VN Ren'Py Superhuman [v0.999] [WeirdWorld]

[Meh21]

I think Jake is one of the most realistic characters in terms of personality: insecure kid who doesn't know how to stand up for himself and then gets powers he doesn't know what to do with them long term and gets easily manipulated.

At this point I might choose to kill him cuz it sounds the safest option and even if I were to spare him I am pretty sure he's gonna get killed sooner or later.

 

[Rutonat]

You literally quoted me saying he explicitly did not do that
He believed she was wrong, and went out to find for himself. only to be "proven wrong" by a shapeshifted ella (assuming your choices were such that you didn't prove him wrong)

But that's the thing. He had ONE time where the MC acted completely different to how he acts with him usually, and even after that encounter. Only in that one instance does "the MC" act like a dick to him. And he doesn't question it. One singular time, and Jake is just "yeah he was definetly just toying with me cuz he's like Jared". What ?

I think Jake is one of the most realistic characters in terms of personality: insecure kid who doesn't know how to stand up for himself and then gets powers he doesn't know what to do with them long term and gets easily manipulated.

At this point I might choose to kill him cuz it sounds the safest option and even if I were to spare him I am pretty sure he's gonna get killed sooner or later.

Well with the scene that plays out before the end of the version, it seems like he might halfway be a vessel/vehicule for Ella to walk around spying anyway. Who knows if she isn't gonna kill and absorb him herself, first of all. I still can't shake the theory that it might be her goal : create superhumans by the dozen, pit against each other any that has interesting powers/potential, and gobble them up when they're strong enough to add to her own power.

 

[Dysphorika]

He dug his own grave when he decided to trust 100% of what she was saying to him without questionning anything and without trying to think for himself. For a supossed smart guy, used to study wich implies researching and comparing informations, he's way to gullible and willing to take what assertive people tell him as absolute facts.

Unless, is precisely that what he wanted to think from the begining

 

[Rutonat]

Unless, is precisely that what he wanted to think from the begining

Doesn't seem likely. Before the whole Ella business he was way to happy to have a buff friend to protect him.

 

[PyoT]

I still can't shake the theory that it might be her goal : create superhumans by the dozen, pit against each other any that has interesting powers/potential, and gobble them up when they're strong enough to add to her own power.

It seems fairly clear that she's "looking for / trying to create" somebody or something in what she's doing. Question is what for. I don't think eating them is the answer ...
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... at least not in that sense of the word

 

[Rutonat]

It seems fairly clear that she's "looking for / trying to create" somebody or something in what she's doing. Question is what for. I don't think eating them is the answer ...
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... at least not in that sense of the word

Well, like I was saying earlier in the thread,

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. So far, we don't know if that's a lie or not, so let's consider it is not (after all she doesn't like all the time).
She also displays power that are a bit farfetched as to all of them having the same root. At first she seems to be a shapeshifter, but during the last parts of the version we have today

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Basically, what I'm trying to get at is that, there's too much that don't add up right.
We could just be missing some pieces of the puzzle, sure. But at the same time...
... what if her power was either the first one I mentionned, and allowed her to know wich candidates to turn ? Or what if her real power was a capacity to absorb other powers ?
After all,

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I know I might be reaching quite far, but to be honest, the game's scenario has me so tightly gripped that I can't help but want to try to guess.
And that's despite me usually seeing plot-twist come a mile away and spoiling myself the surprise and half the fun. Yet, on this one, I don't have a clue, I just have theories with barely any more than hints and gut feelings.

This game is a fucking gem.

 

[mrttao]

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I believe they are wrong about "5 evolutions is max", and this is due to them inducing artificial evolutions with serums which trades away their future potential for rapid early growth.
I believe she is stuck at level 4 (if that is even true) because she evolves naturally, and she is stronger than they think because of it.

