I go full corruption my mom tell me that I am more alike to grandfather than grandmother and I am not pure.
If I go full pure (not corruption) path dose that mean I will be more like grandmother than grandfather and I will be pure?
Also back then I kill the Jake (kinda sad) but dose his death impactfull on the story?
The last I still cant understand one thing...so I had mom and dad (the monsters) okay I get It but why the hell the I feel like grandfather and grandmother are far more important?
Also when I fight with the Jake and when he try to order me any eye (my grandfather) show and protect itself me from him thats usually dont happen In this game when they intervene even when I fight Hydra or Varan (the dark knight) they dont intervene.
The last for my own good sake who Is my monster mom,dad,grandfather and grandmother? I mean their appearance In my visions/mc because I never fucking know who I seeing.
Edit.also my mom tell me that I would become eventually a superhuman even If Ella would not help me In that I am correct?
It has nothing to do with corruption don't worry. You are always impure and more like grandfather.
Jake being dead doesn't change much at this point. Only a few dialogues.
Monster mom (from MC's point of view) = Grandmother (from Syla's point of view) = Memory (The pink monster that may infect you)
Monster father (from MC's point of view) = Grandfather (from Syla's point of view) = Body (The purple monster that may infect you)
She just has a different frame of reference. Syla acts like Memory is her mother, so to her son, she is grandmother. We don't know if Memory is Syla's monster mother or her actual mother because we don't really know what Syla is. She doesn't want to tell us yet.
I go full corruption my mom tell me that I am more alike to grandfather than grandmother and I am not pure.
If I go full pure (not corruption) path dose that mean I will be more like grandmother than grandfather and I will be pure?
Also back then I kill the Jake (kinda sad) but dose his death impactfull on the story?
no it's just related to the story , mc use more is body trait tan memory , Corruption isnt related to that and so far bring you closer to your monster part whit some little consequence like you can understand some monster talking.
The last I still cant understand one thing...so I had mom and dad (the monsters) okay I get It but why the hell the I feel like grandfather and grandmother are far more important?
Also when I fight with the Jake and when he try to order me any eye (my grandfather) show and protect itself me from him thats usually dont happen In this game when they intervene even when I fight Hydra or Varan (the dark knight) they dont intervene.
I go full corruption my mom tell me that I am more alike to grandfather than grandmother and I am not pure.
If I go full pure (not corruption) path dose that mean I will be more like grandmother than grandfather and I will be pure?
Also back then I kill the Jake (kinda sad) but dose his death impactfull on the story?
It has nothing to do with corruption but with his development until this point. Until now MC was heavily relying on his body to get through any obstacle so his body trait went further than memory.
WOW............after getting used to the heavily cartoon look I really do enjoy this VN
The action becoming more and more breathtaking, I wonder if the story will hold this level.
Anyway beeing happy to have found this amazing game - well done!!!
It has nothing to do with corruption don't worry. You are always impure and more like grandfather.
Jake being dead doesn't change much at this point. Only a few dialogues.
Monster mom (from MC's point of view) = Grandmother (from Syla's point of view) = Memory (The pink monster that may infect you)
Monster father (from MC's point of view) = Grandfather (from Syla's point of view) = Body (The purple monster that may infect you)
She just has a different frame of reference. Syla acts like Memory is her mother, so to her son, she is grandmother. We don't know if Memory is Syla's monster mother or her actual mother because we don't really know what Syla is. She doesn't want to tell us yet.
Im quite confusse right now she say "Syla" that she do something bad In the past so her "mother" our "grandmother" are not happy with that,her and me are no longer "pure" and also that her (grandmother) siblings would insta kill me If they meet me (expect her one brother)
Also thats no quite right what you say the part about mom and grandmother,the eye when I was fight with Jake was the "grandfather" not the monsters who infect me....while my mom and dad (monsters) wants good to me and some kinda loves me thats not quite tru to the grandfather (the eye) while he dont mind consume me when he ask this when I was fight with the monster Deryl...It was second time when he intervening with me.
Also Im asking about my visions In mind before not only with Syla I saw In them a monsters right? but I dont know what they say all I know there was at least 3-4 figures (not at the same time) and I was asking who Is who.
