VN Ren'Py Superhuman [v0.996 Public] [WeirdWorld]

[TheOneZR]

Bro i see some of you guys wants to genderbender cole but that will be a reward for him to be honest and the mc is beyond pissed at this point a revenge driven mc is not gonna stop anytime soon even if they survive the fact that they were killed is still there after the face and growl i see mc drag cole across hex dimension making sure he suffers a lot then kill and devour him and in his head he will be stripped of his power and have kenny (if you devour him) and bailey beat the shit out of him everyday into eternity

 

[Ddlc]

For anyone who missed it in the cliffhanger
"Cole "Trust me, it's a mercy. You don't want to know what they suffered through before they met their end.""
Both Twins are dead. Not just Liz.

My opinion on the cliffhanger:
Look, I really didn't like it. Not just because I like the Twins, but because of how this death is used.
1. Sets up Cole as the enemy, but Cole was already an enemy to begin with, he didn't need a setup.
2. The game has spent a huge amount of time familiarizing the audience with the Twins, showing their stories and their growth and using them as a device for MC to take action. They have prominent roles, so dying here makes all this time invested kind of.. pointless.

So even if we assume that the game always wanted to kill them to prompt MC to toughen up and destroy his enemies.. the sad reality is that the death was wasted.

This destroys any chance of reconciliation between MC and SIN / Ella's kids / Tanos and Eisheth. It's not just Cole. Everyone is guilty for putting them in this situation, for extreme negligence and a lot of other grievances. MC can't just forget this and join them down the line. This also happened in the same update that blurred the lines between Ella's goals, the Apostles and the Lord of Dark.

Additionally, there is a dissonance between the actual permanence of death, the reader's understanding and MC's understanding. For all MC knows, Twins are dead. Unless they somehow regenerate on the spot (which is actually possible based on their powers), MC should just accept that they died and avenge them.

This isn't something to forget. the Twins are literally MC's oldest friends. If MC wants to think of himself as a protector of those he holds dear, there is only one response, and this is to show the same mercy that Cole showed the Twins, to everyone involved.

On the flipside, chances are that even if the Twins die, they will return. Either through MC figuring out a new aspect of his power, through Nyx (with or without Charlie's assistance, as she too wants to ressurect her brother), or some other mechanism. This weakens the dramatic aspect of death and makes it a cheap cliffhanger.

Lastly I'm sure that this being the Twin arc, people would love to see the Twins in action. If that doesn't happen, then the game may spend a lot of time on MC attempting to ressurect the Twins and the audience will have follow along without knowing if the time spent on it is worth the trouble. If Twins can be ressurected now, they can also be ressurected later. It's hard for MC to get derailed in a quest to do it as fast as possible, with so many conflicts open and active.

To be fair this is not the first time WW uses a character "death" this way. Alice died when she was infected to the same effect during the first Klaus fight, the difference is how close she and Mc were. Michael died after being infected and came back right after, Deryl monsterfied to return fine and dandy, to an extent even if it's preventable Laurie is the same.

I doubt it's the last time something like that will happen but my point is it's not about how permanent the consequence is, it's about how living through the event affects the character, I think all those things were major points to all of them, even if I don't believe a possible death of the twins or if they return soon or later for someone to lose an important person like that is meaningful. And I am sure it will be for them too, dying might me a lot more normal to superhumans but whether they return or not it is still the defining point of their lives.

 

[Katsuki45]

Bro i see some of you guys wants to genderbender cole but that will be a reward for him to be honest and the mc is beyond pissed at this point a revenge driven mc is not gonna stop anytime soon even if they survive the fact that they were killed is still there after the face and growl i see mc drag cole across hex dimension making sure he suffers a lot then kill and devour him and in his head he will be stripped of his power and have kenny (if you devour him) and bailey beat the shit out of him everyday into eternity

Both endings to me are good, Cole wasn't the one that cause this situation with them, it was Tanos, this mf need a eternity of torture, but Cole can have some leeway in my opinion;
Before I never would thinking about turning Cole in a woman, but after seeing the possibility i began to think and ..
I think that MC will eat Cole and in his mind world we would have the opportunity to genderbend him

 

[okokok]

My opinion on the cliffhanger:
On the flipside, chances are that even if the Twins die, they will return. Either through MC figuring out a new aspect of his power, through Nyx (with or without Charlie's assistance, as she too wants to ressurect her brother), or some other mechanism. This weakens the dramatic aspect of death and makes it a cheap cliffhanger.

We're already in that situation with Ella as well. If every major character comes back from death then that cheapens not just death but being able to cheat death too. I think its more interesting for Liz to be gone gone

 

[TheOneZR]

Both endings to me are good, Cole wasn't the one that cause this situation with them, it was Tanos, this mf need a eternity of torture, but Cole can have some leeway in my opinion;
Before I never would thinking about turning Cole in a woman, but after seeing the possibility i began to think and .. View attachment 3492713
I think that MC will eat Cole and in his mind world we would have the opportunity to genderbend him

True i mean everything is possible in mc head but he will suffer a lot before that

 

[TheOneZR]

The one wish i have is that WW doesnt go with the fusion thing let amber be amber and liz be liz they shine enough on their own and together without being glue to one another no fusion please

 

[Edvin]

You have to take into account that the game has teased Oscar's resurrection for a long time.

