VN Ren'Py Superhuman [v0.999] [WeirdWorld]

[Dysphorika]

Jake uses the MC's friends against him. He could have pretty much turned them all against him, turned every one of his female friends into his slaves if he so choosed. The more that arc goes, the more it shows that Jake is letting go of any morals without making any effort to hang on to them.

As the typical mind gamer villain.

 

[Venyas]

Well yeah, but have to put yourself in his shoes.
He's a fat virgin loser, that got bullied in school and was friendzoned by the only female friend he ever had... (I know this must be very difficult for most people here to imagine)
...then suddenly Ella comes along:
A beautiful big-tiddie-goth-girl that saves him from his miserable life being giving him the 2 things he's always wanted (love and power).
Ella must, at least subconciously, be like a goddess for him and he also is deeply indebted to her for what she gave him.
It's basically like MK-Ultra (just without the torture) - Jake is in a brainwashed-like state when it comes to Ella.
I believe he's slowly snapping out of it though, starting to distrust his goddess, and will eventually heal a certain girl together with MC's new powers.

While I agree with you on the "put yourself in his shoes" there is a line between victim and aggressor and in Jakes case, he is the later. That and, he does look like he is snapping, but not in the good way. So yeah, no mercy.

 

[MuleCurse]

The big problem with Jake really doesn't even involve his actions in the story.

Jake is just... extremely mentally unstable in terms of mood switches, worldview, morality compass. And this is REALLY bad. He's constantly trying to switch between who he was, who he wants to be, who Ella wants him to be, and he's just doing nothing well. He's not being some self-serving mutant like Ella or the other villains, he's not a superpowered friend like the superpowered friends we got, he's not being his old self just with superpowers.
Also, his powers are absurdly powerful right from the start. Forget my talk about our MC having "biological singularity" powers where he keeps evolving new traits until he reaches godhood. Jake has already reached that level. He just fucking took over half the government.

The guy is a living bomb. The only way I can see Jake surviving is if HERO takes him in and basically fridges him into some therapy trajectory.

And Jake being a living bomb means he can and will do damage to EVERYONE that he's involved with, us and Ella. I'm actually expecting Jake to become Ella's archilles heel.

 

[Rutonat]

Also, his powers are absurdly powerful right from the start. Forget my talk about our MC having "biological singularity" powers where he keeps evolving new traits until he reaches godhood. Jake has already reached that level. He just fucking took over half the government.

Actually it's not all that powerfull, for powered people. The prison part shows that the MC now barely needs a few minutes to overcome the mental control, which heavily suggest that it's a matter of willpower and being conscious of the fact, which is way normal humans are so easily manipulated : they have no idea about his powers.
Or it might just be that only powered people can break the mind control.
Or it's the MC himself since, as I stated in a previous post, more than shapeshifting, the MC's power seems to be Adaptation. To me, he seems more to be unlocking new abilities/mutations depending on what the situation needs, half the time.

The guy is a living bomb. The only way I can see Jake surviving is if HERO takes him in and basically fridges him into some therapy trajectory.

And Jake being a living bomb means he can and will do damage to EVERYONE that he's involved with, us and Ella. I'm actually expecting Jake to become Ella's archilles heel.

Very likely Jake won't survive. He's already too far gone, even trying to negotiate fails since he refuses to doubt Ella or consider other possibilites than those he went full throttle towards.
But I doubt he's going to be Ella's downfall. Even if she likes his powers, she doesn't seem to care much about the fate of her puppets in the long run.

 

[CoalBurner]

Very likely Jake won't survive. He's already too far gone, even trying to negotiate fails since he refuses to doubt Ella or consider other possibilites than those he went full throttle towards.

I think he's close enough to the line that whether or not he survives will be almost entirely decided by how the developer uses him in this update. I wouldn't be surprised if we even get to choose what happens to him, though I don't know how much hassle that would make for the dev.

 

[Deleted member 2553135]

he surely knows that MC doesn't die from a simple gunshot by now.
The whole prison fight was just a harmless dick comparison I think.

That is incorrect (unless Jake is acting). He is confused when Ella tells him the MC is alive, and explicitly says that he now knows he is stronger because you are dead (after he kills you in prison). Thus, he did actually want to kill the MC.

 

[KingWeWuz]

Jake is stronger than the mc though, isn't he? Jake gave the mc a simple command, "touch your nose" and the mc was completely powerless to stop him.

Jake might actually have even more potential than the mc. MC went through hell fighting a guy much stronger than him to evolve while jake just used his abilities almost casually.

 

[MuleCurse]

But I doubt he's going to be Ella's downfall. Even if she likes his powers, she doesn't seem to care much about the fate of her puppets in the long run.

Well, yeah. It kinda depends on how you see Ella's position in the story.

I think Ella is a very clever girl, but not clever enough to play chess with the big boys (I mean Mr. Robot-hand and whatever the monsters are planning). Eventually she's going to end up cornered (like in that one Dead End where Ella dies fighting a monster and we end up dying to that same monster shortly after), and we'll get a choice to help or let her rot/die/get eaten/become a lab rat.

