KyngC

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Its really easy to see ella's position this way if you change out a couple of words.

First, Ella will be remade into Edward.
Edward loves to rape.
Edward goes and rapes innocent people
Edward makes other people attack the rape victims
Edward summons hordes of rapists to rape people
Edward dies the death of a dog


People on f95 claiming Edward was a real hero and died a true martyr.

just fucking lol
This feels like a reference I'm not getting
 

KingAgamemnon

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? MC doesn't see the vision until after he touches the vial. Not during the Memory sequence of Ella. It's not a stretch at all. MC already exited the memory of the massacre by that point. From what I remember, he even mentions something about feeling the effects of the liquid through the crack of the vial.
I meant its like this: MC sees the memory of Ella failing the ceremony; MC leaves the memory; 4th chimes in like "yeah she failed, but she's still good breeding stock, so she still has a use to me".
 

DannyLucifer

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I just saw the scene between Mia and Jake and Jesus Fucking Christ! Someone told me a few days ago that Ella being evil or not was a "big" debate here, and I have only one question... how? This c*nt is beyond deplorable, killing people yeah but the amount of manipulation this bitch does is beyond evil playing with a life is far more evil than ending one. Y'all on Ella train should get a psyche eval... jesus
 

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I just saw the scene between Mia and Jake and Jesus Fucking Christ! Someone told me a few days ago that Ella being evil or not was a "big" debate here, and I have only one question... how? This c*nt is beyond deplorable, killing people yeah but the amount of manipulation this bitch does is beyond evil playing with a life is far more evil than ending one. Y'all on Ella train should get a psyche eval... jesus
Which scene? The one on the beach? Because I don't recall any scene between Mia and Jake that is Ella's fault.
Unless you mean everything Jake does is Ella's fault because she made him a superhuman?
 

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Which scene? The one on the beach? Because I don't recall any scene between Mia and Jake that is Ella's fault.
Unless you mean everything Jake does is Ella's fault because she made him a superhuman?
Jesus you can't be that naive right?
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I know my fellow basement dwellers are socially inapt but surely by not this much where you can't say you're a fiddle.
 

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Jesus you can't be that naive right?
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I know my fellow basement dwellers are socially inapt but surely by not this much where you can't say you're a fiddle.
Yeah I dont get why people simp so hard for Ella, I literally hate her because she simply uses us as a tool and doesnt give a shit about what happens to us or our close ones.
 

DannyLucifer

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Also, the MC is ASTRONOMICALLY dumb! My guy goes to the c*nts house, sees the paper with all the names, some of which he recognizes, like Micheal, gets confirmation that yes she has been looking for people to infect, letter finds out from the man that yes ella did give him a pill, saw ella on campus meaning she has access to it, then the massacre happens and MC still cant connect the dots that shes responsible...
 

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Yeah I dont get why people simp so hard for Ella, I literally hate her because she simply uses us as a tool and doesnt give a shit about what happens to us or our close ones.
Yeah, and why are there are forced scenes with her? No I don't want to get a boobjob from a homicidal maniac. Your choices don't matter in the slightest. And FYI I haven't picked a single option to side with her, I even picked up the WT to see what I was doing to get scenes with her and MC completely forgets all the negative opinions, then I realized nah it wasn't my ESL reading comprehension just shit writing. And the thing is I wouldn't even be that mad if I wasn't given the choice to begin with.
 
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Jesus you can't be that naive right?
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I know my fellow basement dwellers are socially inapt but surely by not this much where you can't say you're a fiddle.
Not saying manipulating people is good, but I'm pretty cautious about labelling people evil, and we still don't know what Ella's endgame is. So long as it's a good outcome (edit: i.e. goal), I don't think you can unequivocally call her evil. I generally reserve that for people who have negative goals, like genocide, or neutral goals that they reach through negative means, like serial killing (the goal is pleasure).

There's no reason to think Jake would have fucked up Daryl's brain the way he did Mia. That only happened because of the stress of Mia finding out his secret and deciding to tell the MC.

She didn't use Mia as a hostage, she used her as a bargaining chip. Ella will fix Jake's mistake if Jake does what she wants. She isn't threatening to harm Mia, just to not help her, and she's under no obligation to help Mia.

Also, the MC is ASTRONOMICALLY dumb! My guy goes to the c*nts house, sees the paper with all the names, some of which he recognizes, like Micheal, gets confirmation that yes she has been looking for people to infect, letter finds out from the man that yes ella did give him a pill, saw ella on campus meaning she has access to it, then the massacre happens and MC still cant connect the dots that shes responsible...
The MC isn't dumb, he just doesn't think, which ultimately stems from his apathy. It's not that he can't put the pieces together, he just doesn't feel like it.
 
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shujuku

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Not saying manipulating people is good, but I'm pretty cautious about labelling people evil, and we still don't know what Ella's endgame is. So long as it's a good outcome, I don't think you can unequivocally call her evil. I generally reserve that for people who have negative goals, like genocide, or neutral goals that they reach through negative means, like serial killing (the goal is pleasure).

There's no reason to think Jake would have fucked up Daryl's brain the way he did Mia. That only happened because of the stress of Mia finding out his secret and deciding to tell the MC.

She didn't use Mia as a hostage, she used her as a bargaining chip. Ella will fix Jake's mistake if Jake does what she wants. She isn't threatening to harm Mia, just to not help her, and she's under no obligation to help Mia.


The MC isn't dumb, he just doesn't think, which ultimately stems from his apathy. It's not that he can't put the pieces together, he just doesn't feel like it.
If you got raped by Tyrone BitchBreaker, would that make him an anti-hero because he prepares you for prison life? Lol he is simply evil don't go beating around the bush.
 

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Not saying manipulating people is good, but I'm pretty cautious about labelling people evil, and we still don't know what Ella's endgame is. So long as it's a good outcome, I don't think you can unequivocally call her evil.
I just can't be bothered... Causing a massacre is a very good outcome. Thanks bro my eyes have been opened
 
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If you got raped by Tyrone BitchBreaker, would that make him an anti-hero because he prepares you for prison life? Lol he is simply evil don't go beating around the bush.
Do you feel big poking holes in my wording while ignoring my point, or are you just so stupid you can't understand the very common sentiment I'm expressing?
 
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It does seem like MC was significantly more compatible with Memory. Ella couldn't become perfect even at level 5, and required a trial at level 3 to become perfect.
The MC, as Ella points out in a dead end, was perfect from the start. He'd already manifested the full trait at level 1.

I think you're overestimating how much compatibility she had with Memory, and thus underestimating how much compatibility she had with Body. We don't actually know how much you need to manifest both traits. Isn't it possible Ella had 10% Memory and 90% Body? That's a significant gap between her and the MC.
That would make Ella purer than the vast majority of the cast, including the Chosen, which goes against her own beliefs and she is the resident expert in compatibility thanks to those eyes. I don't think I'm underestimating her Body compatibility. I think that people haven't internalised this. I'm leaning towards a 70-30 split at best.
 
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