That's true, but it looks like that girl is somehow able to store his soul.
Maybe her mark doesn't allow the soul to leave.
Not everyone has access to something like this.

Add to that that MC can preserve their memories and perhaps Syla can potentially intervene in the Dream World to delay their souls from entering the cycle, I really don't think that time is limited in any serious capacity, no matter how death actually works.

By the way, I find it interesting that Syla was telling her son that her body is still fresh and juicy and that you can tell dad that he can play with it a little. My guess is that she probably didn't die a violent death. Maybe her soul was simply separated from her body, like Ella's. And since her body is fine and her soul didn't pass on, I guess it should be possible to revive her.

So, is her body in a casket or does some organization have it in the fridge?


P.S.
Do you also find it interesting how many powerful superhumans invest a lot of time and resources to create their own phylacteries? I'm pretty sure the thing Deryl made for Ella was her personal phylactery and that puppet was probably supposed to fulfill the role of a flesh doll. I'm guessing there is some third element that the doll must find in order to be reborn at full strength. That, or the doll was her phylactery and the crystal is something that stores her power and need to be connected with the doll.

 

[Gtdead]

To be fair this is not the first time WW uses a character "death" this way. Alice died when she was infected to the same effect during the first Klaus fight, the difference is how close she and Mc were. Michael died after being infected and came back right after, Deryl monsterfied to return fine and dandy, to an extent even if it's preventable Laurie is the same.

I doubt it's the last time something like that will happen but my point is it's not about how permanent the consequence is, it's about how living through the event affects the character, I think all those things were major points to all of them, even if I don't believe a possible death of the twins or if they return soon or later for someone to lose an important person like that is meaningful. And I am sure it will be for them too, dying might me a lot more normal to superhumans but whether they return or not it is still the defining point of their lives.

I really can't see the other deaths the same way that as the Twins death. Most of them were warrior deaths or there was a precedent/hope.

This was a comically abrupt death of two completely innocent characters and as I said, it only works in making MC angry at Cole and perhaps the others who were involved, like Shen and Eisheth. MC already knows that he has to protect his friends, he already has lost people. There isn't much to be gained here.

It's not like someone neutral or even friendly killed the Twins. It was fucking Cole. Given enough time, people will probably even forgive SIN in their entirety and solely blame Cole for what happened. And that's before even considering the permanence of death.

That's true, but it looks like that girl is somehow able to store his soul.
Maybe her mark doesn't allow the soul to leave.
Not everyone has access to something like this.

Could be, but I think Charlie wasn't a Superhuman when Oscar died. So "storing" is probably not what is happening here.


I think I have a theory. Nyx was basically trapped in her dream so she only had access to the people who were inside the river. Perhaps now that MC allowed her to roam the dream world, she can extend this to every soul.

This could be the reason why she says that MC helped her more than he realizes.

So if Charlie can find his soul there or somehow recreate it, it probably will happen that way

 

[KingAgamemnon]

I really can't see the other deaths the same way that as the Twins death. Most of them were warrior deaths or there was a precedent/hope.

This was a comically abrupt death of two completely innocent characters and as I said, it only works in making MC angry at Cole and perhaps the others who were involved, like Shen and Eisheth. MC already knows that he has to protect his friends, he already has lost people. There isn't much to be gained here.

It's not like someone neutral or even friendly killed the Twins. It was fucking Cole. Given enough time, people will probably even forgive SIN in their entirety and solely blame Cole for what happened. And that's before even considering the permanence of death.



Could be, but I think Charlie wasn't a Superhuman when Oscar died. So "storing" is probably not what is happening here.


I think I have a theory. Nyx was basically trapped in her dream so she only had access to the people who were inside the river. Perhaps now that MC allowed her to roam the dream world, she can extend this to every soul.

This could be the reason why she says that MC helped her more than he realizes.

So if Charlie can find his soul there or somehow recreate it, it probably will happen that way

I disagree with the immaterial world being an afterlife kind of thing. This update established that Light and Dark make Soul, yet it is Memory that has the best control over the immaterial world.

 

[Dominosaur]

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It might be that Henri has been away for so long that he doesn't realize it's someone else, or it might be that

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[beezus]

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[Gtdead]

I disagree with the immaterial world being an afterlife kind of thing. This update established that Light and Dark make Soul, yet it is Memory that has the best control over the immaterial world.

Not exactly afterlife, more like a transcient place for the Souls who refuse to die or the things that have to be preserved.

If you combine the info from Valravn:

Valravn ".....Why dost thou remain?"
show memory 330 with dissolve
Mom "....."
show memory 328 with dissolve
Mom "Well.... There's still stuff I want to see. To do. People who need me. I can't just leave them!!"
Valravn "Obstructing the cycle too long shall harm thine spirit. Do not linger more than thou must."

