VN Ren'Py Superhuman [v0.999] [WeirdWorld]

[Beelzebub De La Gula]

Were theories on Tiff's Wedding and Alaric's Death ever discussed?

The monster that killed Alaric was completely undetectable, even while directly in front of the 4 level 5s. And was possibly even S rank as mentioned by Malik. Considering it took more than a second for Malik and Lexi to kill that may be true. The only monsters that we know with nullifying/undetectable powers are from the 7th's lineage (Such as Lord of Dark himself and Valravn)

When questioned by MC later on Tiffany refused to directly answer saying "I didn't kill him", "I can't control monsters", but she did finally say that "His death played into my plans". We were also given some hints that she knew it was coming when Claudia mentioned that Tiff suddenly seemed to be looking forward to the wedding. As well as her discussion with the MC beforehand that Alaric had the potential to become Supreme Minster but wouldn't, with how it being said even gave MC pause.

Possible explanations:
1. I first wondered if perhaps Tiffany was hiding an ace up her sleeve and had additional powers or maybe even connected to 7th's lineage somehow considering that fit her personality better, but it seems highly unlikely with what we've seen.
2. The only other option I can think of would be that Tiff is dealing with Ella, LoD, or someone behind the scenes. Tiff is in a unique position and could be a useful double agent for people against HERO/Humanity, while an external power could help Tiff kill her father. And Ella WAS the one to originally give Tiff the dinner CCTV video to be used as blackmail. It would also explain why Tiff is so secretive to the MC despite considering him an ally/friend.

Any thoughts?

It could also be that Lochan Deus helped her with that, since he doesn't seem to mind going after Hero, and he also has enough knowledge to prepare for that scenario. For example, he brought a monster from the Apostle of Darkness's lineage, knowing that he could hide his presence, and seeing the future, he knew that everything would turn out well. Sorry if I didn't explain myself well, my language isn't English.

 

[Zolrazz]

Shit, I missed yesterday's stream, fucking YouTube

Did he say anything important or comment on the next update?

 

[Abraxas!!!!]

Shit, I missed yesterday's stream, fucking YouTube

Did he say anything important or comment on the next update?

Not exactly, however trivia happened, and we know the rewards were:
Character Profile (Tiffany was chosen)
Skill comparison between 2 characters
Hscene request

 

[BenoTF25]

We know who is the character with the highest skill so far?, like not implied, but actually shown, it must be Human Oscar, no?, I remember seeing him with 70+ skill on his character profile

 

[Dinoflaggelate]

We know who is the character with the highest skill so far?, like not implied, but actually shown, it must be Human Oscar, no?, I remember seeing him with 70+ skill on his character profile

Yeah, Oscar's Skill in life was 74. That's the highest of any recorded Skill. Second highest is actually the MC, with a maximum possible Skill of 61 as of the latest update. And then everyone else whose Skill we know is pretty unskilled, with level 4 Cole being the highest at 15.

 

[BenoTF25]

Yeah, Oscar's Skill in life was 74. That's the highest of any recorded Skill. Second highest is actually the MC, with a maximum possible Skill of 61 as of the latest update. And then everyone else whose Skill we know is pretty unskilled, with level 4 Cole being the highest at 15.

Damn, Oscar was something else, a pity his 'ascension' ended with him so fucked up, even with a weak Monster Parent, if his mind ended on a proper state he might have had the potential to end up as very outstanding superhuman.


Alice and Michael must be close to him though, if not superior on pure Skill, but we haven't seen their skill stat

 

[One_Black_Sun]

Damn, Oscar was something else, a pity his 'ascension' ended with him so fucked up, even with a weak Monster Parent, if his mind ended on a proper state he might have had the potential to end up as very outstanding superhuman.


Alice and Michael must be close to him though, if not superior on pure Skill, but we haven't seen their skill stat

WW reveals Michael's skill level and it's maxed out at 9999.

 

[JicioJ]

On one hand, being trained soldiers and participating in the unification war makes me think the Captains Skill should be high, on the other, I dont know how much skill do you need to win a war against regular humans as a SH

 

[shujuku]

According to the wiki Ella Vulpe is romanian. Vulpe means "Fox" in romanian.

In english there are two figures of speech, "Clever like a fox" and "Crazy like a fox". I love how they both apply to Ella.

