VN Ren'Py Superhuman [v0.999] [WeirdWorld]

[DrakoGhoul]

WW has been non-stop dropping hints about this guy using time based abilities, like HERO using him to predict shit given Zack's state, remember this guy is recovering from the ass kicking Indra gave him and his team, so that role has been falling onto Deus' lap. If that isn't a big enough hint for you about this guy being a spawn of the 5th then idk what to tell you.

Hell even that dream sequence scene was another bit of confirmation from WW that the guy is a spawn of the 5th. That being said, him being a time traveler? Wouldn't be suprised, he gives DBZ Trunks vibes and what's more fitting than a spawn of the 5th being able to travel through the timelines.

As to the Origin MC being aware of timelines is a mystery that only WW knows about but meh, I hope we don't enter a rabbit hole of timelines cuz that tends to get messy as fuck.

Indra wasn't the one that injured Zack and his team. That was the 7th avatar. Zack tried to guide Indra to fight Malik but failed. As Indra sensed what he was doing and left.

It's a bit of a weird conundrum. If I recall correctly, we have Word of God from WW that Deus has no connection to the Fifth Apostle at all. But from what we see in game, almost everything points to him having time powers. Unless WW is lying to us (definite possibility), I'm not sure what alternative explanation there is.

You most likely recalled wrong on the WoG. I'm pretty sure he has never said Deus has no connection to the 5th. Simply because he almost never give straightforward answers with spoiler type questions.

But like you said, and what the game itself showed. It's almost impossible for Deus to not have Time powers of some kind. He has:

Told Alexis and Clark exactly where to meet Ella.

Told Dexter that Tiffany is dangerous to him.

Knew MC was coming to HERO and called the elevator for him. That's along with telling him to be careful of Ella as his future with her is murky.

Xanthe saying he's more accurate than Zack and intentionally being less accurate when it involves MC.

Told HERO that their victory is assured before the Battle of Diamonds (if I remember right).

There's also the finding of Apostle shells, the fact that he located Valravn and that only he is able to corner Hex if it tried to flee. The game saying that Time is dangerous to Space users, according to Nyx when talking to Nico. Hex is an S Rank mutant with some level of control over time, but majority space.

Like, it's almost impossible to say he doesn't have Time. It also the immaterial one of the twin traits, which would explain how he can manipulate some of the immaterial world.

 

[Zolrazz]

Image improvements i hope. I don't mind looking the old characters sprites at the beginning of the game, but they look like an eyesore when shown alongside recent characters.

Apparently it's not just going to be changes to the characters, in one of his streams Weird said that we'd have new corruption options, scenes and some extra details, a lot of content then? I can't say, I think it's difficult, but he's been working on it for some time now

 

[KingAgamemnon]

Indra wasn't the one that injured Zack and his team. That was the 7th avatar. Zack tried to guide Indra to fight Malik but failed. As Indra sensed what he was doing and left.


You most likely recalled wrong on the WoG. I'm pretty sure he has never said Deus has no connection to the 5th. Simply because he almost never give straightforward answers with spoiler type questions.

But like you said, and what the game itself showed. It's almost impossible for Deus to not have Time powers of some kind. He has:

Told Alexis and Clark exactly where to meet Ella.

Told Dexter that Tiffany is dangerous to him.

Knew MC was coming to HERO and called the elevator for him. That's along with telling him to be careful of Ella as his future with her is murky.

Xanthe saying he's more accurate than Zack and intentionally being less accurate when it involves MC.

Told HERO that their victory is assured before the Battle of Diamonds (if I remember right).

There's also the finding of Apostle shells, the fact that he located Valravn and that only he is able to corner Hex if it tried to flee. The game saying that Time is dangerous to Space users, according to Nyx when talking to Nico. Hex is an S Rank mutant with some level of control over time, but majority space.

Like, it's almost impossible to say he doesn't have Time. It also the immaterial one of the twin traits, which would explain how he can manipulate some of the immaterial world.

Hmmm, I'm looking back through the logs trying to find where the whole "Deus has no Time in him" comes from. I can't find it, but the closest I got was a discussion I had with Gtdead about Deus's make-up, where we discussed stuff like Memory, Ether, and Truth, as opposed to Time. So I don't think it's entirely unsubstantiated, even if I can't find the exact origin of the confirmation.

 

[Milkshake5]

Like, it's almost impossible to say he doesn't have Time. It also the immaterial one of the twin traits, which would explain how he can manipulate some of the immaterial world.