We have seen how MC utterly destroys Klaus after MC gets a natural evolution and Klaus gets a drug fueled evolution. Despite the fact that Klaus' powers are a hard counter to the MC
Although someone here mentioned they did say they are giving Klaus a sub par product on his forced evolution serum. Still even their best is probably not as good.

 

[Rutonat]

I believe they are wrong about "5 evolutions is max", and this is due to them inducing artificial evolutions with serums which trades away their future potential for rapid early growth.
I believe she is stuck at level 4 (if that is even true) because she evolves naturally, and she is stronger than they think because of it.

They're not necessarily wrong. They do seem to know a lot about superhumans and monsters after all. And even she seems to react to it, which leads me to think that little jab at her ego isn't there for no reason...

We have seen how MC utterly destroys Klaus after MC gets a natural evolution and Klaus gets a drug fueled evolution. Despite the fact that Klaus' powers are a hard counter to the MC
Although someone here mentioned they did say they are giving Klaus a sub par product on his forced evolution serum. Still even their best is probably not as good.

Yeah, someone during the H.E.R.O. cutscenes say that, if memory serves. Seems like they basically sell botched serums to the mafias to make a profit and/or let their superhumans kill each others.

 

[DrakoGhoul]

Well, like I was saying earlier in the thread,

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. So far, we don't know if that's a lie or not, so let's consider it is not (after all she doesn't like all the time).
She also displays power that are a bit farfetched as to all of them having the same root. At first she seems to be a shapeshifter, but during the last parts of the version we have today

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Basically, what I'm trying to get at is that, there's too much that don't add up right.
We could just be missing some pieces of the puzzle, sure. But at the same time...
... what if her power was either the first one I mentionned, and allowed her to know wich candidates to turn ? Or what if her real power was a capacity to absorb other powers ?
After all,

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I know I might be reaching quite far, but to be honest, the game's scenario has me so tightly gripped that I can't help but want to try to guess.
And that's despite me usually seeing plot-twist come a mile away and spoiling myself the surprise and half the fun. Yet, on this one, I don't have a clue, I just have theories with barely any more than hints and gut feelings.

This game is a fucking gem.

It's explained early game, by Ella to the MC, that people can develop multiple abilities from their "parents" and that as they evolve it can branch off to different paths based off the user. It's not really far fetch that she could have all these abilities when she shares the same numbered parent(who are the most powerful among the monsters) as the MC does, as he has several/similar powers. The MC is more complete compared to her though. Also Deus mentions that Ella is dangerous because she can "see". What she can't do is "understand" like the MC does, who has it instinctually.

There's more interesting stuff I've been finding out as i replayed and some early game stuff i forgot that i just came across. There's a lot of new theories i have and more clarity for old ones.

 

[Rutonat]

It's explained early game, by Ella to the MC, that people can develop multiple abilities from their "parents" and that as they evolve it can branch off to different paths based off the user. It's not really far fetch that she could have all these abilities when she shares the same numbered parent(who are the most powerful among the monsters) as the MC does, as he has several/similar powers.

Also Deus mentions that Ella is dangerous because she can "see". What she can't do is "understand" like the MC does, who has it instinctually.[/QUOTE]

Yeah but if the Sight power she mentions to Jake isn't a lie, that's not a power the MC has, which is why I'm wondering if that's really all there is to it. Because that supposed Sight doesn't quite add up with shapeshifting. I could see it for the rest even if it might sometimes be reaching a bit, but that Sight is quite the intruder in that equation...

Also I thought it was mentionned that powers would still have a similar "theme" and not just wildly vary on a single subject. Did I get that wrong/got my memories confused ?

There's more interesting stuff I've been finding out as i replayed and some early game stuff i forgot that i just came across. There's a lot of new theories i have and more clarity for old ones.

Yeah, I'm not much of a theorist usually, but with this game I can't help but have fun with it. There really aren't many games that get me like this, porn or not. I dare even say that, for a porn game to want to make me think that much about the non-porn side is quite the accomplishment. I don't usually search porn games for their story (though I'm not gonna say no if they have a good one).

