My logic is that MC's mom died before the game starts so it doesn't count as haven taken place "over the course of the story." She's also technically not responsible for MC getting captured by Klaus, but only because MC managed to independently pick a fight with him for reasons outside of Ella's meddling. Unless she's the one who told Klaus that MC is weak to electricity which honestly doesn't seem completely out of the realm of possibility. She is, however, directly responsible for making the MC fight Jake, Daryll, and Cole, and for Daryll turning into a monster. She is indirectly responsible for him having to fight Kenny and Valravn, and everything related to S.I.N is her indirectly fault too since her talk Langdon makes it pretty clear that the organization never could have gotten off the ground without her.
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SquallofNight
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In some of the Dreams Paths, Yes. In the Outer World like Kenny and Bailey? Not yet.
Okay I can agree with everything else, but Cole fought us because he wanted to bang Ella and didn't like how she turned him down. I'm not sure I would consider that even indirectly responsible for our fight, its just Cole being his usual dipfuck self.
Nexum768
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Yeah hes just an asshole pretty sure its mentioned somewhere ella doesnt like his behavior or some shit
Nexum768
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ill save her and then be her toy theres levels to this
Windfaker
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Soo...anyone know If the dev finally made a decision about stop boring updates? lets be honest this game Is a great, but we all can agree last update was a joke, I mean AFTER the Cole fight this game basicly become a "walking simulator on some kinda of nowhere" where gose all the fun from beggining? Im not even speak direct about school times (we miss now like half characters we know from there) but the general vibe? back then the game balance perfect around serve us a good amount of fun, jokes and funny situations but also serve us a spicy fights, plot twist and so on...but now I feel like I dont know...I just feel like those updates are shorter than before? ends In the worst possible time?
I just want MC become for ONCE a true player In this world, no, not invincible one, but respected, strong and so on, yeah he may be now strong, maybe not, but I want the game itself make It clear around the world "This guy Is "someone" we dont want to fuck with" right?
What happen with demi? the fat goth girl? The cheerleaders? I have not seen them In ages, and they was not a "random" characters we fuck once and call it a day....
Im will not pretende I know how to write a story, but even tho, my brain telling me It was not right and If the dev dont take those characters Into acount before, when he start write the story its his mistake, not mine.
Yeah one could say we gonna get "SuperHuman2" so what? me and you will had wait months? years? for playable story? unless you want to play 1 hour each 3 months update and wait another 3 months....
Its not a hate because as I say I really like the game and the arts, I just feel like the dev wants to pack In to much things and In the end he realize he cannot use all this In one game In order to not make this game 1 year longer updates due to the things he intend to pack...
The good thing Is at least I feel mc goot his next evolution next update and maybe then, the game gain some refresh, from boring as fuck last updates (yeah mom fight was epic, but It was our mom not MC}
I just want MC become for ONCE a true player In this world, no, not invincible one, but respected, strong and so on, yeah he may be now strong, maybe not, but I want the game itself make It clear around the world "This guy Is "someone" we dont want to fuck with" right?
What happen with demi? the fat goth girl? The cheerleaders? I have not seen them In ages, and they was not a "random" characters we fuck once and call it a day....
Im will not pretende I know how to write a story, but even tho, my brain telling me It was not right and If the dev dont take those characters Into acount before, when he start write the story its his mistake, not mine.
Yeah one could say we gonna get "SuperHuman2" so what? me and you will had wait months? years? for playable story? unless you want to play 1 hour each 3 months update and wait another 3 months....
Its not a hate because as I say I really like the game and the arts, I just feel like the dev wants to pack In to much things and In the end he realize he cannot use all this In one game In order to not make this game 1 year longer updates due to the things he intend to pack...
The good thing Is at least I feel mc goot his next evolution next update and maybe then, the game gain some refresh, from boring as fuck last updates (yeah mom fight was epic, but It was our mom not MC}
You don't get to be a major player without power or connections. MC is still a small fry, and will continue to be a comparative small fry even after achieving his next evolution. He is growing his connections, but is still too dependent on HERO to break off and form his own thing. All things in due time.