There's other entities that know the future without having any time trait or being connected to the 5th apostle. The shopkeeper always knew when and where the mc will show up. He even give mc's items that help him later on in specific situations. The shopkeeper is not from any monster bloodline.
Ella seems to know a lot of future events.
The memory powers can see memories from the past, present, and likely the future as well. The eye was talking to future/present mc via memory powers.

We are not sure what is deus's circumstances are but it does not have to be tied to 5th apostle. Its possible he is time traveler using future tech to help him. if he from the future and can time travel, he can predict the events. Its possible that he has an ability that is similar to time but is not. Like he can see the fate of others. Its not impossible or near impossible for him to be something else other than the spawn of the 5th.

 

[DrakoGhoul]

There's other entities that know the future without having any time trait or being connected to the 5th apostle. The shopkeeper always knew when and where the mc will show up. He even give mc's items that help him later on in specific situations. The shopkeeper is not from any monster bloodline.
Ella seems to know a lot of future events.
The memory powers can see memories from the past, present, and likely the future as well. The eye was talking to future/present mc via memory powers.

We are not sure what is deus's circumstances are but it does not have to be tied to 5th apostle. Its possible he is time traveler using future tech to help him. if he from the future and can time travel, he can predict the events. Its possible that he has an ability that is similar to time but is not. Like he can see the fate of others. Its not impossible or near impossible for him to be something else other than the spawn of the 5th.

Ok? But your Shopkeep example doesn't work because we don't know what his powers are or the full extent of them. For all we know, he could be one of the parasites from beyond the Outer Sphere. That's just trading speculation for more speculation honestly. I never even said you had to be connected to the 5th to see the future in the first place. However, Deus has a lot of things that suggest he's of Time. Even if he's not a full on spawn.

Your Origin example isn't worth bringing up. If he's above the Apostles, he'll naturally be above Time and Space. So that's a pointless example. As for Ella. She doesn't know a lot of future events. She's making guesses like everyone else and gets her information from some unknown partner that supposedly was to wake her doll up.

So all in all, Deus having potential to be under other powers doesn't negate the more straightforward option of him having Time. Just because other options exist, doesn't mean he by default has those things. And yes, I know that works both ways with Time. So, is that all?

 

[Milkshake5]

Ok? But your Shopkeep example doesn't work because we don't know what his powers are or the full extent of them. For all we know, he could be one of the parasites from beyond the Outer Sphere. That's just trading speculation for more speculation honestly. I never even said you had to be connected to the 5th to see the future in the first place. However, Deus has a lot of things that suggest he's of Time. Even if he's not a full on spawn.

Your Origin example isn't worth bringing up. If he's above the Apostles, he'll naturally be above Time and Space. So that's a pointless example. As for Ella. She doesn't know a lot of future events. She's making guesses like everyone else and gets her information from some unknown partner that supposedly was to wake her doll up.

So all in all, Deus having potential to be under other powers doesn't negate the more straightforward option of him having Time. Just because other options exist, doesn't mean he by default has those things. And yes, I know that works both ways with Time. So, is that all?

The point is that deus never have shown to have connections to 5th apostle. There is evidence that he is not even a spawn that cannot be recognize by the eye (who is connected to every branch and sense those with their bloodline). That pretty much negate that he is a spawn of time. Everything he done can explained in multiple different ways without simply saying he has time. Even deus from the dream sequence stated that mc memory mistaken him for having time. There is reason to think deus to have time without proof of him stopping time or reversing time like other spawns of the 5th .

 

[DrakoGhoul]

The point is that deus never have shown to have connections to 5th apostle. There is evidence that he is not even a spawn that cannot be recognize by the eye (who is connected to every branch and sense those with their bloodline). That pretty much negate that he is a spawn of time. Everything he done can explained in multiple different ways without simply saying he has time. Even deus from the dream sequence stated that mc memory mistaken him for having time. There is reason to think deus to have time without proof of him stopping time or reversing time like other spawns of the 5th .

I didn't say he only had Time though or that he was the spawn of the 5th. I said he had time powers of some kind. Regardless of if he's a spawn or not. It's pretty obvious that he has more powers than time by the fact that he uses other powers like his light rays.

