DrakoGhoul

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As far as I understood it from Syla's explanation, third and fourth are unique in wanting even split, most (maybe the first is another exception since Jake wasn't pure either) other apostles want as much compatibility with themselves as possible. So Ella wouldn't look for 50 power/50 authority for Michael, but rather 100 power as perfect fit. Actually it would seem the others actively kill those half/half split, maybe because they don't want the return of the arbiters (like the eye thing of mc if it is one)
Syla also said it's rare for there to be someone completely compatible with just a single Apostle (paraphrasing). As in, beyond Valravn and possibly Aglaecwif, there's no Chosen or Spawn with 100%. This is backed up by WW as well. He stated that it's extremely rare thing and some of the Chosen aren't 100%. So Ella wasn't referring to that as she would basically be looking for the impossible that she should be well aware of.

Michael also wasn't part of Ella's grand plan like Jake and MC were. So she was likely only referring to compatibility with the 2nd. Which means he's not an exact fit to be turned by the 2nd aka he's not highly compatible and doesn't meet whatever threshold Apostles usually look for.

I would assume the threshold is around 60% or possibly higher. So in Michael's case. Him being in the 50s like the Leigong would make sense that he's not an exact fit to be turned by an Apostle. Because as WW recently said, if you have low compatibility with an Apostle, you'll be weaker than one turned with higher. So MC, for example, being turned by the 6th would be much weaker than Aos and Alice.
 
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I'm still sad that this was the only moment where MC fought as a girl.
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I'm hoping we get something like that eventually through the MC's Memory abilities. I think the MC is likely to get the power to make clones of people he's got strong enough memories of. It's the logical culmination of his training in making lasting constructs, his work improving his tail clones by infusing memories into him, his mom's ability to turn into her memories, and Xanthe's warning that copying the powers of those he scans would weaken his other abilities. Have a disconnected clone copy the form and powers of a memory, no risk to the main body.

If the MC does get to make clones of other people, a cool next step to that would be making clone bodies that aren't exact copies. Building his biological adaptations like his armor or monster organs into the clone bodies would make them a lot stronger. What I'd really like would be if he could give them mutations that fit their powers, like giving a Danica clone extra eyes to focus her X Marks through, or an Alice clone with mantis mechanisms for even stronger graviton punches.
 

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I'm hoping we get something like that eventually through the MC's Memory abilities. I think the MC is likely to get the power to make clones of people he's got strong enough memories of. It's the logical culmination of his training in making lasting constructs, his work improving his tail clones by infusing memories into him, his mom's ability to turn into her memories, and Xanthe's warning that copying the powers of those he scans would weaken his other abilities. Have a disconnected clone copy the form and powers of a memory, no risk to the main body.

If the MC does get to make clones of other people, a cool next step to that would be making clone bodies that aren't exact copies. Building his biological adaptations like his armor or monster organs into the clone bodies would make them a lot stronger. What I'd really like would be if he could give them mutations that fit their powers, like giving a Danica clone extra eyes to focus her X Marks through, or an Alice clone with mantis mechanisms for even stronger graviton punches.
I doubt this would work and if it did i'd imagine there'd be a limit at his current evolution like 1 or 2 at most (Would likely make his main body weaker but idk)
 

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Completely unrelated but Valravn is by far my favorite chosen i wish when we fight him theres a route we can take where brianna doesnt help (I think thats her name) and we beat him without her help and he respects us as a warrior i fw him heavy and his raven knight design also whoever posted the wiki page has my eternal thanks cleared up things I didnt know and shit also the lore is really good
 

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Completely unrelated but Valravn is by far my favorite chosen i wish when we fight him theres a route we can take where brianna doesnt help (I think thats her name) and we beat him without her help and he respects us as a warrior i fw him heavy and his raven knight design also whoever posted the wiki page has my eternal thanks cleared up things I didnt know and shit also the lore is really good
You actually can win with your honor intact, but you have to pass a very steep stat check. Look up Ploot's walkthrough.
 

