hornywolf

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Bro this game ruined my life.
I'm so hooked that I'm looking forward to this game update and story more than anything else I just come here reading peoples comments and theories and opinions.
I been more excited to see this games story tha I've been for tripleA games that are so generic and copy paste of each other these days
 
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AgumenticR

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The Lord of the Dark is in fact the 7th apostle who we see in deadend3 IIRC
Considering how he murders other avatars like nobody's business and that Aglæcwif and Valravn separate him from Apostles in general, I would be he is not just an Apostle, even if he was that once.
 

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I might need to replay my playthrough
I want to have the eye but at the same time Idk how my play through End result gonna look like
I generally recommend to get the horn because the upfront power makes it easier to get Valravn's respect. If you use it solely for stat boosts, the horn allows you more flexibility than the eye. If you use it for the Aglaecwif's extra lore, then you need to do a high skill playthrough otherwise you will lack Valravn's respect and miss out on important content. This means you have to fight Michael using technique, and make sure you reach Valravn with 19 skill.
 

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I generally recommend to get the horn because the upfront power makes it easier to get Valravn's respect. If you use it solely for stat boosts, the horn allows you more flexibility than the eye. If you use it for the Aglaecwif's extra lore, then you need to do a high skill playthrough otherwise you will lack Valravn's respect and miss out on important content. This means you have to fight Michael using technique, and make sure you reach Valravn with 19 skill.
Picking horn doesn't lock you out of Aglaecwif's path or her lore. You can still make a save, choose to take the Left path, then save and reload to read all the lore.

The Horn & the Red Light monster (picking Right in SIN caves) seem to be necessary for both Purity and Corruption paths to meet the required stat thresholds for best Boss fight outcomes. Even if you can beat Valravn without Brianna's help in the Purity path due to 19 Skill, you'll be at 99 power (without the horn) for the Monster Deryl Fight.

For corruption, you need the horn to reach 83 power to beat Valravn w/out help (you'll have 18 Skill & I think doing the 1st Michael fight can give you that extra point in skill, but I don't know what other consequences you suffer from losing out on that early point in power). For the Monster Deryl Fight, you'll have 105 power & 29 Skill (without the horn), assuming you take Left path in SIN cave for +10 power & +3 Skill. But you'll be short 5 Power overall, compared to taking Horn and then picking Right in SIN caves
 

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Picking horn doesn't lock you out of Aglaecwif's path or her lore. You can still make a save, choose to take the Left path, then save and reload to read all the lore.

The Horn & the Red Light monster (picking Right in SIN caves) seem to be necessary for both Purity and Corruption paths to meet the required stat thresholds for best Boss fight outcomes. Even if you can beat Valravn without Brianna's help in the Purity path due to 19 Skill, you'll be at 99 power (without the horn) for the Monster Deryl Fight.

For corruption, you need the horn to reach 83 power to beat Valravn w/out help (you'll have 18 Skill & I think doing the 1st Michael fight can give you that extra point in skill, but I don't know what other consequences you suffer from losing out on that early point in power). For the Monster Deryl Fight, you'll have 105 power & 29 Skill (without the horn), assuming you take Left path in SIN cave for +10 power & +3 Skill. But you'll be short 5 Power overall, compared to taking Horn and then picking Right in SIN caves
You can "savescum" to get Aglaecwif's lore, but this won't allow you to ask Valravn for the specifics because you will lack the variables. So even if you pick the eye in hopes to get more lore from Aglaecwif, without a skill playthrough you lose the extra content from Valravn since he won't talk to you.

The consequences of a skill playthrough (choosing technique vs michael) is 4 less power and less chances to get corruption because you miss on eating Kenny which creates a cascade of missed opportunities. It's not that bad though and corruption checks don't seem to be very tight. Everything else is pretty much the same.
 

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You can "savescum" to get Aglaecwif's lore, but this won't allow you to ask Valravn for the specifics because you will lack the variables. So even if you pick the eye in hopes to get more lore from Aglaecwif, without a skill playthrough you lose the extra content from Valravn since he won't talk to you.

The consequences of a skill playthrough (choosing technique vs michael) is 4 less power and less chances to get corruption because you miss on eating Kenny which creates a cascade of missed opportunities. It's not that bad though and corruption checks don't seem to be very tight. Everything else is pretty much the same.
If you're choosing the Left path (assuming you chose Eye), and then choosing Aglaecwif lore over Strength & Skill buff. You'll definitely be short on stats to save Laurie. Even on corruption path, if you chose Horn, you'd have 105 power and 26 skill, you need +3 skill to reach the 28 Skill threshold. So if you went with Aglaecwif lore, you won't be able to get +3 Skill.