Im quite confusse right now she say "Syla" that she do something bad In the past so her "mother" our "grandmother" are not happy with that,her and me are no longer "pure" and also that her (grandmother) siblings would insta kill me If they meet me (expect her one brother)
Also thats no quite right what you say the part about mom and grandmother,the eye when I was fight with Jake was the "grandfather" not the monsters who infect me....while my mom and dad (monsters) wants good to me and some kinda loves me thats not quite tru to the grandfather (the eye) while he dont mind consume me when he ask this when I was fight with the monster Deryl...It was second time when he intervening with me.
Also Im asking about my visions In mind before not only with Syla I saw In them a monsters right? but I dont know what they say all I know there was at least 3-4 figures (not at the same time) and I was asking who Is who.
It seems like they're (the third and the fourth) not happy with Syla because she "took in some bad stuff" this will probably be cleared up in the next update however 3&4 also couldve been upset with MC being born
Okay so which path is the optimal choice here? Investigating with Rina or Joining the Tournament with Met?
As far as the walkthrough dictates, the former grants you +1 with Rina and some money while the latter gives you +1 with Met and +3 to both Skill and Power. Stat wise, going with Met will grant you a boost to your stats which is always a good thing considering that there are a lot of stat checks, usually from either the skill or power stat. However, going with Rina might potentially unlock lewd scenes with her in the future (Also, does picking this route have any scenes with her in this current build?) and more information/lore regarding S.I.N. Besides that, I already took Tiffany's offer earlier in the game aka her giving me a fuck ton of money so I'm pretty much loaded with cash already defeating the purpose of choosing Rina except for the +1. Plus, given the shit ton of money I have, I can just buy the monster parts from the shop either way.
So... these are the options I've weight out. That said' which is the better path here? Also, among the two paths, which has a more interesting or better story between them?
Okay so which path is the optimal choice here? Investigating with Rina or Joining the Tournament with Met?
As far as the walkthrough dictates, the former grants you +1 with Rina and some money while the latter gives you +1 with Met and +3 to both Skill and Power. Stat wise, going with Met will grant you a boost to your stats which is always a good thing considering that there are a lot of stat checks, usually from either the skill or power stat. However, going with Rina might potentially unlock lewd scenes with her in the future (Also, does picking this route have any scenes with her in this current build?) and more information/lore regarding S.I.N. Besides that, I already took Tiffany's offer earlier in the game aka her giving me a fuck ton of money so I'm pretty much loaded with cash already defeating the purpose of choosing Rina except for the +1. Plus, given the shit ton of money I have, I can just buy the monster parts from the shop either way.
So... these are the options I've weight out. That said' which is the better path here? Also, among the two paths, which has a more interesting or better story between them?
From a content perspective, I find the Tournament the best. I like the type of information we get and the scenes a lot more than the other route.
The optimal path is the tournament because it gives you stats and enough money for the shopkeep. Unless an update drops where some variable from the "Drop out" route becomes important, there is nothing there. Traditionally, the relationship checks aren't that tight, I doubt that this +1 with Rina will be that important.
You can always do the tournament, reset at Jared and do the "Drop out" route, but personally I'd rather do the tournament twice for +6 Skill.
Hey guys. I was trying to do all dead ends. Some are missing (ie. 26-30) from the walkthrough. Does anybody knows if those are actually not in the game? If they exists... does anyone know how to do it?
Thanks all.
From a content perspective, I find the Tournament the best. I like the type of information we get and the scenes a lot more than the other route.
The optimal path is the tournament because it gives you stats and enough money for the shopkeep. Unless an update drops where some variable from the "Drop out" route becomes important, there is nothing there. Traditionally, the relationship checks aren't that tight, I doubt that this +1 with Rina will be that important.
You can always do the tournament, reset at Jared and do the "Drop out" route, but personally I'd rather do the tournament twice for +6 Skill.
Hey guys. I was trying to do all dead ends. Some are missing (ie. 26-30) from the walkthrough. Does anybody knows if those are actually not in the game? If they exists... does anyone know how to do it?
Thanks all.
I read the last few posts and have a couple of doubts.
1) I had assumed that Authority, Power, Memory etc were not the names of the specific apostles, but more their powers\domains, and that there were two apostles per power, one each in the two pairs 1-6 (aligned with the moon), 7-12 (aligned with the sea), with obviously different derivations, or rather interpretations, of those powers. So the second set of apostles has powers related to completely different aspects? It might make sense since there are already the concepts of order, evolution and infinity (plus probably three more for the other six) to bind the apostles into pairs and link them with the 6 arbiters.