But to get to your supposed point. If he can't be of Time because of the Origin statement and not showing a connection, then he clearly can't be of other lineage using that same line of thinking as well, you do know that right? That means he's not of Truth, Memory or any other traits. Whether they're from mutations or not. Because the Origin didn't recognize any line. So sure, go with the thought that he's not of Time. That also means he's not of any other line that you can speculate of without further information.

 

[SasugaRyzeSama]

Little question for people's predictions, as I see there are many points of back and forth on the matter on H.E.R.O.'s each of big three versus Indra. Granted, we have fairly little info, but that's why I'm asking about ideas: will Qliphoth be teleported to the Earth, and how would that place on the threat chart? Hexenringes in contrary to Nico can teleport big creatures, far bigger than their ring's radius, Goliath be an example of that, so it's not impossible.

 

[Milkshake5]

But to get to your supposed point. If he can't be of Time because of the Origin statement and not showing a connection, then he clearly can't be of other lineage using that same line of thinking as well, you do know that right? That means he's not of Truth, Memory or any other traits. Whether they're from mutations or not. Because the Origin didn't recognize any line. So sure, go with the thought that he's not of Time. That also means he's not of any other line that you can speculate of without further information.

Where did I say that I think he is spawn of any other apostles or any of the monster bloodlines? The only things I speculated about him was that he was time traveler that gain his powers through different means like future tech or his power is closely align with time but not exactly time.

 

[KingAgamemnon]

Little question for people's predictions, as I see there are many points of back and forth on the matter on H.E.R.O.'s each of big three versus Indra. Granted, we have fairly little info, but that's why I'm asking about ideas: will Qliphoth be teleported to the Earth, and how would that place on the threat chart? Hexenringes in contrary to Nico can teleport big creatures, far bigger than their ring's radius, Goliath be an example of that, so it's not impossible.

From what we've seen, it's on par with the Great Ocean and the like, so very very bad to say the least. Beyond anything humans can do to resist really.

 

[Landro2340]

Indra wasn't the one that injured Zack and his team. That was the 7th avatar. Zack tried to guide Indra to fight Malik but failed. As Indra sensed what he was doing and left.

Really? I thought it was him, I def need to get back into the game once I get some free time, I do seem to remember him talking about Indra at some point during the HERO captains meetings and such and the lastest update gave me a vibe from Zack looking revenge on Indra for that. Thanks for the clarification though.

Little question for people's predictions, as I see there are many points of back and forth on the matter on H.E.R.O.'s each of big three versus Indra. Granted, we have fairly little info, but that's why I'm asking about ideas: will Qliphoth be teleported to the Earth, and how would that place on the threat chart? Hexenringes in contrary to Nico can teleport big creatures, far bigger than their ring's radius, Goliath be an example of that, so it's not impossible.

I always thought the Qliphoth is related to Eisheth given that when fighting Bernhardt she mentions being the princess of the Qliphoth and during the black moon arc she says something about "too bad father can't join but I sure will have my fun" or something along those lines, she could be referencing the Qliphoth or the Truth apostle, I believe she means the former tbh, I think the Qliphoth is probably what destroyed the alt humans world after a similar ritual like the one Ella is trying to do made him what he is.

It is worth noting the Qliphoth is a mixed breed of Truth and Body, like our MC has Memory and Body, so you get where I'm going with this right? Could be a possible bad ending for the story. So yeah, doubt he will show up on Earth but if he does then RIP everybody I guess.

 

[King_In_Yellow]

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[DrakoGhoul]

Little question for people's predictions, as I see there are many points of back and forth on the matter on H.E.R.O.'s each of big three versus Indra. Granted, we have fairly little info, but that's why I'm asking about ideas: will Qliphoth be teleported to the Earth, and how would that place on the threat chart? Hexenringes in contrary to Nico can teleport big creatures, far bigger than their ring's radius, Goliath be an example of that, so it's not impossible.

Somewhere between S Class and Apostles. It's in a similar situation as the Great Ocean. Where we don't really know where it scales. Ella's scared of thing, but she doesn't fear Eisheth. Who happens to be the princess of the Qliphoth. So I assume it could be above the S+ Chosen or at minimum on the same level. But Ella is currently weak and could only fear it because she's sub Level 5.

Where did I say that I think he is spawn of any other apostles or any of the monster bloodlines? The only things I speculated about him was that he was time traveler that gain his powers through different means like future tech or his power is closely align with time but not exactly time.

Meh.

