MuleCurse

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The last update had some real surprises for me.

One, my theory on Jake being a double-payload bomb turned out true,
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Two, my theory on intelligence being incredibly important to a superhuman confirmed.
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Three, Ella knows a lot more than I expected. That one dead end where some monster attacks you and Ella, Ella dies offscreen, and the monster kills you after that made me think Ella is playing with forces she doesn't understand.
I still think Ella plays with forces she doesn't understand, but she knows stuff on a deeper level for sure. Captured monsters, digging up weird buried stuff... she is probably aware of the stuff you only find out in heavy corrupted playthroughs.

Also just the general flashback stuff with Deryl and how he and the MC became friends. (y)
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We dont know why she wants you to be stronger though even if she wants to take it we dont know if that is for her own personal gain or if shes doing it because she thinks its the best way to beat whatever the "final boss"ends up being. Even more so now since she is at her final evolution and has also told us that once you hit it you dont gain any new powers its just how you use them.

No matter how you feel about it if MC is the one to kill her we are very likely to be given a choice in the matter so she needs to somehow be redeemed in universe (unless MC tells everyone he saved her just for sex). She is far from my favorite character so I dont really care how her story ends but I also recognize that (in the good boi route) unless she is directly attacking MC friends MC will get to choose to spare her.

Thinking back MC is the only one who has gotten two and Ella even sees that there are two (as well as MC saying them instead of it) but doesn't seem to care at all. The only other time two monsters has been mentioned was to Micheal and that was just taking another pill if he killed the first one. I wonder if they just wanted to have a choice/scene in the very early release of the game or if that will ever come back into play?
Yes it affect certain scene which monster choose to infect you
Example:in klaus mansion when you get taken hostage,If you choose the fourth(Mother)you must cut below the collar otherwise its a dead end
but with the third(father)you must choose to cut above the collar to escape
and also in the prologue if you choose to go left then the fourth inject your dick otherwise its the third that inject your head
 
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Yes it affect certain scene which monster choose to infect you
Example:in klaus mansion when you get taken hostage,If you choose the fourth(Mother)you must cut below the collar otherwise its a dead end
but with the third(father)you must choose to cut above the collar to escape
and also in the prologue if you choose to go left then the fourth inject your dick otherwise its the third that inject your head
I think you have them confused. With 4th you have to cut above the collar or you die. I mostly main the 4th so I remember that part well. Alice's dad asks you if you want him to pick up your head but you refuse as your body lays there headless with the collar. I'll have to double check the 3rd since I only played through that once.
 
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Even more so now since she is at her final evolution and has also told us that once you hit it you dont gain any new powers its just how you use them.
I wouldn't consider Ella to be a very reliable narrator. Leaving aside her fickle nature, one of the earliest dead ends reveals that she is nowhere near as knowledgeable regarding monster affairs as she believes.

Her excuse is "it's to help us get stronger". I didn't need her help when I crushed Kenny, Danica, Klaus, and Minyak. Sure, she gave pointers but I executed those victories on my own and I'll never give her credit for any of it. She wants me to be strong? Then she should stay out of my way and let me progress. I trampled Jake even when at a disadvantage while she was off somewhere plotting. She should've got the message that I don't need her.
Hmmm, just my opinion of course, but I think Ella's apparent lack of support in developing the MC's powers is more a result of lacklustre writing. Don't get me wrong, the exposition in this VN is several cuts above most of the games on this site, but it often feels like WW attempts to emphasize certain character traits, only they don't do enough. In Ella's case, her dialogue seems to imply that she wants to instill a sense of urgency in the MC so that he may better train his powers. Unfortunately, none of the training sessions reflect this well enough. I'd expect the training sessions to consistently refer to previous incidents as (partial but significant) motivation to become stronger.

Yes it affect certain scene which monster choose to infect you
Example:in klaus mansion when you get taken hostage,If you choose the fourth(Mother)you must cut below the collar otherwise its a dead end
but with the third(father)you must choose to cut above the collar to escape
Monster parent choice is irrelevant in that scene. Always cut above collar.
 

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I wouldn't consider Ella to be a very reliable narrator. Leaving aside her fickle nature, one of the earliest dead ends reveals that she is nowhere near as knowledgeable regarding monster affairs as she believes.
I'm guessing she knows a lot about some past monster event or perhaps the war that allowed the world-government to steamroll all other factions, hence why she was digging in the mines, but she doesn't actually know the goals or true strength of the monsters.
 

