 as it could do to MC when he was fighting against Jake and his goons who had those plasma rifles).

The teacher himself talks about how at level 1 humans can kill you but ol Xanthe reinforces the idea that at level 1 (rebirth stage) you are still easily killable

At the end of the day even with their recruitment of former soldiers they'd still be at a disadvantage even more so since humanity is rather...hateful of superpowered peoples after the events of da diamonds where a lot of humans died so I'd expect a lot of currently employed soldiers or cops to go guns blazing against these level 1 soldiers (elite/former) matters not if your out gunned and even more so if another superhuman on HERO's side shows up to assist said human soldiers (rather they want it or not).

It's most def gonna be a massacre at any rate for the humans but SIN's recruits are gonna suffer just as much.

 

[DrakoGhoul]

HERO didn't know that Ella is going to antagonize them. Deus knew and confesses that he supports her plan for whatever his reasons may be. So these two examples have nothing in common.
And yes, I'm going to take the whole history into account.

Deus predicts Ella location only for her to learn about the evolution serum.
This event leads to her infiltrating HERO to steal it, Deus knows it's going to happen and doesn't do anything.

This is no innocent "bystander". This is "helping".

During the Diamong Battle he tells Alexis that he is going to corner Hex, but by the end result there is no perceivable effect. He either failed to do so or he deceived Alexis. Based on his history, the later is more likely.

HERO has known about Ella for years. Antagonizing or not, they try to capture superhumans. I believe they've even said it at some point in game that they've been wanted to take her out but didn't.

As for the park fight. It's not. Deus getting Lexi and Clark to attack Ella was for the Minyaks to be released by them and to cover the MC tracks during the Kenny fight. Which helped the MC build up his victories in the future, get the tracking device into the Minyak and infiltrate HERO. It also helped him train before the Valravn fight. That was all for the MC, not Ella.

Once again, he didn't lie to Lexi and you can't prove he did. It's speculation. He said he's the only one who can corner Hex. As far as we know, that was true as Hex was absent during majority of the fight before the very end.

 

[RogueEagle]

The MC almost becomes a monster by trying to think too hard on evolving on his fight against the knight dude.
That means that the evolution or monsterfication can be achieved mentally under the right circunstances, so evolving is pretty complex, there are people that evolved back to back but due to exhaustion they turned monster.

People need to understand that evolution is not a cake recipe and there are two things that comunicate with Superhumans, the monster and the things that could be called "gods"(eye thing) that try to use Superhumans as avatars, the monsters act on some level of instinct when giving Superhumans evolution, at least to my understanding.

 

[DrakoGhoul]

The MC almost becomes a monster by trying to think too hard on evolving on his fight against the knight dude.
That means that the evolution or monsterfication can be achieved mentally under the right circunstances, so evolving is pretty complex, there are people that evolved back to back but due to exhaustion they turned monster.

People need to understand that evolution is not a cake recipe and there are two things that comunicate with Superhumans, the monster and the things that could be called "gods"(eye thing) that try to use Superhumans as avatars, the monsters act on some level of instinct when giving Superhumans evolution, at least to my understanding.

I'm pretty sure no one said otherwise. The point was that evolution happens when it wants to. No one said it couldn't have negative effects during the process. Just that it can happen and that there's nothing in the game saying it has to take years and decades to achieve it. That's why we listed multiple examples to show that there's no set amount of time that needs to be passed.

 

[RogueEagle]

By the way, Deus is "God" in Brazillian, so he knows something, he predicts MC infiltration and probably let Ella infiltrate to cover for him, even before that he predicts things about Ella "coincidentally" when the MC is taking part in some major event, dude even stops the MC in a deadend, so whatever Deus knows is a god tier info that involves the MC.

 

[RogueEagle]

I'm pretty sure no one said otherwise. The point was that evolution happens when it wants to. No one said it couldn't have negative effects during the process. Just that it can happen and that there's nothing in the game saying it has to take years and decades to achieve it. That's why we listed multiple examples to show that there's no set amount of time that needs to be passed.

Thats what im saying, a few people in the comments don't understand that evolution is not a cake recipe by saying things like "took Ella years".