Really? I thought it was him, I def need to get back into the game once I get some free time, I do seem to remember him talking about Indra at some point during the HERO captains meetings and such and the lastest update gave me a vibe from Zack looking revenge on Indra for that. Thanks for the clarification though.



I always thought the Qliphoth is related to Eisheth given that when fighting Bernhardt she mentions being the princess of the Qliphoth and during the black moon arc she says something about "too bad father can't join but I sure will have my fun" or something along those lines, she could be referencing the Qliphoth or the Truth apostle, I believe she means the former tbh, I think the Qliphoth is probably what destroyed the alt humans world after a similar ritual like the one Ella is trying to do made him what he is.

It is worth noting the Qliphoth is a mixed breed of Truth and Body, like our MC has Memory and Body, so you get where I'm going with this right? Could be a possible bad ending for the story. So yeah, doubt he will show up on Earth but if he does then RIP everybody I guess.

Yeah, Zack makes a distinction between the two during the meeting with the Captains. I don't remember the context, but when they asked if that was the one that took his whole team out, he said no. That was something else.

As for the Qliphoth. While Eisheth is the Princess of it. I think she was referring to the 9th not being able to descend in that specific scene. Since, I don't think Eisheth got around to doing the ritual and Ella didn't really seem keen on allowing others to do it for the apostles to come down. At least when it came to the 7th.

But yeah, I think the Qliphoth is above S Class monsters, but potentially still below Apostles. In terms of if HERO can stop it. Henri would be the immediate pick to send at it. Seeing as he could attack on multiple planes. However, seeing as the Seahumans had their own Henri and that didn't work. I'm going to assume you'll need something a bit more.

 

[Landro2340]

As for the Qliphoth. While Eisheth is the Princess of it. I think she was referring to the 9th not being able to descend in that specific scene. Since, I don't think Eisheth got around to doing the ritual and Ella didn't really seem keen on allowing others to do it for the apostles to come down. At least when it came to the 7th.

Yeah, that's most likely to be the case in that specific scene, I was mostly using the same logic applied with Bailey and Kenny, while both come from the Minyak who they call mother, Bailey calls Kenny father because he created her and I believe Ella mentioned that the Qliphoth creates monsters, but then that would mean Eisheth has Body traits herself right? So yeah, not likely who Eisheth was talking about.

Real talk, I hope this monster world arc ends already, it's been dragging too long, I want answers to many things within the game and this arc hasn't delivered much outside some character development for the Twins and Michael (Yeah Sky Humans and Sea Humans are w.e. for me lol).

 

[KingAgamemnon]

Yeah, that's most likely to be the case in that specific scene, I was mostly using the same logic applied with Bailey and Kenny, while both come from the Minyak who they call mother, Bailey calls Kenny father because he created her and I believe Ella mentioned that the Qliphoth creates monsters, but then that would mean Eisheth has Body traits herself right? So yeah, not likely who Eisheth was talking about.

Real talk, I hope this monster world arc ends already, it's been dragging too long, I want answers to many things within the game and this arc hasn't delivered much outside some character development for the Twins and Michael (Yeah Sky Humans and Sea Humans are w.e. for me lol).

Next update will conclude the monster world arc, I'm fairly certain.

 

[AnonymousMouse]

Yeah, that's most likely to be the case in that specific scene, I was mostly using the same logic applied with Bailey and Kenny, while both come from the Minyak who they call mother, Bailey calls Kenny father because he created her and I believe Ella mentioned that the Qliphoth creates monsters, but then that would mean Eisheth has Body traits herself right? So yeah, not likely who Eisheth was talking about.

Real talk, I hope this monster world arc ends already, it's been dragging too long, I want answers to many things within the game and this arc hasn't delivered much outside some character development for the Twins and Michael (Yeah Sky Humans and Sea Humans are w.e. for me lol).

I took a break after the update that ends with Liz and Amber "dead" (the one just before Cole fight) and came back after the most recent update so I got to play the whole monster world stuff in one big chunk and even so I'm ready for it to end already now lol. Don't get me wrong there was still some brilliant stuff as always, I'm real a sucker for eye stuff so loved that little bit, and the Syla/Indra fight was brilliant too and we obviously got a hell of a lot more lore with the sea humans and everything else but it just didn't grab me in the same way the rest of the game has for whatever reason. I think it was probably a good call to take the core cast away for a bit so they could all bond more and ofc level up, and taking them off planet let shit hit the fan there whilst we're away (the few teases we've got so far of earth were great too tbf Malik vs Glae and Zack vs Indra etc.) but I think pacing wise it's time to get back home now and get some kind of answer to just how much of a mess it all is lol. And I'm sure we will get there next update (probably relatively early in it too) WW's best quality is that relentlessly consistent release schedule, lets it never feels like too long of a wait for the next answer... and the subsequent new question that need's answering next time lol