 

[DrakoGhoul]

Also Deus mentions that Ella is dangerous because she can "see". What she can't do is "understand" like the MC does, who has it instinctually.

She explained that part too. That they can inherit multiple aspects of power(transformation, reading minds and so on) and that it usually doesn't stray from the parent's original abilities. That said, she continued by saying that it's possible for the abilities to evolve through evolutions and can change depending on their genes and mindset. That they can branch off in different directions as they go through evolutions and become something else. Ella has evolved 4 times(including her first becoming a superhuman). It's possible that she diverged a lot and gain that ability. The MC has Shapeshifting, Mind reading(touch based) and "understanding". This is all before he reached lvl 2.

You also have to remember that we don't know all of our parent's abilities at moment. They could have more than transformations since the MC and Ella both have multiple abilities(some even they don't have according to Ella. The ability to change other people and things, for example, said Ella). There's a lot of mystery with a lot of wiggle room when it comes to Numbered Monsters.

 

[Rutonat]

First off, I was supposed to have double-quoted you at first but it seems I suck at using this site's quote system. It removes one of the tags and messed it up somehow... You the sentence you quoted, obviously, is what I was trying to quote. Whatever.

She explained that part too. That they can inherit multiple aspects of power(transformation, reading minds and so on) and that it usually doesn't stray from the parent's original abilities. That said, she continued by saying that it's possible for the abilities to evolve through evolutions and can change depending on their genes and mindset. That they can branch off in different directions as they go through evolutions and become something else. Ella has evolved 4 times(including her first becoming a superhuman). It's possible that she diverged a lot and gain that ability. The MC has Shapeshifting, Mind reading(touch based) and "understanding". This is all before he reached lvl 2.

Seems I've forgot the details then, thanks for reminding me. I remembered about the fact that the human's mind affected the power but not the rest. Though, since I apparently didn't get the "absorbing" variants (at least I'm pretty sure, I don't remember ready about absorbing Kenny), I don't exactly know if that gives any ability.

You also have to remember that we don't know all of our parent's abilities at moment. They could have more than transformations since the MC and Ella both have multiple abilities(some even they don't have according to Ella. The ability to change other people and things, for example, said Ella).

Yeah the thing is that, if the Walkthrough file can be trusted, which monster you "pick" to infect you has, so far, no bearing on your powers. I'd be curious to know if that'll change later on or if it's just a way of choosing a sex scene or not...

There's a lot of mystery with a lot of wiggle room when it comes to Numbered Monsters.

Well the only thing we can say for know, relatively for sure, is that our... huh... Father ? Doesn't seem to quite like the other "Numbers"... Main reason why he kinda reminded me of AoT's "Assaulting Titan" actually. It seems to be the wildcard of the lot somehow...

 

[DrakoGhoul]

Yeah the thing is that, if the Walkthrough file can be trusted, which monster you "pick" to infect you has, so far, no bearing on your powers. I'd be curious to know if that'll change later on or if it's just a way of choosing a sex scene or not...

About the wrong quote, no problem. I got which part you were talking about.

As for this quoted part, the parent choice from the beginning wasn't what i was referring(though your parent and the number changes depending on them. "Dad" is 3rd and "Mom" is 4th). I was mostly saying that we don't know all of there powers so it's possible that Ella gained a power the MC, himself, didn't inherit from them since we don't know all of their abilities, currently.

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As Ella said, it's possible that we just didn't inherit every power. She got a power we didn't get and we have a power she doesn't. Our shapeshifting is perfect while her's has flaws. There's probably going to be several differences as we progress since the MC seems to be going through a more pure or primal route compared to others. I have a feeling that the voice in his head during and after evolution has push him down a different pathway under another Numbered monster somehow. Don't know how that would work but it's just a thought i had after replaying.

