We're already in that situation with Ella as well. If every major character comes back from death then that cheapens not just death but being able to cheat death too. I think its more interesting for Liz to be gone gone
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True i mean everything is possible in mc head but he will suffer a lot before that
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The one wish i have is that WW doesnt go with the fusion thing let amber be amber and liz be liz they shine enough on their own and together without being glue to one another no fusion please
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That's true, but it looks like that girl is somehow able to store his soul.
Maybe her mark doesn't allow the soul to leave.
Not everyone has access to something like this.
By the way, I find it interesting that Syla was telling her son that her body is still fresh and juicy and that you can tell dad that he can play with it a little. My guess is that she probably didn't die a violent death. Maybe her soul was simply separated from her body, like Ella's. And since her body is fine and her soul didn't pass on, I guess it should be possible to revive her.
So, is her body in a casket or does some organization have it in the fridge?
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Do you also find it interesting how many powerful superhumans invest a lot of time and resources to create their own phylacteries? I'm pretty sure the thing Deryl made for Ella was her personal phylactery and that puppet was probably supposed to fulfill the role of a flesh doll. I'm guessing there is some third element that the doll must find in order to be reborn at full strength. That, or the doll was her phylactery and the crystal is something that stores her power and need to be connected with the doll.
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I really can't see the other deaths the same way that as the Twins death. Most of them were warrior deaths or there was a precedent/hope.
This was a comically abrupt death of two completely innocent characters and as I said, it only works in making MC angry at Cole and perhaps the others who were involved, like Shen and Eisheth. MC already knows that he has to protect his friends, he already has lost people. There isn't much to be gained here.
It's not like someone neutral or even friendly killed the Twins. It was fucking Cole. Given enough time, people will probably even forgive SIN in their entirety and solely blame Cole for what happened. And that's before even considering the permanence of death.
Could be, but I think Charlie wasn't a Superhuman when Oscar died. So "storing" is probably not what is happening here.
I think I have a theory. Nyx was basically trapped in her dream so she only had access to the people who were inside the river. Perhaps now that MC allowed her to roam the dream world, she can extend this to every soul.
This could be the reason why she says that MC helped her more than he realizes.
So if Charlie can find his soul there or somehow recreate it, it probably will happen that way
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I disagree with the immaterial world being an afterlife kind of thing. This update established that Light and Dark make Soul, yet it is Memory that has the best control over the immaterial world.
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Not exactly afterlife, more like a transcient place for the Souls who refuse to die or the things that have to be preserved.
If you combine the info from Valravn:
And Syla:
And add to that that it's the realm of the Vestige of Humanity
It opens a lot of possibilities.
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The twins are obviously alive (or will be soon), Liz has shown already that her body works different now.
And considering they were the supposed to be decoys, isn’t it possible that Nyx just marked them at some point and can revive them anyway?
Not even thinking about what the mc could do himself about it at this point or someone like henri showing up and „deciding“ their body’s are fine
And considering they were the supposed to be decoys, isn’t it possible that Nyx just marked them at some point and can revive them anyway?
Not even thinking about what the mc could do himself about it at this point or someone like henri showing up and „deciding“ their body’s are fine
I think a better explanation is that the immaterial world is more or less a realm of ideas and mental constructs. So Syla is physically dead, but the Idea of her lives on. Not necessarily the same thing as her soul, but due to her power over Memory it is likely she still possesses it even while existing as a concept instead of a physical being.
Though this does bring up an interesting point. According to Syla, her body hasn't decayed. It's possible that she's in a state much like the MC was these past few days and isn't actually dead. Then her discussion with Valravn becomes re-contextualized as someone who has been resisting the call of the void by remaining in the conceptual realm.
I actually prefer for Liz to stay dead... for a while. I think it will really aid with character development, and I know authors these days are a little pussy to pull triggers on major characters. And it sort of cheapens the plot a bit. Right now the game feels a little too light-hearted for what it's supposed to be, if we have a big event coming that is supposed to be tragic for humanity, by God, we need to feel it.
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Nope, it's fantasy; Memory can acess this world, but it's a world of dreams, thus is fantasy that have more Control
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Question guys, has all the game's art been updated yet? Or are the devs still going according to plan and that's going to happen in the big update of the long awaited version "1.0"?
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It's a possibility, but I think if she wasn't dead, that would be one of the first things she'd tell you.
Ella's body doesn't decay either because she was not killed, only her soul was separated from her body.
I think she's somewhere between "barely alive and barely dead" right now.
But I wouldn't compare it to a coma because her condition is much more serious.