 

[Landro2340]

I took a break after the update that ends with Liz and Amber "dead" (the one just before Cole fight) and came back after the most recent update so I got to play the whole monster world stuff in one big chunk and even so I'm ready for it to end already now lol. Don't get me wrong there was still some brilliant stuff as always, I'm real a sucker for eye stuff so loved that little bit, and the Syla/Indra fight was brilliant too and we obviously got a hell of a lot more lore with the sea humans and everything else but it just didn't grab me in the same way the rest of the game has for whatever reason. I think it was probably a good call to take the core cast away for a bit so they could all bond more and ofc level up, and taking them off planet let shit hit the fan there whilst we're away (the few teases we've got so far of earth were great too tbf Malik vs Glae and Zack vs Indra etc.) but I think pacing wise it's time to get back home now and get some kind of answer to just how much of a mess it all is lol. And I'm sure we will get there next update (probably relatively early in it too) WW's best quality is that relentlessly consistent release schedule, lets it never feels like too long of a wait for the next answer... and the subsequent new question that need's answering next time lol

I agree with almost everything you have said, except the Syla vs Indra fight, that was the only fight in this game that lost my interest, Idk I find Syla entire thing cliche, typical OP anime mom and some sort of revenge arc for the MC vs Indra (And the power of friendship thing lul).

When this arc began I was expecting it to be more angsty, I expected to see some real struggle, a lot of crazy monsters and fights here and there and everybody in the group overcoming that and evolving as a result. But Deryl and Ella have made it far too tame, far too easy, Deryl pulling a BBQ then a silly spin the bottle game was what pulled me out of this arc already and wanting it to be done.

The story was coming off a incredible high after that Cole fight only for it to die down and the most exciting shit is happening off camera and with our MC and his friends away from it all. The latest update showed a nice fight involving the gang but meh. Our MC hasn't really developed new things, after that showcase from Syla wanted to see him mixing memory with body stuff with Ella's guidance, he used to be very creative during college coming up with new tools but so far nothing interesting has popped from that.

The MC's reaction to Syla's dead and Ella knowing him from childhood was also a bit lackluster but welp. I can go on a big ass rant about things I don't like about this arc but then, it's WW story and I have faith next update we will get back into it.

 

[RNG]

How many arcs are there left?

 

[Dinoflaggelate]

Little question for people's predictions, as I see there are many points of back and forth on the matter on H.E.R.O.'s each of big three versus Indra. Granted, we have fairly little info, but that's why I'm asking about ideas: will Qliphoth be teleported to the Earth, and how would that place on the threat chart? Hexenringes in contrary to Nico can teleport big creatures, far bigger than their ring's radius, Goliath be an example of that, so it's not impossible.

I absolutely believe the Qlippoth is going to be transported to Earth. Way back when the MC evolved to level 2, he saw a vision of something tentacular erupting from the moon and reaching down to Earth. The symbol for the Qlippoth that keeps reoccuring in seahuman art is that of a great tree stretching from the Earth to a large orb in the sky, presumably the moon. And in the Hebrew mysticism that the term "Qlippoth" originates from, the Qlippoth is a metaphysical structure, often equated to a tree, which was born from the darkness of the moon. I would be very surprised if the thing that the MC saw in his vision of the Apostles' plans wasn't the Qlippoth.

I don't think it will be too direct a threat, though. The evidence points to the Qlippoth being not a combatant, but a terraforming engine. The memories in the trees of the membrane forest described them being made to counter the terraforming of that world caused by "the enemy's tree". And the resurrecting monster the MC fights at the end of the latest update is thinking about (to paraphrase) "the great tree withers, it is time to leave this husk and terraform a new world". I think the Qlippoth's arrival on Earth is going to be a problem not because it's a big giant monster, but because it will poison the atmosphere and render Earth uninhabitable for non-superhumans.

As for how it's going to get to Earth? Probably innate abilities. Ella did say that its tendrils extend through the inner spheres and reach many worlds. Probably it can burrow through the fabric of reality or something like that.

 

[Arcane Imagination]

Really looking forward to the next update