2) I did not understand whether Ella is the chosen of the third apostle or not. The doubt I have is that she is neither pure nor 50/50, being much more body than memory, but at the same time she seems pretty cosy with the third and fourth.
3) I read a few posts ago that Tanos is the son of a chosen. Where did this information come from? Because I have not encountered it anywhere that I can remember. The only thing that seems significant to me about him, besides his father and how much of a piece of crap he is, is that he is probably behind Ella as a superhuman. Kinda sad the MC didn't recognize him in the picture Ella had of him.
Btw: this game is sick. When I downloaded 1 GB of files, I didn't expect THIS much content and surely not something so deep lore and character-wise.
I read the last few posts and have a couple of doubts.
1) I had assumed that Authority, Power, Memory etc were not the names of the specific apostles, but more their powers\domains, and that there were two apostles per power, one each in the two pairs 1-6 (aligned with the moon), 7-12 (aligned with the sea), with obviously different derivations, or rather interpretations, of those powers. So the second set of apostles has powers related to completely different aspects? It might make sense since there are already the concepts of order, evolution and infinity (plus probably three more for the other six) to bind the apostles into pairs and link them with the 6 arbiters.
2) I did not understand whether Ella is the chosen of the third apostle or not. The doubt I have is that she is neither pure nor 50/50, being much more body than memory, but at the same time she seems pretty cosy with the third and fourth.
3) I read a few posts ago that Tanos is the son of a chosen. Where did this information come from? Because I have not encountered it anywhere that I can remember. The only thing that seems significant to me about him, besides his father and how much of a piece of crap he is, is that he is probably behind Ella as a superhuman. Kinda sad the MC didn't recognize him in the picture Ella had of him.
Btw: this game is sick. When I downloaded 1 GB of files, I didn't expect THIS much content and surely not something so deep lore and character-wise.
1) The 12 Apostles are all siblings. They're 6 sets of twins. Each twin is closely linked to each other and have half of an original trait, that belongs to an Arbiter/Origin. There's 6 Arbiters.
Beyond that we don't know but the new assumption is the 6 Arbiters are two sets of triplets who's three Original traits come from one of the Outer Twin each. This is speculation though so you don't have to worry about this bit.
Just so you know. The implied position is:
0. God ???
1. Outer Twins (2)
2. 6 Arbiters
3. 12 Apostles
4. The Chosen
2) Ella was turned by, and is the chosen of the 3rd but presumably had enough compatibility with the 4th. She's like MC, but worse I suppose. I still think if she just killed Christie like she supposed to do, she would've unlocked the Memory trait. That's my own belief though so you don't really have to keep it in mind.
3) Tanos is the "son" of the Rebis, who's a chosen of the 12th Apostle. As in, that's his monster parent. We learn this from Devana and Shen among others. Tanos also called Deryl "brother" indicating that he was also turned by it. His human dad is Xanthe.
1) The 12 Apostles are all siblings. They're 6 sets of twins. Each twin is closely linked to each other and have half of an original trait, that belongs to an Arbiter/Origin. There's 6 Arbiters.
Beyond that we don't know but the new assumption is the 6 Arbiters are two sets of triplets who's three Original traits come from one of the Outer Twin each. This is speculation though so you don't have to worry about this bit.
Just so you know. The implied position is:
0. God ???
1. Outer Twins (2)
2. 6 Arbiters
3. 12 Apostles
4. The Chosen
2) Ella was turned by, and is the chosen of the 3rd but presumably had enough compatibility with the 4th. She's like MC, but worse I suppose. I still think if she just killed Christie like she supposed to do, she would've unlocked the Memory trait. That's my own belief though so you don't really have to keep it in mind.
3) Tanos is the "son" of the Rebis, who's a chosen of the 12th Apostle. As in, that's his monster parent. We learn this from Devana and Shen among others. Tanos also called Deryl "brother" indicating that he was also turned by it. His human dad is Xanthe.
I got the genesis of the apostles right, yay xD Even if for now is only an assumption. The only additional passage in my theory is that god = origin.
I suppose the other 6 apostles' powers are assumptions, but they make absolute sense. We know Eishtet is the daughter of the ninth and her power is all about reality. We also know that Tiffany is the fake spawn of the eight (being the other with the sixth that can travel the cosmos in an instant) and well, that's a clear connection. And we know what powers are those of the Moon twins. And that the descendants of the seventh follow the dark god.