 

[DrakoGhoul]

he predicts MC infiltration and probably let Ella infiltrate to cover for him

This too. Something I forgot about while listing everything Deus did to help MC. Ella infiltrating HERO with Jake also helped cover for the MC and allowed them to meet in person. As you can see in the scene itself, Deus was too busy trying to help MC get in the base to chat with him before doing absolutely nothing at all but watching Ella wreck havoc. Neither helping her or trying to stop her.

 

[necromater]

By the way, Deus is "God" in Brazillian, so he knows something, he predicts MC infiltration and probably let Ella infiltrate to cover for him, even before that he predicts things about Ella "coincidentally" when the MC is taking part in some major event, dude even stops the MC in a deadend, so whatever Deus knows is a god tier info that involves the MC.

portuguese deus is god in portuguese. eu garoto or in latín XD
Now Lochan means the eye in sanskrit
So eye god? Or gods eye i like this one better

 

[RogueEagle]

portuguese deus is god in portuguese. eu garoto or in latín XD

A lot of people think Brazillians speak Spanish or Portuguese but in reality we speak Portuguese(brazillian).

 

[necromater]

A lot of people think Brazillians speak Spanish or Portuguese but in reality we speak Portuguese(brazillian).

yup fucking W.W now we are learning shit in this thread just to find where in the real world the references come from the gall

 

[necromater]

sooooooooo did we already discuss that the progenitors are just all might giving the one for all to the next heir so it can grow stronger XD we are just deku training so our body and mind do not end kaputt and yes im drunk before you ask

 

[Stopyking]

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Is this the mc before the scar?

 

[necromater]

Is this the mc before the scar?

no just the mc new art XD

 

[Dipasimaan]

By the way, Deus is "God" in Brazillian

ACkutAlly Deus is god in Latin from which portuguese derives

 

[necromater]

ACkutAlly Deus is god in Latin from which portuguese derives

all hail latin

 

[necromater]

XD

 

[lg545]

1. Probably quite a few if Jake is any sign. A dude who up till this point was nothing more than a nerd who got bullied, yeah Ella 'helped' but in the end it was mostly his anger and drive that took him forward. Plenty of those who joined HERO be it through their own will or forced will have little choice but to train (if the meeting this update gives us any insight).

2. Those soldiers most likely do not have a month, of course it all depends on when this recruiting effort happened. If it happened recently and I mean within the last week or so (in game) then if the MC has the choice to slaughter them while infiltrating then all the effort in recruiting them was for naught even if they had powers they pale in comparison to MC.

Amber and Liz's dad implies he got his powers recently so I doubt he or other former soldiers had much of any training so yeah for them.

3. Depends, if someone like Jake or a new name (Melody) was out in the field they could easily suggest or 'control' the recruits to follow orders or simply give them the encouragement required to do their job. Or optionally have them there to support the trained officer in charge of the recruits in the field.

4. Realistically even if they attacked around the globe they'd still be outnumbered by not only superhumans on HERO's side but regular trained human soldiers and police. Again, humans can kill level 1s (hell they even made weapons that can take on some of the weaker monsters and I can only imagine they can do damage against a simple level 1 human or level 2 as it could do to MC when he was fighting against Jake and his goons who had those plasma rifles).

The teacher himself talks about how at level 1 humans can kill you but ol Xanthe reinforces the idea that at level 1 (rebirth stage) you are still easily killable
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At the end of the day even with their recruitment of former soldiers they'd still be at a disadvantage even more so since humanity is rather...hateful of superpowered peoples after the events of da diamonds where a lot of humans died so I'd expect a lot of currently employed soldiers or cops to go guns blazing against these level 1 soldiers (elite/former) matters not if your out gunned and even more so if another superhuman on HERO's side shows up to assist said human soldiers (rather they want it or not).

It's most def gonna be a massacre at any rate for the humans but SIN's recruits are gonna suffer just as much.

