sirpedro7

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i'm almost 100% sure someone who could punch planets into oblivion could beat a level five. the game never suggests that a level five is unbeatable by default or that "power type" stops being relevant cuz level 5's can just ignore some of the rules of reality. not all power types are destructive enough to match another power or tanky enough to take lots pf punishment or in the case of the MC have absurd regeneration greater than other spawn monsters etc. nico always beats the higher level librarian chick precisely because of her "power type".
It was explained sufficiently well in the game that every time you level up, the spawn evolves in two aspects: physical and skill. It is assumed that the physical aspect can continue to develop over time without leveling up, but skills have a cap on improvement for each level that is unique to each spawn. Therefore, upon reaching level 5, a body user can no longer only change their own body (level 1), but can also change other spawn (level 3) against their will or resistance (presumably level 4). Additionally, they can transform them into something very different from an animal or monster, such as a tree (level 5). It should also be noted that each level increases energy reserves and control over the abilities of previous levels (the latter being debatable but logical).
 
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It was explained sufficiently well in the game that every time you level up, the spawn evolves in two aspects: physical and skill. It is assumed that the physical aspect can continue to develop over time without leveling up, but skills have a cap on improvement for each level that is unique to each spawn. Therefore, upon reaching level 5, a body user can no longer only change their own body (level 1), but can also change other spawn (level 3) against their will or resistance (presumably level 4). Additionally, they can transform them into something very different from an animal or monster, such as a tree (level 5). It should also be noted that each level increases energy reserves and control over the abilities of previous levels (the latter being debatable but logical).
power and skills are explained as having a hard ceiling for level 1 and 2 superhumans but level 3 and on is where this fact changes and is basically the point where the power you were given by a monster starts to become yours fully and since it is known as the "limit breaker stage" and duncan was training his body for decades we can assume it's not hyperbole and that at LV 3 you can become stronger faster and more durable through training or intense combat. However it's seemingly only a "limit breaker" for your physical abilities while your actual power grows much steadier and will probably eventually plateau or your actual power doesn't have a limit either but you won't gain new ones meaning while your body and power don't have limit they also won't gain/learn new abilities and that's why leveling up is still important even after getting to LV 3. also the point you make about being able to "change others bodies" is a question of power not level, Ella can turn duncan into a tree because that's her power not just because she's LV 5 and WW says through the narration that the thing that really makes a difference when up against a power that effects your body like Ella's is your compatibility or your MP pool. The MC and Jake are an example of this: they both have mental/psychic powers which would give either of them resistance to each other and have comparable energy pools but duncan and Ella have no compatibility and she has a much higher pool of energy so she can use her hax on him with no resistance.
 
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power and skills are explained as having a hard ceiling for level 1 and 2 superhumans but level 3 and on is where this fact changes and is basically the point where the power you were given by a monster starts to become yours fully and since it is known as the "limit breaker stage" and duncan was training his body for decades we can assume it's not hyperbole and that at LV 3 you can become stronger faster and more durable through training or intense combat. However it's seemingly only a "limit breaker" for your physical abilities while your actual power grows much steadier and will probably eventually plateau or your actual power doesn't have a limit either but you won't gain new ones meaning while your body and power don't have limit they also won't gain/learn new abilities and that's why leveling up is still important even after getting to LV 3. also the point you make about being able to "change others bodies" is a question of power not level, Ella can turn duncan into a tree because that's her power not just because she's LV 5 and WW says through the narration that the thing that really makes a difference when up against a power that effects your body like Ella's is your compatibility or your MP pool. The MC and Jake are an example of this: they both have mental/psychic powers which would give either of them resistance to each other and have comparable energy pools but duncan and Ella have no compatibility and she has a much higher pool of energy so she can use her hax on him with no resistance.
Slightly incorrect.

Level 1 is the rebirth stage.
Level 2 is the balancing stage.
Level 3 is the strengthening stage.
Level 4 is the limit breaker stage.
Level 5 is the final stage.
 

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power and skills are explained as having a hard ceiling for level 1 and 2 superhumans but level 3 and on is where this fact changes and is basically the point where the power you were given by a monster starts to become yours fully and since it is known as the "limit breaker stage" and duncan was training his body for decades we can assume it's not hyperbole and that at LV 3 you can become stronger faster and more durable through training or intense combat. However it's seemingly only a "limit breaker" for your physical abilities while your actual power grows much steadier and will probably eventually plateau or your actual power doesn't have a limit either but you won't gain new ones meaning while your body and power don't have limit they also won't gain/learn new abilities and that's why leveling up is still important even after getting to LV 3. also the point you make about being able to "change others bodies" is a question of power not level, Ella can turn duncan into a tree because that's her power not just because she's LV 5 and WW says through the narration that the thing that really makes a difference when up against a power that effects your body like Ella's is your compatibility or your MP pool. The MC and Jake are an example of this: they both have mental/psychic powers which would give either of them resistance to each other and have comparable energy pools but duncan and Ella have no compatibility and she has a much higher pool of energy so she can use her hax on him with no resistance.
I understand what you're saying, but I don't entirely agree about the resistance. I do think it's understandable that some abilities might be more or less compatible or resistant to others in combat or certain situations. But Ella told MC not to use his transformation ability on other engendros, not only because of the power it required, but also because of the complexity involved (a big part of the prison arc was about MC learning how to use his energy on humans).


All engendros could resist Ella’s ability, as you said, by using MP. However, I believe that both the compatibility of the engendro and the difficulty of what Ella is trying to do are also key factors. She made it very clear to Duncan that it wasn’t until he reached Level 5 that he was able to use his transformation ability on someone else in that form and capacity.


We should also remember what happened with Mia: Ella didn’t want MC to attempt the "repairing" job because she thought it would be too risky—not because of MC’s available energy, but because of his current limitations and abilities.
 
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