TheNPC

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If Weird said the sky is green, does that make his words factual? Devs can be wrong, even about their own game. They're only human.

I love this game, but pretending dead ends are anything but your character dying without giving us actual context is just... ridiculous.

They do? Since Weird is the creator of the game, everything he said about it is fact. Sure, if he advertised the game is 100% realistic like our real world, then we can complain about the sky colour and what not. Even then, Weird could have use some excuses like it's a parallel world and the sky is green there and none of us can say anything against it.

But here we have people who can transform in all kind of creatures/chimeras, turn in living fire/lightning, monsters with human speech, some outer gods like entity. If you can't deny those things, then you can't deny whatever weird said about his "dead ends".
 
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TheNPC

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It's a completely fair amount of time but shit... VN enjoyers have it rough
Yeah, the pain of waiting is unbearable, but at least for me I can endure it since I know weird delivers what he says.

Unlike some other devs who kept prolonging the updates, milking the game, or go straight up radio silent without any announcement:FacePalm:
 
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I wonder how messed up the human world will be when we get back from the monster world... or perhaps the monster world is like a hyperbolic time chamber and barely any time will have passed despite our excursion to find a new portal lasting a few months. Really hope it won't end right after we get back, but cliffhangers are getting worse with each update so I guess we should brace for that. And IIRC the next update will be the last one for quite a while right?
 

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The dev said the next one won't take as long as the last so next update should be around early to mid August.
No my guy when weird said it wouldn't be like the last update it means the normal time that is 70-75 days.Which basically means the update will drop anywhere from 10-20th September not August.
 
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If Weird said the sky is green, does that make his words factual? Devs can be wrong, even about their own game. They're only human.

I love this game, but pretending dead ends are anything but your character dying without giving us actual context is just... ridiculous.
I get your point ngl dead ends = MC is dead but when Weird himself said Ella didn't kill MC in the dead end where you tell your link to memory, Weird imo just wanted to tease us into wondering what the hell Ella actually did, and to clarify Ella's intent wasn't to kill MC, either Ella made him a vessel for something or kept him from ever waking up, the possibility is endless. Like you said it's pretty vague but Weird is famous for his story telling and I tell you this is not a mistake, it will make sense once we get a clearer view of the story.
 

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I get your point ngl dead ends = MC is dead but when Weird himself said Ella didn't kill MC in the dead end where you tell your link to memory, Weird imo just wanted to tease us into wondering what the hell Ella actually did, and to clarify Ella's intent wasn't to kill MC, either Ella made him a vessel for something or kept him from ever waking up, the possibility is endless. Like you said it's pretty vague but Weird is famous for his story telling and I tell you this is not a mistake, it will make sense once we get a clearer view of the story.
If he's not dead, he may as well be dead, considering the story ends there for both threads, implying no more choices for the MC.

If you have no choices, you are a slave or otherwise may as well be dead. Can't logic your way out of that.
 
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If he's not dead, he may as well be dead, considering the story ends there for both threads, implying no more choices for the MC.

If you have no choices, you are a slave or otherwise may as well be dead. Can't logic your way out of that.
You are weirdly militant about the mc having to be dead just because it's a dead end for the story. Maybe he should rename them "alternate paths/endings" instead and maybe you could concede that the mc could in fact be alive and well during one of them.
 

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If he's not dead, he may as well be dead, considering the story ends there for both threads, implying no more choices for the MC.

If you have no choices, you are a slave or otherwise may as well be dead. Can't logic your way out of that.
Weren't you originally arguing that the MC is dead in that dead end? It's kind of an important distinction if he's actually dead or just a slave. You're the one trying to logic your way out.
Sorry, but you're just wrong. Ella doesn't kill him in that dead end. Now stop trying to win this argument, it's pathetic.
 

Zeca Suez

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This is completely shifting the goalposts to another conversation altogether and has nothing to do with what I said. If you want to refute my argument, actually keep to the argument. This is, far as I'm concerned, some ridiculous strawman about ethics.

My argument was about whether Klaus did anything wrong against Alice. I've yet to see a counterargument to my point, if that was your intention here.
That was actually calling your argument what it was. You waved Klaus's outright shitty behavior to his "friends" as oh he's just being ambitious so its all completely normal.
That is why I said words have actual meanings you can't just mold their definition to fit your narrative.

If you can't even see what Klaus did wrong then there's just no point in continuing any argument since you very starting point is completely wrong.
 

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Weren't you originally arguing that the MC is dead in that dead end? It's kind of an important distinction if he's actually dead or just a slave. You're the one trying to logic your way out.
Sorry, but you're just wrong. Ella doesn't kill him in that dead end. Now stop trying to win this argument, it's pathetic.
I didn't concede he isn't dead. Stop moving the goalposts.
 

adanu

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That was actually calling your argument what it was. You waved Klaus's outright shitty behavior to his "friends" as oh he's just being ambitious so its all completely normal.
That is why I said words have actual meanings you can't just mold their definition to fit your narrative.

If you can't even see what Klaus did wrong then there's just no point in continuing any argument since you very starting point is completely wrong.
I call bullshit on this argument. You are calling on morality as an argument. I am calling on ambition as an argument. Moving the goalposts to fit your narrative is bad faith.
 

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I didn't concede he isn't dead. Stop moving the goalposts.
Oh the hypocrisy, so sweet and bordering on irony too!

You've been corrected that Ella doesn't kill the MC in that ending, but because it's labelled a "Dead End" you changed it to "well he may as well be dead", and refusing to concede to the MC not being dead, which is literally you moving the goalpost.


I call bullshit on this argument. You are calling on morality as an argument. I am calling on ambition as an argument. Moving the goalposts to fit your narrative is bad faith.
Accusing others of moving goalposts is your "ace in the hole"... You've overplayed it and don't even understand when to use it anymore.
 

Zeca Suez

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I call bullshit on this argument. You are calling on morality as an argument. I am calling on ambition as an argument. Moving the goalposts to fit your narrative is bad faith.
Consult a dictionary instead of beating a dead horse.

Ambition, treachery, Greed, Narcissism, Sociopath all have their own meanings.

It's like you don't even understand the character you are talking about.
 
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