Who is faster?

Apostle of Light OR Ella Vulpe seeing you drop your wallet?

 

[BenoTF25]

On one hand, being trained soldiers and participating in the unification war makes me think the Captains Skill should be high, on the other, I dont know how much skill do you need to win a war against regular humans as a SH

We don't really know how long was the gap between the Captains being recruited and then infected, and even if they didn't really see much action as Human Soldiers, is not like they began as lvl 5(besides Henri, who reached it on like, a week), Nyx for instance, said that she killed a ton of people before reaching lvl 2, so, even as superhuman they needed to be mindful while fighting, we know how rough the MC had it against thugs as a fresh SH, and none of the Captains had innate regen on their first level. And again, they were fighting against Armed, and well-trained soldiers, not the mob to result on a stomp like Klaus

 

[mrobviouspsudonym]

It seems like the more powerful they get the more their skill atrophies because all they need to do is combine their corruption and their power to simply make things happen. Look at how Clark and Lexi handled Ella in the park: neither of them really have a style so to speak, more of a case of "throw powers at thing until it dies." Even Tiffany is displaying that kind of mindset with the specialized light gun instead of doing more to figure out her teleportation trick.

Now compare that to Met and Michael and Alice where (evolutions we saw during Diamond Ridge and back at base respectively aside) they keep trying to build actual styles around the powers as they develop: Michael keeping the power contained as fist blasts and visible weapons that he uses in close quarters, Met using his lightning to blitz in close and enhance the strikes he makes so he can put the lightning in his opponent's body, Alice using her powers to make her even more agile and maneuver to get her graviton boxing gloves into punching range.

At least that's the way it seems to me. Maybe at the higher evolutions people generally don't see a need for skill and so it atrophies until they don't really have any because they why would you need to throw a punch if you can just point your finger at someone and kill it like Nyx did?

 

[KyngC]

Its seems Bernhardt is the most skiled as well with the way WW glazes him here

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[Maulis47]

Even Tiffany is displaying that kind of mindset with the specialized light gun instead of doing more to figure out her teleportation trick.

Teleportation? she is simply going at the speed of light and can't control it.
Edit:Now that I'm trying to remember she actually turns into light and has to calculate when to turn back or she simply goes through.

 

[Blaze_Lumini]

It seems like the more powerful they get the more their skill atrophies because all they need to do is combine their corruption and their power to simply make things happen. Look at how Clark and Lexi handled Ella in the park: neither of them really have a style so to speak, more of a case of "throw powers at thing until it dies." Even Tiffany is displaying that kind of mindset with the specialized light gun instead of doing more to figure out her teleportation trick.

At least that's the way it seems to me. Maybe at the higher evolutions people generally don't see a need for skill and so it atrophies until they don't really have any because they why would you need to throw a punch if you can just point your finger at someone and kill it like Nyx did?

Just to make sure we are on the same page, skill isn't just the ability to move the body in a dexterous way. The level of control over one's power is also impacted by skill level.

I wouldn't compare the new Lieutenants to the captains. Alexis is only 28 and Clark is in his thirties, very young when compared to the original M-Division members. And neither of the two needed to be extremely proficient with their powers, what with Lexi's powers being tanky and Clark's power being solely for support before getting monster weapons. Comparatively, only Nico is shown to be extremely skilled in her abilities and daggerplay. I guess Kira and Elijah showed some skill when they showed off the learned general ability to fly and their fight with Eisheth.

As for the older members, Nyx was able to catch a tranced level 2 Tiff in light form with her bare hand. She also displayed unique control over her power during her first trek of the Dreamworld. The big three have shown incredible levels of control and skill with their powers. They have enough power to destroy the planet several times over but are shown to be in complete control of their powers (maybe not so much Henri).

As for Alice, Micheal, and Met their mindset influenced their powers in a way that supports the way they learned to fight. So it's just easier to tell how skilled they are from watching them fight. As opposed to just watching level 5s blasting things to oblivion before skill is needed.

 

[BenoTF25]

It seems like the more powerful they get the more their skill atrophies because all they need to do is combine their corruption and their power to simply make things happen. Look at how Clark and Lexi handled Ella in the park: neither of them really have a style so to speak, more of a case of "throw powers at thing until it dies." Even Tiffany is displaying that kind of mindset with the specialized light gun instead of doing more to figure out her teleportation trick.