Like the dev did a great job with the story. It's not overly complicated but not too simple where you can guess and find out everything easily. For example, Deus most likely has farsight or future seeing powers as he told Alexis and Clark where Ella would appear during the dorm party/kenny fight before it happened. He also told Tiffany's dad that she's going to be the death of him. I didn't notice or remember all of this the 1st time around but now I'm picking up on it.

It also explains why he already knew where we were and was able to see through our transformation. He also told us to wait until we're as powerful before confronting her and not to reveal any secrets for now. He definitely knew way too much stuff about Ella and the MC. This is just an example of what i mean by the dev making it interesting. At this moment, it's a theory but him having farsight would be dope and shows more variety in powers.

 

[Rutonat]

As for this quoted part, the parent choice from the beginning wasn't what i was referring(though your parent and the number changes depending on them. "Dad" is 3rd and "Mom" is 4th). I was mostly saying that we don't know all of there powers so it's possible that Ella gained a power the MC, himself, didn't inherit from them since we don't know all of their abilities, currently.

I see. I picked Number 4 then, but since I've yet to try doing another run, I have a question : Does picking another monster nets you another... "entity" during the evolution ? I don't remember every detail from the top of my head, but I remember the weird symbol of the hand and eye. Now I wonder if that changes or if it's eh one from your theory trying to lead us away from the original "parent"...

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Thanks for the refresher !

As Ella said, it's possible that we just didn't inherit every power. She got a power we didn't get and we have a power she doesn't. Our shapeshifting is perfect while her's has flaws. There's probably going to be several differences as we progress since the MC seems to be going through a more pure or primal route compared to others. I have a feeling that the voice in his head during and after evolution has push him down a different pathway under another Numbered monster somehow. Don't know how that would work but it's just a thought i had after replaying.

Yeah. The thing that still bugs me though is this Sight thing, but we won't really have an answer anytime soon anyway. I just keep wondering if that was a lie to stop Jake's questions or an actual information. That girl is so hard to read I'm like a yo-yo going from linking her to wanting to splatter her head against the walls (though it's been the latter for the majority of the end of this version).
Guess all we can do about that one is wait.

Like the dev did a great job with the story. It's not overly complicated but not too simple where you can guess and find out everything easily. For example, Deus most likely has farsight or future seeing powers as he told Alexis and Clark where Ella would appear during the dorm party/kenny fight before it happened. He also told Tiffany's dad that she's going to be the death of him. I didn't notice or remember all of this the 1st time around but now I'm picking up on it.

Exactly. The writting is absolutely brilliant. I don't know if it's a team or a single dev but whoever wrote the scenario has some Got Tier talent, in my opinion. You come in for the smut and end up at the edge of your seat on the story. There aren't many smut games that can achieve that while still being good on the 18+ side. Usually it's more "one or the other".

It also explains why he already knew where we were and was able to see through our transformation. He also told us to wait until we're as powerful before confronting her and not to reveal any secrets for now. He definitely knew way too much stuff about Ella and the MC. This is just an example of what i mean by the dev making it interesting. At this moment, it's a theory but him having farsight would be dope and shows more variety in powers.

I think Deus likely can see either the future, or potential futures. Depends how this universe takes the concept of t ime (either as a fixed thing or flowing and alterable). Because otherwise, it's hard to get why he left the MC roam around the H.E.R.O.'s lab to steal intel without saying anything. But if he knows it's gonna be beneficial, say because his powers showed him that the MC is the key to dealing with Ella... then it makes sense he'd essentially "betray" his colleagues instead of trying to capture or recruit the MC.
And as for the concept of time, I wagger it's probably the fluid/flowing kind for the simple reason that he didn't explain anything concrete, as if telling the future events to the MC would ruin them.
That or I'm totally off and the guy just gets off on playing the mysterious dude.

 

[DrakoGhoul]

Yeah. The thing that still bugs me though is this Sight thing, but we won't really have an answer anytime soon anyway. I just keep wondering if that was a lie to stop Jake's questions or an actual information. That girl is so hard to read I'm like a yo-yo going from linking her to wanting to splatter her head against the walls (though it's been the latter for the majority of the end of this version).
Guess all we can do about that one is wait.