1)As i said - you get 1 out 10 people on Jake lvl at best. An if you even get them here you get at least 3 major problems : there is problem with motivation (why he would fight for you and risk his life?), control (Jake took whole Sector and Dexter himself under control. No need to say how dangerous it was and it cost at least several hundreds soldiers lifes and one lvl 4 super human agent. This was just one dude and you need to control hundreds or even thousands of them) and loyalty (what would prevent this new recruits, after you turn him in lvl 3, just betray you and change side for whatever reason? SIN solve this problem with oath and tatoo...HERO have nothing similar. I mean, yeah, part of them which are conscripts take bomb in their head and heart, but normal recruits are clean)
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2)Well, in game at least month pass since Diamond battle. SIN start it active recruitment earlier (at least after Ella kids announce themselves on TV broadcast. Maybe even earlier). Which mean they get at least 1,5-2 months
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3)For something like this (control dozen lvl 3 at once and probably across the globe) you need have adamant trust in Jake and Melody (because what if they decide to turn their guns on you at most pivotal moment?). They, themself should be at least on lvl 4 (otherwise they would have trouble to control even single lvl 3). Not to mention that combat effectiveness of such method would be under the question
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4)Well even dumb monsters attacking several cities across the globe was enough to overrun HERO (which is why they start al this recruitment process). Here we have well-coordinate humans (like group of terrorist) with tactical advantage, surprise factor on their side. There is no need for them to go into frontal attack - diversions on key infrastructure, assassination of HERO supporters, causing chaos - this kind of shit would be very easy to do for former soldiers and mercenaries with super powers. Not to mention - they have full support from SIN = save house (for example Alice was able to hide with Michail for weeks while everyone seek them), information, weapons, fresh recruits, god knows how many traitors in local HERO department or Government forces (police, army, etc).
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So this is way more complex shit then just go and attack city spearhead - this tactic will force special HERO groups to stick in this cities for MONTHS of exhausting "hide and seek" game combine with "Mafia" in order to lure such SIN group out and exterminate them for good. HERO just was not desine for this kind of shit and if they End up enable to protect people from those terrorist attack...Well, then their support from population would collapse down to zero

 

[RonaldGrand6969]

And I said he didn't. There's absolutely no proof at any point in during the battle of diamonds that Deus actually helped Ella during the invasion. It's entirely speculation. You're combining two different sections together and conflating them as Deus "helping" Ella when he basically said he's going to be a bystander during it. The person he actually helped was the MC. That's who he wanted to meet and helped him infiltrate HERO.

Ella reaching Level 5 because she stole a serum has nothing to do with Deus "helping" her. He let it happen. If being a bystander is "helping" then all of HERO helped Ella because they actively chose to wait before hunting her down since she became a superhuman.

Letting it happen IS helping, if you get robbed and step away from the cash register, no matter how much you want to tell yourself that you were just standing by, at the end of the day you HELPED the robber achieve his goal knowingly. You can just admit that the Captains are retarded instead of making it seem like they have everything put together, their meetings even solidify this.

There's a big difference between H.E.R.O's Captains being cocky and stupidly oblivious to the problem that is Ella and FAILING to get her on multiple occasions...
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Deus; who actively knows what's going on around him and not only lets her break into H.E.R.O to steal a game changing serum, but also happens to "have night terrors" when the Captains wanted to discuss just how fuckin clueless they were about her at a grand meeting.

One is not helping Ella because they don't know what the fuck they are doing, and the other is actively aware yet doesn't choose to admit the information.

Not telling the whole truth kinda falls under the category of lying in my book and that isn't even the first instance of Deus lying. Xanthe and Dexter are even wary of him because he's constantly omitted information in regards to US, and even caught up to Valravn to power him up, the plan to use him wasn't even a thing until much later so he did that of his own volition. He also doesn't mention the MC breaking in and stealing data, so is he just happily telling the truth to Alexis like a good doggy or is he just potentially doing whatever the fuck he wants.

Given his feats I HIGHLY doubt that Deus was fighting the Hexring during the battle let alone to his fullest in a valiant effort to help H.E.R.O. It was busy sure, but that's just it; just busy, not ripped from the space time continuum. If I'm not mistaken the Hexring made the dimension yes? It's possible that it was maintaining it and that's why it was busy, there was a lot of power going off inside of it after all. It could've also been the one "busy" keeping Malik contained In that ball and tping the monsters inside of it, who knows.

He's indirectly helping Ella/fucking with her occasionally, the latter only when the MC is involved. But helping H.E.R.O? Eh, not so much...much less in a silly skirmish like the Battle of Diamonds (he could've warned that the dimension was coming down for instance, the ambush on Malik etc.). He IS disgusted by monsters though so there's that, perhaps he's playing the long game in which we save the world? Dunno why he'd think that caused I'm only here to destroy H.E.R.O and the government if need be then go live blissfully with my Harem.