Now compare that to Met and Michael and Alice where (evolutions we saw during Diamond Ridge and back at base respectively aside) they keep trying to build actual styles around the powers as they develop: Michael keeping the power contained as fist blasts and visible weapons that he uses in close quarters, Met using his lightning to blitz in close and enhance the strikes he makes so he can put the lightning in his opponent's body, Alice using her powers to make her even more agile and maneuver to get her graviton boxing gloves into punching range.

At least that's the way it seems to me. Maybe at the higher evolutions people generally don't see a need for skill and so it atrophies until they don't really have any because they why would you need to throw a punch if you can just point your finger at someone and kill it like Nyx did?

It's probably that way for some but I don't think is true to everyone, Clark and Lexi were not combatants before obtaining their powers as far as we know, the Captains on the other hand were soldiers, and power alone is not really the universal answer, curiously enough who has shown that is the chosen of Power, Indra is clearly a Full-Fledged warrior, with Syla taking his martial prowess as a manner of nerfing him.

Other reason I think captains are indeed, good a throwing hands, is thanks to Indra himself, Zack mentioned that Indra was not only far more powerful, but also far more skilled, so for loop dude to say that, as a highlight he himself must be good at fighting

 

[Dinoflaggelate]

Other reason I think captains are indeed, good a throwing hands, is thanks to Indra himself, Zack mentioned that Indra was not only far more powerful, but also far more skilled, so for loop dude to say that, as a highlight he himself must be good at fighting

I think the best indication of Zack's skill is that he's seen Indra's weapon, the Vajra. From what Indra said to Syla, he only brings that out for fights that genuinely challenge him. Sure, time looping let Zack refight Indra over and over until he learned all his moves, but even with plenty of practice it's pretty impressive to force the Chosen of Power to draw his gun in order to keep up. Especially when you consider that Zack isn't a physical type superhuman, and was only level 4 when he encountered Indra. Zack might genuinely be the most skilled human combatant in the setting.

 

[jjtom000]

Were theories on Tiff's Wedding and Alaric's Death ever discussed?

The monster that killed Alaric was completely undetectable, even while directly in front of the 4 level 5s. And was possibly even S rank as mentioned by Malik. Considering it took more than a second for Malik and Lexi to kill that may be true. The only monsters that we know with nullifying/undetectable powers are from the 7th's lineage (Such as Lord of Dark himself and Valravn)

When questioned by MC later on Tiffany refused to directly answer saying "I didn't kill him", "I can't control monsters", but she did finally say that "His death played into my plans". We were also given some hints that she knew it was coming when Claudia mentioned that Tiff suddenly seemed to be looking forward to the wedding. As well as her discussion with the MC beforehand that Alaric had the potential to become Supreme Minster but wouldn't, with how it being said even gave MC pause.

Possible explanations:
1. I first wondered if perhaps Tiffany was hiding an ace up her sleeve and had additional powers or maybe even connected to 7th's lineage somehow considering that fit her personality better, but it seems highly unlikely with what we've seen.
2. The only other option I can think of would be that Tiff is dealing with Ella, LoD, or someone behind the scenes. Tiff is in a unique position and could be a useful double agent for people against HERO/Humanity, while an external power could help Tiff kill her father. And Ella WAS the one to originally give Tiff the dinner CCTV video to be used as blackmail. It would also explain why Tiff is so secretive to the MC despite considering him an ally/friend.

Any thoughts?

Most likely Ella since she has both the motivation and ability to do that.

 

[SpecterX]

Where do you guys get all that lore from? Not from the game only right?
I played the game up until the end of the Cole Fight but I don't get half of the infos discussed here.

 

[Elduriel]

Where do you guys get all that lore from? Not from the game only right?
I played the game up until the end of the Cole Fight but I don't get half of the infos discussed here.

there is a wiki maintained by fans, has quite a bit of info on it

 

[One_Black_Sun]

Where do you guys get all that lore from? Not from the game only right?
I played the game up until the end of the Cole Fight but I don't get half of the infos discussed here.

Yeah. Unfortunately, a lot of info comes from WW's streams and the character cards he makes. It'd be nice of him to add all that information to the game, maybe into some 'Database' menu, but oh well.