My original assumption was based on the fact that light = power because light is a type of radiation, similar to the power of Michael in a sense, just another interpretation of it; time can equal destruction and ether (space) could bring to life or transfer things around the cosmos. Still, your theory is more grounded because it takes account of Eishtet and Evana said she creates things when talking about her monsters, so it didn't make perfect sense with the Ether and was the weak point of my theory.
That Tanos was created by Rebis itself we know from the man himself I believe, but I had another interpretation of chosen, that's why I was confused about the term.
I read the last few posts and have a couple of doubts.
1) I had assumed that Authority, Power, Memory etc were not the names of the specific apostles, but more their powers\domains, and that there were two apostles per power, one each in the two pairs 1-6 (aligned with the moon), 7-12 (aligned with the sea), with obviously different derivations, or rather interpretations, of those powers. So the second set of apostles has powers related to completely different aspects? It might make sense since there are already the concepts of order, evolution and infinity (plus probably three more for the other six) to bind the apostles into pairs and link them with the 6 arbiters.
2) I did not understand whether Ella is the chosen of the third apostle or not. The doubt I have is that she is neither pure nor 50/50, being much more body than memory, but at the same time she seems pretty cosy with the third and fourth.
3) I read a few posts ago that Tanos is the son of a chosen. Where did this information come from? Because I have not encountered it anywhere that I can remember. The only thing that seems significant to me about him, besides his father and how much of a piece of crap he is, is that he is probably behind Ella as a superhuman. Kinda sad the MC didn't recognize him in the picture Ella had of him.
Btw: this game is sick. When I downloaded 1 GB of files, I didn't expect THIS much content and surely not something so deep lore and character-wise.
1.
- Those names are in fact the names of the Apostles.
- Arbiters don't have names according to the Eye. Only their power has name.
- The Apostles are Arbiters' children, each Arbiter has two children which are twins.
- The "God's X" phrase is the name of the Apostle's power.
At the moment we also have some information associated with the other Apostles.
The 7th:
We know he is associated with the Dark. I don't think it's the Apostle's name, probably the name of the power.
The 8th:
We tend to call this apostle Light, but it's not confirmed. It's a fairly safe assumption though. I bet Light is the name of the power.
The 9th:
We have a name for him, Truth, because we know that Eisheth gets her powers from him, and she calls herself the "Chosen of Truth".
The 10th:
We assume he is related to Illusions, Dreams, Fantasies, some form of altered perception. We don't have a name for him or his power.
The 11th:
We don't have a name, but we assume it's related to either Destruction or Annihilation. Basically the opposite of the 12th, as we know more about him.
The 12th:
I think WW kind of slipped up and gave us the name for this one as MC shouldn't have the knowledge. MC wonders about Devana "what the hell are her powers? Creation? like Deryl?" Since Devana is a confirmed spawn of the 12th, we can safely assume that "Creation" is either the Apostle name or the power name. It's not exactly confirmed, but a safe assumption.
We also have reason to assume that there exists a God, and that the Outer Twins are probably one step above the Arbiters. Perhaps it's the Outer Twins associated with Moon and Sea somehow, although probably not directly.
For the Moon and Sea in particular, we can also assume that they are completely unrelated to either Apostles, Arbiters or Outer Twins.
It's possible that they are the domains of other God-like beings, like the Great Ocean. There is an ongoing debate on the nature of the Lord of Dark, but if he turns out to be a distinct entity and not the 7th, he may be related to the Moon, while the Great Ocean to the Sea.
2.
Ella seems to be chosen by Memory but she was infected by Body. Both have active communication with her, but with the latest knowledge we got from the update, we don't exactly have a role for Body to fill. During deadend3, Ella calls Memory. The 50-50 hybrids seem to be Memory's project with Body being along for the ride.
If Syla is generally correct about Apostles, Ella is probably close to 50-50. She just failed to manifest Memory powers for whatever reasons. I have a theory in the offtopic, but I can't tell you anything for sure.
3.
Tanos tells Deryl that he also got his powers from the Rebis.
We know that Rebis is one of the Chosen who lead monsterkind thanks to the Memory Hound's vision during SIN Tournament.