Even if someone put her soul back into her body, I'm guessing it wouldn't be enough and she would need someone else to "reignite her spark".
It is possible that our mother experienced something similar.
Actually, Nyx's power has to come from someone, so it's not impossible that some extremely powerful monsters (probably one of the chosen ones) could have a similar instant kill ability.
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The nature of the Dream World at this point is kinda hard to define. The best I can do is try to group the various things that exist in categories that make sense. Syla is obviously an outlier. Why? I can't tell. I used to think that MC ate her and that's why she persists. She is certainly dead, but so are the people in Nyx's river. What makes those different that every other thing that exists there? Perhaps it's Nyx's power, perhaps not. Unless I have reason to somehow make a distinction between the various apparitions that exist in the dreamworld, I'd rather assume that everything has the same basic attributes, even if their circumstances are different.
As for her body.. Syla is a Chosen and we know that very powerful beings can retain their strength even after death. Like the husks of dead Apostle Avatars and the monster that Markus has in his basement.
I wouldn't pay much attention to that one personally. At least nothing more than the obvious, that her body actually exists and is lifelike.
The thing is that up till now, we considered the memories of people as a supernatural aspect of Memory's power. We never understood how scenes like Nyx's in the catacombs could be, how could memories gain extra knowledge and be able to "warn her" that someone is behind her.
Now the framework is completely different and the lines between Memory, Dreams and Souls are blurred.
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A person's personality is practically the sum of his memories and experiences.
Phantoms in dreams are practically just echoes of memories left by our soul.
Souls are... actually, I'm not sure here and I doubt that there are many people in this world and in the superhuman world who would be sure
From what we know about phantoms in the dream world, it seems that some phantoms are still connected to living souls (which is why the MC was able to convince the woman to release him) but some are just remnants left behind after people die and their souls pass on. What is interesting is the fact that it seems that only those whose souls have actually entered the dream world have a truly material form, instead of only a phantom of it appearing there (with only a few exceptions that transcendent to a higher form of being).
I admit that for a long time I thought Syla was just something the MC subconsciously created to help himself evolve and gave it his mother's form, along with all the memories he had of her.
That turned out to be completely wrong, but what convinced me the most was the fact that Syla has a physical body in the dream world, so she's not just some memory, she's really her.
MY THEORY
If MC were groping Syla's breast at the time he ascends to the dream world, perhaps through their connection, her soul could be returned to her body. (I guess he could also put his hand on her head or something, but that wouldn't be as funny.
)But I don't think he could do it right now. For one, it's extremely difficult to actually consciously enter the dream world (so far we only know of two lvl 5 captains that can do it, and Nyx can only do it because we just showed her) and for second, for manipulating someone who was probably at the chosen level would MC probably had to be at lvl 5.
Although, wouldn't it be possible for Nyx to mark a soul in the dream world?
Then she could revive Syla without any problems.
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Only reason Alice can walk beside him is because she has powers. MC literally feels forcibly inserted into a mob side story between Klaus, Alice and Micheal. But I'll agree she is still a big part of the main story. But that doesn't really matter anymore cause Liz and Amber both were a big part of the story for the last couple updates and both of them are getting powers. So your points are kinda moot at this point. But prior to this point, they were his connection to his humanity, his past life. Figures them dieing would cause him to berserk.
If this wasn't a harem game, Alice would most definitely be into Micheal, they spend every day together and they have a backstory together and they compliment each other in everyway. Both of them are fighting side by side in almost every scene. They feel like partners in crime much more then the MC. But Micheal isn't interested in pursuing that so that's a loss for him, don't mind if I do.
It does depend on preference. The MCs preference is clearly Liz seeing both of them "died" at some point and MC's reaction is clearly much much more intense with Liz.
I like romanticism. just compare the story of Alice vs Liz. Liz initially rejects MC because she thinks both of them are lazy, unmotivated and depressed. MC gets powers and is suddenly motivated, driven and can compete in Liz's world (fitting in her world yes?) and has a big dick. Liz sees that and slowly changes too while being around him. She allows herself to fall in love for the first time to a man who literally is fixing her. This is all just talking about the characters without actually getting into the plot points cause all that stuff is noise imo. Ironically for someone who has a NTR route, Liz's reason for loving you is probably the least vain and the most natural out of everyone.
Alice's story has a lot of noise. But I think that's all there is, MC helps her out and they fall in love. There's no romanticism there. The MC feels forcibly injected into Klaus, Alice and Micheals mafia story. No offence, I like her as a character. But as a romantic interest she is very lacking.
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