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Weeell I'm finally done with the new content.
And took a day or so to digest it all.
Also I'm too lazy to go back and read all that's been discussed and that I ignored as to not get spoiled until I was done... :KEK:

Might as well share what's on my mind, will react those who will.


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Food for thoughts.

Ended up putting spoilers to make the post less of a gigantic wall of text. Might have forgotten to mention some stuff as well, so don't hesitate to ask questions. All the same, comments and personal reflexions toward anything I mentionned are welcome.

Oh yeah, I forgot one thing : The art improved on some of the pics. Especially with the Light and Shadow usage. It's pretty impressive to see.
 

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If you let me, Clover being so obsessed is possible is because Demi power, not because she is a psycho.
Just saying.
Well yes but Demi also mentionned tonning their power down, especially on her. I feel like there's something else at play here... Also, when Demi wasn't yet able to control their power, Clover was the only person that far gone with them. Nobody else went that far off the ledge of sanity...
 
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Weeell I'm finally done with the new content.
And took a day or so to digest it all.
Also I'm too lazy to go back and read all that's been discussed and that I ignored as to not get spoiled until I was done... :KEK:

Might as well share what's on my mind, will react those who will.


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Food for thoughts.

Ended up putting spoilers to make the post less of a gigantic wall of text. Might have forgotten to mention some stuff as well, so don't hesitate to ask questions. All the same, comments and personal reflexions toward anything I mentionned are welcome.

Oh yeah, I forgot one thing : The art improved on some of the pics. Especially with the Light and Shadow usage. It's pretty impressive to see.
For the Jake and Mia thing, Ella saves her regardless and she has amnesia no matter what. Basically like I said last update, Jake isn't really needed. He already undid the damage on her so really it was up to the MC or Ella. It did bother me though that Ella was the one to do it. Like all that practicing and she just swoops in and steals the glory.

Also for killing Jake, if you want to know, there's details about the 1st and some cosmic shit going down. If you have a save, you should choose the kill option to see it. Not sure if corruption is needed or not there though.
 
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For the Jake and Mia thing, Ella saves her regardless and she has amnesia no matter what.
I didn't mean the amnesia might be for Jake losing and surviving. I meant for losing, period.

Basically like I said last update, Jake isn't really needed. He already undid the damage on her so really it was up to the MC or Ella. It did bother me though that Ella was the one to do it. Like all that practicing and she just swoops in and steals the glory.
I fully agree. It would have been nice if the MC had been the one to do it.
Could also have been nice for Mia to understand he was the one doing it while gradually gaining back consciousness. Imagine having her in the know while she gets all screamy and yelly when excited about something. It would have been hilarious.

Also for killing Jake, if you want to know, there's details about the 1st and some cosmic shit going down. If you have a save, you should choose the kill option to see it. Not sure if corruption is needed or not there though.
I might. I'm usually a "stick with my choices" type of player, so I haven't done a second run going for different ones or checked different major choices, but since a lot of lore hint seems hidden behind some of those...

You can kill Jake no matter what. There is no requirement for that choice.
Drako meant they don't know if seeing the scene, or the amount of information up for grabs in said scene, depends on corruption. We've established, with tests, that higher corruption makes you able to understand monsters speaking, while lower corruption gets a garbbled mess.
 
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Drako meant they don't know if seeing the scene, or the amount of information up for grabs in said scene, depends on corruption. We've established, with tests, that higher corruption makes you able to understand monsters speaking, while lower corruption gets a garbbled mess.
My mistake. I thought it was the other way. Thanks
 
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RightO, been thinking on the new content my self and went back through the game again to see if there's any threads I missed. Here's some thoughts.

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Well got a-lot more thoughts but it takes time to articulate and format this shit, so I'll just leave this for now.
 

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You can kill Jake no matter what. There is no requirement for that choice.
Drako meant they don't know if seeing the scene, or the amount of information up for grabs in said scene, depends on corruption. We've established, with tests, that higher corruption makes you able to understand monsters speaking, while lower corruption gets a garbbled mess.
Basically what Rutonat said. I'm never sure what's corruption locked or not while playing since I always have high corruption stats(except for my main but he's getting there). That Tower scene might be one of the corruption locked scenes. Rutonat also plays with little to no corruption, if I recall right, so they might not see it even if they did kill him.
 