Assuming you're taking the corruption path, if you picked Eye, AND you fought Michael w/ skill early on to hopefully reach 19 Skill to beat Valravn. Choosing Eye, would put you at a deficit of 10 power. By the time you reach Aglaecwif you'd have 95 power & 27 Skill. You'd be short on both Power and Skill. If you picked either Strength buff or Skill buff, you'd be lacking the stats to save Laurie. You'd need exactly both buffs, but then you're still overall 5 power less than just picking Horn and going Right to fight Red light monster

That said I didn't know you could ask Valravn more questions after getting lore from Aglaecwif
 
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We shall see tomorrow, since it's going to be a week since WW posted. For me, I'm just going to keep to my own late October to early November prediction. If it comes before that, then great. If not and he needs more time then I'll just chill like usual and let him take as long as he needs.
Ngl I took a 2-3 month break took some time to play ds2 and bloodborne two games I abhorred til I played them and finished them, now I'm back and I'm sick asf waiting on the android port. I came back saw 200+ pages abd went I feel like utter shit rn I'm not reading all that, I shall read all those pages as soon as I am no longer sick. How have you all been?
 
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lorkdubo

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Ngl I took a 2-3 month break took some time to play ds2 and bloodborne two games I abhorred til I played them and finished them, now I'm back and I'm sick asf waiting on the android port. I came back saw 200+ pages abd went I feel like utter shit rn I'm not reading all that, I shall read all those pages as soon as I am no longer sick. How have you all been?
I can kinda understand DS 2 but you didn't like Bloodborne? That's quite rare.
 

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If you're choosing the Left path (assuming you chose Eye), and then choosing Aglaecwif lore over Strength & Skill buff. You'll definitely be short on stats to save Laurie. Even on corruption path, if you chose Horn, you'd have 105 power and 26 skill, you need +3 skill to reach the 28 Skill threshold. So if you went with Aglaecwif lore, you won't be able to get +3 Skill.

Assuming you're taking the corruption path, if you picked Eye, AND you fought Michael w/ skill early on to hopefully reach 19 Skill to beat Valravn. Choosing Eye, would put you at a deficit of 10 power. By the time you reach Aglaecwif you'd have 95 power & 27 Skill. You'd be short on both Power and Skill. If you picked either Strength buff or Skill buff, you'd be lacking the stats to save Laurie. You'd need exactly both buffs, but then you're still overall 5 power less than just picking Horn and going Right to fight Red light monster

That said I didn't know you could ask Valravn more questions after getting lore from Aglaecwif
Yeah I'm only talking about the Valravn's follow up. A lot of players don't really care about Laurie and that's to be expected, because characters who can die get very little content.

If you have Valravn's respect, anything you ask Aglaecwif, you can also ask Valravn about it and get his opinion. This is pretty much the only reason to go for the eye as of now, because otherwise you need to either read the raw script or hack the game to get this information. And since generally MC does not use various knowledge he gains in any significant capacity, it's obviously the lesser choice.

An interesting question is if the eye will become better down the line.
WW tends to be explicit with his variables. Technically, the same variables used to close menu items, can be used to determine if the player has used the eye, but as of now, he has never done such a thing. This makes me think that he isn't interested in tracking it. So these are the possible scenarios IMO:

1) If the player has met Aglaecwif while in possession of the eye, that's all there is to it.
2) If the player has not met Aglaecwif while in possession of the eye, it may become relevant the next time he meets her. Since this meeting will take place at a later time, and MC will be more powerful, I think that a +10 power / +3 skill will not cut it. So I expect that if this scenario happens, the rewards will end up being more significant, which may change the optimal path for max stats.

After all, the game isn't yet half done, so I expect many things to change down the line. Like how asking Tiffany for power became the better choice in this update. Money may end up becoming better if there's an important item that the MC can't possibly gain enough money to buy.
 
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Considering how he murders other avatars like nobody's business and that Aglæcwif and Valravn separate him from Apostles in general, I would be he is not just an Apostle, even if he was that once.
For all we know now the 7th is the Lord of the Dark but for some reason he's just killing the avatar of apostles and the spawns
too.

He seems to have killed the 8th too.

Maybe he's not just killing them but also feeding off them to make himself stronger
 

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love this game but sware author bumped his head or something, aint no guy on earth laughing when there gf talking about losing her virginity like she just told funniest joke he heard all day ._. doll ella n big ella need to body swap then doll ella can get punted down the road, idk if author forgot ella is the main antagonist im not sure if i missed a first game, im confused af when ppl ask if mc and ella r secretly romantically involved, bruh she was nice 2 u like twice, ur guy known ella a whole ass year doll ella u known 3 days and u have more positive interactions with doll ella
I think it is not really accurate to see Ella as the main antagonist, yes player decision can make Mc despise her but also make him like her a lot, all choices regarding their relationship are like that, something i truly enjoy since people have very different opinions of her.
Across the story Ella is often a thorn in our side, always making Mc go through insane lenghts to test his power and make sure he is getting more powerfull, but i see her a lot more like a VERY harsh mentor figure that can become a love interest or not, at least until now.
I assume that by the end of the story Mc will have a choice to oppose Ella or bring her along, of course after beating her throughly, i don't think she would agree with something other than her own plans with words alone.
 