I wouldn't be surprised if Jake's little government take-over puts him on the radar of mr. Robot-hand, and that in turn puts Ella on the radar of mr. Robot-hand.

 

[DrakoGhoul]

Well, I'd say the things Jake did were pretty harmless so far (apart from taking over the government).
He was probably just bluffing about killing Deryl and he surely knows that MC doesn't die from a simple gunshot by now.
The whole prison fight was just a harmless dick comparison I think.

MC being able to heal Mia alone by absorbing Jake's powers also is uncertain.
Jake is becoming basically an expert on his own powers and it isn't guarenteed MC will be able to use them as well as Jake if he absorbs them, unless I forgot some lore.

What are you talking about? Jake isn't needed at all to heal Mia. His power set doesn't work like that. It's the MC's and Ella's power that he needs. Why would the MC need to steal Jake's power when he has the power to heal Mia himself?

Also saying Jake is harmless ignores everything he did. He didn't know the MC would survive the gunshot until after Ella told him. He actually thought the MC was dead. As for Deryl, he turned him into his puppet immediately after that scene(we don't know yet if it's Ella or the real one yet).

Like, you can't just say that Jake trying multiple times to use his power to control the MC is just harmless fun. Him putting the MC in prison was solely because he couldn't fight the MC straight up. The MC, prior to the prison thing, did absolutely nothing at all to Jake. Everything that happened is because of Jake's own paranoia and jealousy.

 

[CoalBurner]

Jake is stronger than the mc though, isn't he? Jake gave the mc a simple command, "touch your nose" and the mc was completely powerless to stop him.

Jake might actually have even more potential than the mc. MC went through hell fighting a guy much stronger than him to evolve while jake just used his abilities almost casually.

I think it's more so that a power like Jake's isn't exactly common, so it's hard to build up defenses for. The big problem with his power is that if someone can break through the mind control, he's essentially just a really healthy human, a far cry from being able to do anything to literally any other powered. Also it seems to have been shown, that the more outrageous the order is, the easier it is to break.
If the mc's power as other's suspect is adaptation, given a couple more encounters with jake, he probably won't be able to control us in any meaningful way ever again.

 

[CoalBurner]

What are you talking about? Jake isn't needed at all to heal Mia. His power set doesn't work like that. It's the MC's and Ella's power that he needs. Why would the MC need to steal Jake's power when he has the power to heal Mia himself?

Wasn't there some sort of line that jake said, that he needed more control over his powers in order to properly heal mia?
I was under the impression it was a tag team deal, where MC or Ella fixed the physical damage, while Jake went about making sure there isn't any lasting mental defects.

 

[Deleted member 2553135]

Wasn't there some sort of line that jake said, that he needed more control over his powers in order to properly heal mia?
I was under the impression it was a tag team deal, where MC or Ella fixed the physical damage, while Jake went about making sure there isn't any lasting mental defects.

I found 1 line at day 54 that implies that. Jake says "I still need to hone my powers to do my part, I've almost got it, but I need a little more control if I'm going to fix her safely."
However, MC and/or Ella probably can fix it themselves also would be my guess.

 

[DrakoGhoul]

Jake is stronger than the mc though, isn't he? Jake gave the mc a simple command, "touch your nose" and the mc was completely powerless to stop him.

Jake might actually have even more potential than the mc. MC went through hell fighting a guy much stronger than him to evolve while jake just used his abilities almost casually.

No, Jake isn't stronger. That command thing only worked because they're near the same lvl and he still had his hook in the MC. He evolved easily because his path is different from the MC's. The MC has to consume and train because his power is physical. Jake's power deals with the mental aspect while his body is still nearly human, durability wise. The MC actually could kill Jake with one lethal strike but he couldn't get pass the defensive aspect of their powers.

Also, the prison fight showed that the MC let his defense down because he knew the gunshot to the head wouldn't kill him. If Jake continued the command of "Kill yourself", without the gun part, Jake would've died as the MC's power was overpowering him.

As for potential, it's not comparable. They're both under different Numbered Monsters(Jake is under the 1st and the MC is under the 4th). Ella only tells Jake that to stroke his ego and get him to fight the MC, who he feels inferior too.

 

[DrakoGhoul]

Wasn't there some sort of line that jake said, that he needed more control over his powers in order to properly heal mia?
I was under the impression it was a tag team deal, where MC or Ella fixed the physical damage, while Jake went about making sure there isn't any lasting mental defects.

It could be. I'll have to check the dialogue again from that part. We'll have to also wait for the update because the MC may have the ability to turn her to normal completely with his "reconstruction" thing.

 

[Rutonat]

Well, I'd say the things Jake did were pretty harmless so far (apart from taking over the government).
He was probably just bluffing about killing Deryl and he surely knows that MC doesn't die from a simple gunshot by now.
The whole prison fight was just a harmless dick comparison I think.

MC being able to heal Mia alone by absorbing Jake's powers also is uncertain.
Jake is becoming basically an expert on his own powers and it isn't guarenteed MC will be able to use them as well as Jake if he absorbs them, unless I forgot some lore.