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*The story that Demi told, of her and Clover's history gave me a bit to speculate on. The bullying was INTENSE, and climatically hugely criminal, the while Clover was soft on them but ultimately didn't stop it even at the climax. Demi's very naïve: they've rationalized all that, as if they can't accept the notion of malice.
Or it's the... Fuck I forgot how it's called... The same thing that happens to women beaten to shit by their husband, but who keep defending them and ultimately running back to them when other people try to save them. Though in Demi's case, there's likely some psychological stuff going on with them likely not being psychologically able to face the fact they were being (essentially) tortured for fun. Facing and accepting that type of stuff can destroy someone if they aren't strong enough mentally.

*When the monster finds them burnt, and bound in the sun it there's more to think on. The nature of the monster perhaps taking pity on them; If Demi had taken a pill and didn't know or think to tell us, or just chance the monster found her.
Likely just chance. After all, not all superhumans are created by Ella. She didn't create the people at HERO, and herself. Demi's probably just one of the "natural superhuman" so to speak.

*There's also each person who'd taken part in it disappearing save for Clover which makes one wander if that was on Clover's or the Monsters initiative and it just spared her or even tasked her with protecting Demi as recompense.
Ho that one's easy. It's clearly Clover going full yandere on each of them. I thought the subtext on that one was pretty obvious. Clover very likely decided to lure out each of the bully and deal with them someway or another.
She has, so far, pretty much all of the telltale signs of a yandere : obsessive to the extreme, no regards for decency or morality, a disregard for the object of their obsession's opinion in a "I know what you need best" type of deal, a tendency to violence with anyone they deem too close, and often ends up with extreme measures like kidnapping and locking up the person they're obsessed with.
And given this game, if it was a pure horror game and not also smut, it's likely Clover could go so far as to maim Demi to prevent them from fleeing (seen that in another yandere based hentai game, the girl ended up cutting off the guy's legs and arms to prevent him from running away again).
So yeah, Clover definitely either killed the bullies herself, or led them to their death one way or another.

*For Clover's part, apart from having a great deal of guilt for not protecting Demi, she fucked off and got yoked, before returning to protect them. Demi's ability probably fan's the fire, but Clover seems aware of what Demi is and seeks to protect them not only from external harm, but from their naivete of human nature. Like seeing herself as Demi's only true ally because of their past before turning and taking extra measures not only from guilt but also because Demi failed to recognize the malice for what it was or hold it against any of them.
Possible. Though if by "aware of what Demi is" you mean superhuman, I doubt it. I don't doubt that her guilt and Demi's power threw oil in the fire though, but I think there's something else going on in her head that made the whole cocktail to explosive.

Basically what Rutonat said. I'm never sure what's corruption locked or not while playing since I always have high corruption stats(except for my main but he's getting there). That Tower scene might be one of the corruption locked scenes. Rutonat also plays with little to no corruption, if I recall right, so they might not see it even if they did kill him.
No corruption at all !
My proud boy is still at an absolute 0 corruption so far. Though if the Sponsor guy's trying to kidnapp/NTR Liz, I might bloody my hands and not regret it.
Same with Neil actually.
 

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RightO, been thinking on the new content my self and went back through the game again to see if there's any threads I missed. Here's some thoughts.

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Well got a-lot more thoughts but it takes time to articulate and format this shit, so I'll just leave this for now.
For the Clover bit, she's giving off some Yandere vibes and I believe she's the one that killed the bullies.

As for Demi becoming a superhuman, I would say she didn't take a pill. The pill in general isn't needed to become one. It's just to lure them to you. What happened to her was basically a game of luck or misfortune. She was turned like how Danica, Alice, and Angelina were. Just a chance encounter.
 

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No corruption at all !
My proud boy is still at an absolute 0 corruption so far. Though if the Sponsor guy's trying to kidnapp/NTR Liz, I might bloody my hands and not regret it.
Same with Neil actually.
Meanwhile, my main mc is slowly becoming a full blown corruption slut. The power points gained helps him cope with his insanity.
 
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