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I think it is not really accurate to see Ella as the main antagonist, yes player decision can make Mc despise her but also make him like her a lot, all choices regarding their relationship are like that, something i truly enjoy since people have very different opinions of her.
Across the story Ella is often a thorn in our side, always making Mc go through insane lenghts to test his power and make sure he is getting more powerfull, but i see her a lot more like a VERY harsh mentor figure that can become a love interest or not, at least until now.
I assume that by the end of the story Mc will have a choice to oppose Ella or bring her along, of course after beating her throughly, i don't think she would agree with something other than her own plans with words alone.
I have a feeling she is not the villian here, since its implied that she killed the student in her school due to losing control during evolution and not something intentional.

I have a sense she is grooming our MC, and I personlliy don't feel melice or ill will from her, I try to be neutral with everyone since nobody in this game shows their cards.
 

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I have a feeling she is not the villian here, since its implied that she killed the student in her school due to losing control during evolution and not something intentional.

I have a sense she is grooming our MC, and I personlliy don't feel melice or ill will from her, I try to be neutral with everyone since nobody in this game shows their cards.
I keep seeing people try to hand wave this school thing to her being possessed. Did some of you forget that Ella knew this was going to happen beforehand? It's like you guys forgot that she told Christie not to be around for what's about to happen. She knew those students were going to die and prioritized saving her friend only. You can say it was touching and all of that but it doesn't change that she's the one who got them all killed after all.
 

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I keep seeing people try to hand wave this school thing to her being possessed. Did some of you forget that Ella knew this was going to happen beforehand? It's like you guys forgot that she told Christie not to be around for what's about to happen. She knew those students were going to die and prioritized saving her friend only. You can say it was touching and all of that but it doesn't change that she's the one who got them all killed after all.
That's for sure. She just didn't want to kill someone she cared about. Just like in real life if circumstances are apt, you are just gonna care about people who are close to you or you formed a minimal emotional connection.
Btw, writing with good and evil in mind doesn't fit an eldritch horror story. Everything is different shades of gray.
 
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That's for sure. She just didn't want to kill someone she cared about. Just like in real life if circumstances are apt, you are just gonna care about people who are close to you or you formed a minimal emotional connection.
Btw, writing with good and evil in mind doesn't fit an eldritch horror story. Everything is different shades of gray.
I didn't mention anything about good and evil. I merely gave the full context to the scene and pointed out that she indeed did the school massacre knowing full well that they were going to die. This being an eldritch horror story has nothing to do with that fact.
 
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rainwake

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Yeah I'm only talking about the Valravn's follow up. A lot of players don't really care about Laurie and that's to be expected, because characters who can die get very little content.
That's debatable. There's actually quite a few characters you can kill off in the Corruption path, just to gain more corruption. So far, choosing not to kill some of the characters seem to make a difference. Sparing Danica makes it possible to succeed in the B rank Hunt, and earns you Danica affection. Historically if you can build Affection on a girl, then there will eventually be H-scenes with her. Sparing Jake seems to make it possible for Mia to fully regain her memories at the Bonfire event. Not killing Christie is mandatory to avoid a Dead End. Not killing Demi keeps her path open & is required for the Clover Demi H-scene, Sparing Clover (from Death or jail) grants +2 Demi affection & is required for the Clover Demi H-scene. Not killing cops during the Mall event is required to unlock a later Brianna sex scene It's speculative, but I would not be surprised if saving Laurie, a superhuman with CC abilities, and special requirements to save, winds up paying dividends in the long run. Not unlike beating Valravn without Brianna's help.

2) If the player has not met Aglaecwif while in possession of the eye, it may become relevant the next time he meets her. Since this meeting will take place at a later time, and MC will be more powerful, I think that a +10 power / +3 skill will not cut it. So I expect that if this scenario happens, the rewards will end up being more significant, which may change the optimal path for max stats.
What you're saying is purely speculation. There are other points in the game, particularly on Corruption path, where you get a Dead End, but also a lot of interesting lore. I'm referring to the early Ella fight where you actually beat her and you encounter the monster that turned you into a Superhuman, and then an Unknown entity kills it, surprising even Ella. The other case is the Lvl 3 evolution, where it's possible to ask the Eye entity a question, get denied, then say Yes, then die and come back for a lot of interesting lore. In both cases, there's no payoff to unlocking it (aside from the exclusive Ella sex scene), because you obviously die shortly after, but it's the only way to get that lore.

Overall, I think the rewards for keeping certain characters alive and getting the best ending from fights has a bigger payoff than collecting lore. And it will probably continue to have a greater payoff moving forward. So far, the game has snowballed the effects of good choices even from early game (like the 1st Michael fight). Those small advantages and choices wind up making a big difference in major fight outcomes. I would not be surprised if the story's true ending, depends on getting ideal outcomes and meeting very demanding stat cutoffs.
 

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I didn't mention anything about good and evil. I merely gave the full context to the scene and pointed out that she indeed did the school massacre knowing full well that they were going to die. This being an eldritch horror story has nothing to do with that fact.
I think she indeed knew what would happen the main clue being how she asked Christie to not attend the party, i think it is important to acknowledge what characters did to understand them better. Instead of thinking that she was just minding her business and BOOM, evolution out of nowhere, no she knew it would be dangerous to her friend, she went there and killed all those people, only stopping to protect her friend.
If you can accept that and like the character or not is a personal choice.
 
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