Again, you keep saying that Mia's issue is only her mind. It isn't. Otherwise he wouldn't need Ella. He physically destroyed her brain. He did physical damage.

Jake is stronger than the mc though, isn't he? Jake gave the mc a simple command, "touch your nose" and the mc was completely powerless to stop him.

Jake might actually have even more potential than the mc. MC went through hell fighting a guy much stronger than him to evolve while jake just used his abilities almost casually.

Yes and no. In that same scene, the MC barely needs a few minutes to overcome the mind control. Each times Jake uses it on the MC, he manages to free himself faster and faster. Jake isn't stronger.
Especially if my theory is right and the MC's real power is Adaptation rather than Shapeshifting.

I don't see how Jake ruined MC's life, apart from taking some of Ella's attention away.
And being bullied by Ella honestly seems pretty nice.
I wish Ella would bully me as well.

I didn't say he succeeded. But he did try. Just sending him to prison and trying to blackmail him to stay there is already a lot. Sure, the game's universe isn't ours, but having done prison time isn't exactly a glowing mark.

MC just got the hang of healing large body parts.
But a face alone already has the some complexity as the rest of the body and fixing a brain must be super-complicated.
Even if MC physically fixes her brain, her mind would likely still be damaged.

In that same scene, he does state that it's not like he's making a new limb. His power fuels the body's instinct to repair itself. I doubt the MC know enough anatomy to remake an arm like he does. That's his test subjects bodies doing that part of t he work, he just needs to give the right amount of "fuel".

Maybe, but what will she think if MC says "Hey, you were in a coma, but I killed and ate your best childhood friend, and healed you with my superpowers."?
I don't think that's gonna happen.

If that's your argument to say Jake's going to live and become buddy again... I highly doubt it. I don't even know why you think the MC is going to tell everything to her. He's hiding it from the twins he's way closer with, why would he tell Mia and not them ? Doesn't make sense.

Well, yeah. It kinda depends on how you see Ella's position in the story.

I think Ella is a very clever girl, but not clever enough to play chess with the big boys (I mean Mr. Robot-hand and whatever the monsters are planning). Eventually she's going to end up cornered (like in that one Dead End where Ella dies fighting a monster and we end up dying to that same monster shortly after), and we'll get a choice to help or let her rot/die/get eaten/become a lab rat.

I wouldn't be surprised if Jake's little government take-over puts him on the radar of mr. Robot-hand, and that in turn puts Ella on the radar of mr. Robot-hand.

Hm. You make some points, but I doubt Ella's going to be going down so soon. Seeing how long and how much she's been plotting and planning, I think she's likely going to be one of the long running threats in this game. Maybe not the end-boss, but at least a few more arcs.

Wasn't there some sort of line that jake said, that he needed more control over his powers in order to properly heal mia?
I was under the impression it was a tag team deal, where MC or Ella fixed the physical damage, while Jake went about making sure there isn't any lasting mental defects.

Possible, but that's not gonna be enough anyway. It's not like he locked her mind or something. That wouldn't have causes the massive bleeding I seem to remember... That can only be physical damage. Either way, the MC is more trustworthy than Ella for the sole reason than Mia is also his friend. But Jake being the paranoïd moron he is...


Fuck me that was a long post.

 

[empty sides]

I wonder how the doctor will come into play to be honest where does he fit in to the story?

as far as we know he's responsible for the faster evolutions(?) or giving people powers but what other role does he play?
who is robot arm guy, I probably missed something

 

[DrakoGhoul]

I wonder how the doctor will come into play to be honest where does he fit in to the story?

as far as we know he's responsible for the faster evolutions(?) or giving people powers but what other role does he play?
who is robot arm guy, I probably missed something

Think of the doctor as someone who only cares about his research and furthering humanity. He'll help anyone as long as it can advance his work. He's officially working with Hero Organization and Tiffany's Dad(Robot Arm guy) but He'll help others if it suits his needs. An example is Klaus and his dad's mafia family. He helped them secretly and that's how Klaus was able to get a syringe.

So far, we don't know his true goals but he's on the side of humanity and will do whatever to make sure they evolve(my assumption) and beat the Monster threat out there. It's very reminiscent of the Illusive Man from the Mass Effect series or another series but I'm not able to recall the name at this moment.

 

[Rutonat]

So far, we don't know his true goals but he's on the side of humanity and will do whatever to make sure they evolve(my assumption) and beat the Monster threat out there. It's very reminiscent of the Illusive Man from the Mass Effect series or another series but I'm not able to recall the name at this moment.

"The road to Hell is paved with good intentions."

 

[Dysphorika]

It's very reminiscent of the Illusive Man from the Mass Effect series or another series but I'm not able to recall the name at this moment.

Anyone who played Mass Effect knows how that ends...

 

[Y.F.Y.]

Anyone who played Mass Effect knows how that ends...

Three Color Ending
Destroy all Monsters (red)
Control all Monsters (blue)
Fuse all humanity with the monsters (green)