And Syla:

You "So this is your real home, huh? When you're not running around in my head."
Mom "Yeah..."
Mom "It's not a bad place, but... It does get a little lonely."
You "Can't talk to these phantom things?"
show mom nt with dissolve
Mom "I can, but they won't talk back. Not very often anyway."
You "Aren't there other things like you around here? People that can traverse this place like you can?"
Mom "Sure. They don't really like me very much though."
You "None of them?"
show mom h with dissolve
Mom "Mhm. I'm not really supposed to be here. Even the more ambivalent denizens aren't comfortable having me around."

And add to that that it's the realm of the Vestige of Humanity
It opens a lot of possibilities.

 

[KingAgamemnon]

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[Krytax123]

The twins are obviously alive (or will be soon), Liz has shown already that her body works different now.

And considering they were the supposed to be decoys, isn’t it possible that Nyx just marked them at some point and can revive them anyway?

Not even thinking about what the mc could do himself about it at this point or someone like henri showing up and „deciding“ their body’s are fine

 

[KingAgamemnon]

Not exactly afterlife, more like a transcient place for the Souls who refuse to die or the things that have to be preserved.

If you combine the info from Valravn:


And Syla:


And add to that that it's the realm of the Vestige of Humanity
It opens a lot of possibilities.

I think a better explanation is that the immaterial world is more or less a realm of ideas and mental constructs. So Syla is physically dead, but the Idea of her lives on. Not necessarily the same thing as her soul, but due to her power over Memory it is likely she still possesses it even while existing as a concept instead of a physical being.

Though this does bring up an interesting point. According to Syla, her body hasn't decayed. It's possible that she's in a state much like the MC was these past few days and isn't actually dead. Then her discussion with Valravn becomes re-contextualized as someone who has been resisting the call of the void by remaining in the conceptual realm.

 

[rivet]

I actually prefer for Liz to stay dead... for a while. I think it will really aid with character development, and I know authors these days are a little pussy to pull triggers on major characters. And it sort of cheapens the plot a bit. Right now the game feels a little too light-hearted for what it's supposed to be, if we have a big event coming that is supposed to be tragic for humanity, by God, we need to feel it.

 

[Katsuki45]

I disagree with the immaterial world being an afterlife kind of thing. This update established that Light and Dark make Soul, yet it is Memory that has the best control over the immaterial world.

Nope, it's fantasy; Memory can acess this world, but it's a world of dreams, thus is fantasy that have more Control

 

[TatsumaruOZ]

Question guys, has all the game's art been updated yet? Or are the devs still going according to plan and that's going to happen in the big update of the long awaited version "1.0"?

 

[Edvin]

Though this does bring up an interesting point. According to Syla, her body hasn't decayed. It's possible that she's in a state much like the MC was these past few days and isn't actually dead. Then her discussion with Valravn becomes re-contextualized as someone who has been resisting the call of the void by remaining in the conceptual realm.

It's a possibility, but I think if she wasn't dead, that would be one of the first things she'd tell you.
Ella's body doesn't decay either because she was not killed, only her soul was separated from her body.
I think she's somewhere between "barely alive and barely dead" right now.
But I wouldn't compare it to a coma because her condition is much more serious.
Even if someone put her soul back into her body, I'm guessing it wouldn't be enough and she would need someone else to "reignite her spark".

It is possible that our mother experienced something similar.
Actually, Nyx's power has to come from someone, so it's not impossible that some extremely powerful monsters (probably one of the chosen ones) could have a similar instant kill ability.

 

[Gtdead]

I think a better explanation is that the immaterial world is more or less a realm of ideas and mental constructs. So Syla is physically dead, but the Idea of her lives on. Not necessarily the same thing as her soul, but due to her power over Memory it is likely she still possesses it even while existing as a concept instead of a physical being.

Though this does bring up an interesting point. According to Syla, her body hasn't decayed. It's possible that she's in a state much like the MC was these past few days and isn't actually dead. Then her discussion with Valravn becomes re-contextualized as someone who has been resisting the call of the void by remaining in the conceptual realm.

The nature of the Dream World at this point is kinda hard to define. The best I can do is try to group the various things that exist in categories that make sense. Syla is obviously an outlier. Why? I can't tell. I used to think that MC ate her and that's why she persists. She is certainly dead, but so are the people in Nyx's river. What makes those different that every other thing that exists there? Perhaps it's Nyx's power, perhaps not. Unless I have reason to somehow make a distinction between the various apparitions that exist in the dreamworld, I'd rather assume that everything has the same basic attributes, even if their circumstances are different.

As for her body.. Syla is a Chosen and we know that very powerful beings can retain their strength even after death. Like the husks of dead Apostle Avatars and the monster that Markus has in his basement.

I wouldn't pay much attention to that one personally. At least nothing more than the obvious, that her body actually exists and is lifelike.

The thing is that up till now, we considered the memories of people as a supernatural aspect of Memory's power. We never understood how scenes like Nyx's in the catacombs could be, how could memories gain extra knowledge and be able to "warn her" that someone is behind her.

Now the framework is completely different and the lines between Memory, Dreams and Souls are blurred.