Why would this still bug you when she showed most of those abilities in action already? Even without Deus explicitly confirming Ella's eyes "see a lot", she accurately guessed our power lvl, which is something not even Clark at lvl 5 could do. She saw us coming up to her apartment floor door before we even got to it(she could just have good hearing). She also was stated to be able to see through and perceive underground rocks to escape with Jake from the Hero base.

Could she have exaggerated some of that stuff? Yeah but she definitely has the ability as it's already confirmed at several parts.

 

[Rutonat]

Why would this still bug you when she showed most of those abilities in action already? Even without Deus explicitly confirming Ella's eyes "see a lot", she accurately guessed our power lvl, which is something not even Clark at lvl 5 could do. She saw us coming up to her house before we even got to the door(she could just have good hearing). She also was stated to be able to see through and perceived underground rocks to escape with Jake from the Hero base.

Could she have exaggerated some of that stuff? Yeah but she definitely has the ability as it's already confirmed at several parts.

What I meant was that I wonder, first of all, if she actually has a sight based power or if it's a lie (what she tells to Jake), and second what she actually sees if it's true/if she chooses her "tet subjects" base on that. It's not that it changes everything, but outside from that scene and the fact she can escape underground rocks and stuff (which doesn't have to come from a sight power when you're a giant freaking worm monster btw), we don't know much about it. It just keeps me asking myself how much she actually "sees" and what can really be hidden from her, in that case.

 

[DrakoGhoul]

What I meant was that I wonder, first of all, if she actually has a sight based power or if it's a lie (what she tells to Jake), and second what she actually sees if it's true/if she chooses her "tet subjects" base on that. It's not that it changes everything, but outside from that scene and the fact she can escape underground rocks and stuff (which doesn't have to come from a sight power when you're a giant freaking worm monster btw), we don't know much about it. It just keeps me asking myself how much she actually "sees" and what can really be hidden from her, in that case.

It says right in the story that she, herself, "perceives an Iron vein network that is 10 meters deep and 100 meters wide" while she was underground. She also had to dodge several of Alexis's Iron blade attacks coming rapidly at her while she was underground. Could she have done that by just feeling her surroundings move while inside the worm? Sure.

As I've already said, she could've been exaggerating some of that stuff she told Jake but there should be no doubt that she has sight based(or sense based from her words) powers of some kind. It's already confirmed that her "sight" is special by Deus. She didn't lie about them and she even says that she sees "certain things" and can see it to a "certain degree". Her not being able to see everything is actually fine since she herself never said she could in the first place.

 

[Meh21]

So glad the update's seems to be going along well with finally a date of release. I was actually afraid they would decide going on a hiatus cuz of how upseting losing a hardrive with your work can be.

 

[X-Topic]

So glad the update's seems to be going along well with finally a date of release. I was actually afraid they would decide going on a hiatus cuz of how upseting losing a hardrive with your work can be.
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OH..WHEN HE WILL RELEASE IT?

 

[Rutonat]

It says right in the story that she, herself, "perceives an Iron vein network that is 10 meters deep and 100 meters wide" while she was underground. She also had to dodge several of Alexis's Iron blade attacks coming rapidly at her while she was underground. Could she have done that by just feeling her surroundings move while inside the worm? Sure.

As I've already said, she could've been exaggerating some of that stuff she told Jake but there should be no doubt that she has sight based(or sense based from her words) powers of some kind. It's already confirmed that her "sight" is special by Deus. She didn't lie about them and she even says that she sees "certain things" and can see it to a "certain degree". Her not being able to see everything is actually fine since she herself never said she could in the first place.

Yeah, the ony option is to wait. I'm just having fun trying to see what could be foreshadowing stuff.
I'm so fucking glad I gave this game a go.