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After finishing this game theres so much things I wanna see like prime Valravn vs Indra etc honestly this game has just really grown on me the combat the lore and the girls (EMILY AND ELLA!!! and alice) its all just an amazing game
 
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damn fr? ima have to look it up it always upset me cause i thought brianna helping was how the fight was meant to go always wanted to be honorable
Valravn's battle is on a points system. You need three points to win, four to get Valravn to respect you, and there are a maximum of five points available. You get one point for having Skill of 19 or above, one point for having a Power of 80 or above, one point for keeping away from his blade when he surrounds it in darkness, one point for going all out when he starts getting overwhelmed, and one point for deciding that you don't need to evolve and can beat him with your current strength. If you get at least four points, when you fall to the ground with him you're in better shape from taking fewer wounds throughout the fight, making you strong enough to take him down with one final Mantis Punch. That earns his respect, and makes him much friendlier with you in future scenes.
 

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gonna have to do this ty i think my stats before the Valravn were 18-19 skill and 70-80 power hopefully when i replay it im right
 

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I think this would mean that there isn't just 100% of affinity someone can have with a trait, if that makes sense. It isn't split between all of your affinities, but rather a separate scale for each.

Either that or Ella meant that MC was an exact fit for evolution rather than body specifically, as saying that someone with 50% affinity is an exact fit doesn't quite math.

If this is correct, MC would have an affinity of 100% for body and (presumably) 99% for memory.
Why are you guys talking about affinity, which only Ella can manageably evaluate.

Affinity involves genetics and and mentality of a person, as long as you have enough resistance to the monster genes, to not into a monster but not enough to completely suppress the monster gene, you'd into a superhuman, finding a compatible Monster Parent increases those odds or decreases it. After turning Superhuman, your power will be determined by your Monster Parent and outside influences.

No one has a 100 percent affinity to certain monsters, it's just thanks to Ella that MC has a very compatible Monster Parent, same for Michael, that's all thanks to Ella. Michael wouldn't get Power, if not thanks to Ella, as the conditions are pretty strict.

They just need to be have enough Compatibility, and affinity, no other influences and they'd have a pure Monster trait.

But to be like Mc, half and half right from the start, as a lvl 1, affinity plays a major role, Mc got it easy tho cause his Dad is compatible with Body Trait and her Mother, Memory tainted with something we still don't know, which results 50% Body and 49% Memory, normally there's a need for a ceremony to have 50-50 split trait, which Ella had when she was at lvl 3, which she also failed iirc. Mc's compatibility and the 3rd and 4th that prefers to be together, luckily got him automatic 50-49 trait, at least that's how I understand it. If you think about it, Mc is a miracle child.
 
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The dev is an absolute machine, his work pace is pretty much unmatched in the genre.
Ryukishi07 finished all 8 chapters of Umineko in 3 years and he also wrote all alone. I think the entire Superhuman until now is at least 2 chapters of Umineko worth of text. But yeah WeirdWorld is above average when is about work pace in a VN, especially since he draw a lot of nice art for the game too.
 
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Ryukishi07 finished all 8 chapters of Umineko in 3 years and he also wrote all alone. I think the entire Superhuman until now is at least 2 chapters of Umineko worth of text. But yeah WeirdWorld is above average when is about work pack in a VN, especially since he draw a lot of nice art for the game too.
Also, does Umineko have the same level of lore and character depth?
 

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Also, does Umineko have the same level of lore and character depth?
The level of lore and character depth of Umineko is higher than Superhuman, it's the strongest point of Umineko. Especially since is a finished story, when you look back you feel it was worth. It also have their shonen moments but in this aspect Superhuman is better.

But please, don't watch the anime. They butchered the story too much and only made half of the story because it was poorly received. And is indeed bad. The VN is the best experience, if you don't have time the manga is the better alternative.
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The level of lore and character depth of Umineko is higher than Superhuman, it's the strongest point of Umineko. Especially since is a finished story, when you look back you feel it was worth. It also have their shonen moments but in this aspect Superhuman is better.

But please, don't watch the anime. They butchered the story too much and only made half of the story because it was poorly received. And is indeed bad. The VN is the best experience, if you don't have time the manga is the better alternative.
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Alright, mine was a genuine question as I never actually even knew of it. I'm happy to hear of its existence, might try it out some time
 
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