Also hating on our kino slice of life walking simulator update is mega cringe. The lulls in between high octane combat scenarios are importance for pacing structure. Good stories know when to let the reader settle in, and not just jump from one catastrophe to the next.
I will give you that I miss the college girls. I definitely think they didn't deserve to be iced from the story. Maybe when the MC breaks off, we'll be able to bring them with us, then they'll be more relevant. Maybe that will be an important metric in how effective our break-off from HERO will be.
shujuku
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I found this to be the weaker part of the writing in superhuman. Ella can wreck havoc on all tiers and just brush it off with "womp womp get stronk or die noob". It would be cool if we got some hints at it in the beginning that there's stronger, more influential, dangerous beings other than Ella on a whole other scale. Atleast then we would have gotten some understanding of what she is doing.
Personally I think it got a lot to do with how WW approached the game in the beginning, considering its his first game its no surprise that its lacking in some departments in the beginning but picks up pace quite fast as you progress into the story.
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shujuku
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Hey no korean edgelord sasuke 2.0's military advisor here.
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Ella is the living enbodiment of "survival of the fittest".
She's the only characters that KNOWS something unprecedented and apocalyptic is about to happen (probably is already happening while we're in the monster world), and humanity HAS to shape up if they want a fighting chance.
If she didn't act you would still continue your clueless life and die miserably in a year or so, like the rest of the world.
All the deaths and suffering she has directly and indirectly caused are nothing compared to what would've happened otherwise. If she could press a button and kill 5 random people to save another 10, she would smash that button.
She even knew she would die if she proceeded with her plan, and still went for it.
I disagree on your claims of villainy. She's the main hero of the game.
SasugaRyzeSama
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Ella has her reasons, which are understandable, but do not put her on a pedestal like some kind of inevitable martyr. Monsters are dime a dozen(Hope it's spelled like that), and if the big guys wouldn't get the MC infected, some other quite probably would. She is in no way benevolent or working for better cause; she is quite likely the one being that pushes the coming of the apostoles aka the game over screen, she warped (using hexenringe) onto the world sizable percent of monsters that came to it in the last quite a few years. And she behaves, and just is, a self-centered cunt.
DrakoGhoul
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Klaus is Ella's fault too. She's the one that tipped him off about MC. That's along with the whole diner thing with Tiffany.
It is indirect. She baited Cole into being wary of MC after he joined HERO. Saying that if he doesn't get stronger soon, MC is going to surpass him. Even alluding to him potential dying. She then made sure to send Cole to the TV interview while MC was there after stirring the pot. You can blame Cole's ego and immaturity, but Ella undoubtedly added fuel to it intentionally.
This is not directed to you. But we got to stop this narrative of Ella's vague ass goal being some ultimate save humanity better than anything else option. We don't even know if that's even her goal in the first place or if she can even achieve it without MC help. With Apostles, Arbiters, Outer Twins and other gods out there that dwarf her in power and knowledge. Without heavy plot armor carrying her, it's not achievable. Especially not by herself with no help at all.
Hell, why should MC even care about her end goal in the first place? She doesn't tell him anything about it. Only a dumbass would follow someone else's plan without know anything. In fact, if MC didn't find her doll, her plan would've ended right there and all of this shit she caused would've amount to nothing. As MC had one of the vials needed to revive her. Without it, she couldn't come back in time without help.
Cole fights the MC because Ella told him exactly what she needed to in order for Cole to hate the MC badly enough to want to kill him on sight and I don't think that was at all accidental. She's fully aware of Cole's violent nature and his infatuation with her and it's not like she's too dumb to understand what would happen if she told Cole that MC is her Chosen.
First of all, I will point out again that I can use the exact same "greater good" shtick to make Monster Guy Who Literally Eats the Hearts of the Innocent sound heroic. Second, you're assuming Ella isn't the one CAUSING the unprecedented apocalyptic thing, which isn't absolute but there are definitely suggestions that she is. Third, even if we assume she has nothing to do with it, she's the only one that knows because she refuses to tell anyone else about it.
Ddlc
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This whole discussion is EXACTLY why I say that we constantly argue Ella being a villain or not here.
She is definitely responsible for a lot of shit that happened to Mc and the world, including the deaths of lots of innocent people, that I can't get behind.
Meddling with Mc's life to put him in dangerous or even deadly situations I can accept, after all this is also how I see their world, you either get strong by facing the most difficult and unfair challenges or you die.
As for "she wants the better for the world" I simply don't know, only that this is what she says, but to make a judgment on that I would first need to know what her plan is, how the world would be after she achieves her goals and what are the alternatives, and I really believe that it WON'T be something that I agree, so beating her ass and forcing her to work with Mc to achieve what I consider correct will be my choice for sure.
She is definitely responsible for a lot of shit that happened to Mc and the world, including the deaths of lots of innocent people, that I can't get behind.
Meddling with Mc's life to put him in dangerous or even deadly situations I can accept, after all this is also how I see their world, you either get strong by facing the most difficult and unfair challenges or you die.
As for "she wants the better for the world" I simply don't know, only that this is what she says, but to make a judgment on that I would first need to know what her plan is, how the world would be after she achieves her goals and what are the alternatives, and I really believe that it WON'T be something that I agree, so beating her ass and forcing her to work with Mc to achieve what I consider correct will be my choice for sure.
DrakoGhoul
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That's the trick though. We're not allowed to know her plan. Which is why it's weird that so many people are running off of it having to be good because she said so. Not even Deus implying that it needs to happen, proves it good. Because he could also be referring to his own goal being achieved afterwards.
I don't even care if Ella's evil or not. I just think it's dumb to cheer on a plan that we know almost nothing about like she's some ultimate, infallible savior. She's not even the strongest character in the game. Hell, she doesn't even make the Top 20 of known characters in power. Having blind faith in someone like that is crazy. At least with the 4th, she's an Apostle and beyond all monsters and superhumans, currently.
With how selfish and cagey Ella is about her plan, it better not be some Infinity War Thanos level fuckery. Where his plan was dumb when you look at the multiple alternatives. He rather destroy half of all life in the universe instead of just making more resources or even going as far as making the universe Infinite, if it wasn't already.
I don't even care if Ella's evil or not. I just think it's dumb to cheer on a plan that we know almost nothing about like she's some ultimate, infallible savior. She's not even the strongest character in the game. Hell, she doesn't even make the Top 20 of known characters in power. Having blind faith in someone like that is crazy. At least with the 4th, she's an Apostle and beyond all monsters and superhumans, currently.
With how selfish and cagey Ella is about her plan, it better not be some Infinity War Thanos level fuckery. Where his plan was dumb when you look at the multiple alternatives. He rather destroy half of all life in the universe instead of just making more resources or even going as far as making the universe Infinite, if it wasn't already.
shujuku
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Its really easy to see ella's position this way if you change out a couple of words.
First, Ella will be remade into Edward.
Edward loves to rape.
Edward goes and rapes innocent people
Edward makes other people attack the rape victims
Edward summons hordes of rapists to rape people
Edward dies the death of a dog
People on f95 claiming Edward was a real hero and died a true martyr.
just fucking lol
Funny thing about that. The diner ambush and Tiffany's subsequent blackmail are on her, but the rest of the mob war plotline is not. Ella did give Klaus information with the explicit intent to get the two of them to eventually fight, but MC shows up at the casino working for Alice before he gets around to acting on that info (he was very busy). Their subsequent conflict is a result of the ongoing mob war which MC joined on Alice's side and more specifically him winning/stealing the prize from the poker game that night. Ella, for all of her manipulations, had absolutely nothing to do with any of that, it was all MC acting on his own. She gave info to Klaus because she wanted the fight to happen, but things still would have played out basically the exact same way if she hadn't.
Pretty priviledge is an unstoppable force. If Jake was a nerdy fat girl who became a gigastacy when she evolved and the rest of her story played out exactly the same way, everyone would pick the option to spare him at the end. If Cole was a bisexual yandere goth girl there would be about 90% fewer posts bitching about how MC didn't kill him. (65% fewer posts if femCole was a lesbian instead)
InkAndSaliva
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Ella may not be innocent, but she is best girl. Looking forward to becoming a supervillain power couple.