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jjtom000

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Honestly, i think that what we saw was at most the very beginning of Michael's evolution. In terms of being anticlimatic, maybe it's more a personal opinion. To me it would be great if he fell from the sky like a meteor to help when Alice is about to be killed.
But you know, agree to disagree.
No need to speculate anything when it's literally stated in the game. There's no "Michael might evo next update" because he already did.
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Also it's not a matter of preference, having Michael coming back down next update like nothing happened is objectively bad writing that will take away all the emotional value that WW tried so hard to build up at the end of this update. Not even One Piece is shameless enough to have fakeout death as cheap as this.



It really seems like a message to the audience. But at the same time Michael is not talking to the player, he is talking to Power.
In that sense him saying "We'll meet again. And next time, you won't even recognize the warrior I've become" is a message to Power, the second apostle.
In that dialogue Michael is telling Power that, despite not evolving the way he wanted (either because of the circunstances or because he failed some requirement), he is still determined to become the strongest warrior.
So there is a reason in game for his words that can be interpreted in a different way.
That's exactly what the guy was saying? ?

That "We'll meet again. And next time, you won't even recognize the warrior I've become" felt like a goodbye to the audience, not just the 2nd Apostle.
 
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DrakoGhoul

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Is there any time difference in the monster planet and the human planet?
Time flows the same way. Time passed on earth is the same in the monster world. I don't know how that make sense, with how vastly different their universe is but I guess since Aglaecwif said you can actually reach the monster world via travel. It hints that they occupy the same space, but separated by a vast distance or a dimensional barrier of some kind. Only the 6th and 8th are noted as being able to pull off such a journey.
 

MattiaBinotto

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Michael wasn't performing rites to keep himself in control within the evolution trance, he was performing rites so he could be in an evolution trance permanently. I don't think losing control would be an issue for Michael at Level 3, and I suspect his Level 2 evolution only went as wild as it did because he evolved in close proximity to Tiffany. Greater spawns have an especially high connection to their Apostle when they evolve, and Nyx mentioned something the MC couldn't detect was present. It's likely that the fight that occurred was less Michael and Tiffany going wild in a fit of primal instinct and more Power and Light commanding them to throw hands with each other for whatever reasons they had. Even then, unlike its twin Authority, the Power actually favours the MC for some reason and wants him to grow alongside Michael. Whether Power has some grudge with anyone associated with Ether or Creation is unknown though.
I was actually wrong, sort of, but after reading again what he said it's actually both. Succeeding the trial makes him able to absorb the trance power while being in control, but normally his mental state during those evolutions trances is worse than normal so I don't think it was just Tiffany being near that got him crazy.

Michael "I'm not exactly sure. But I... and those like me, experience our trance a little differently. The raw power we gain is usually higher."
Michael "And our mental state... is usually less stable. You'll recall I attacked Tiffany almost immediately."
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You "I remember."
Michael "From what I understand, I can fully absorb this state, like I would any other energy. Regain control and keep the power... at least that was my interpretation."
Michael "But what I saw... the visions... only told me what I must do, not why or how to do them."
 

BenoTF25

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Bitch Breaker new sprite or we riot
Man, thinking back there are a ton of super secondary characters, some only serving the purpose of being messed up by the MC, if W.W actually rework all of them, I would actually respect him quite a lot.

Eager to see HQ Suicide Wang
 
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One_Black_Sun

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Man, thinking back there are a ton of super secondary characters, some only serving the purpose of being messed up by the MC, if W.W actually rework all of them, I would actually respect him quite a lot.

Eager to see HQ Suicide Wang
It'd be funny if Wang was the only person who didn't get an updated sprite, making him stick out even more than he did before.
 

RudeFist

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I wonder, where will the mc's body powers go from here? Just increase in sheer mass? He's learning more malleability from Ella but there seems to be a limitation in how much more oomph he can get aside from raw power. I guess the arbiter bad ends kinda show off some possible feats, like compressing a mountain's worth of matter into a blade
 

INquiop

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I wonder, where will the mc's body powers go from here? Just increase in sheer mass? He's learning more malleability from Ella but there seems to be a limitation in how much more oomph he can get aside from raw power. I guess the arbiter bad ends kinda show off some possible feats, like compressing a mountain's worth of matter into a blade
I see that trainof thought and feel like we may get something that we can use in rapid succession since we need time and engergy to create use and think what we need maybe one of our powers will be a transformation or unlocked ability that will allow us to use a powerful move set or projectile that we can make quick and packs a punch so that we don't need to always think on how to keep on the offensive with new and tiring shifting
 

Youtiy

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I wonder, where will the mc's body powers go from here? Just increase in sheer mass? He's learning more malleability from Ella but there seems to be a limitation in how much more oomph he can get aside from raw power. I guess the arbiter bad ends kinda show off some possible feats, like compressing a mountain's worth of matter into a blade
Not sure if you remember but at one point someone in game mentioned (Might've been Ella) that once you reach level 4 your powers can stop following some of their previous limit's/rules, for Body that could mean it may no longer be limited by things the body can create.
 

RudeFist

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Not sure if you remember but at one point someone in game mentioned (Might've been Ella) that once you reach level 4 your powers can stop following some of their previous limit's/rules, for Body that could mean it may no longer be limited by things the body can create.
I remember that but I'm unclear as to how that will manifest. We don't see Ella really put that into action herself, at least in a demonstrative way, aside from the 'immutable' property she expends energy to maintain when Malik tries to roast her. Most of her combat is similar to MC's except she focuses more on rapid transformations than a single powerful form.
 

-Maniackanime-

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Not sure if you remember but at one point someone in game mentioned (Might've been Ella) that once you reach level 4 your powers can stop following some of their previous limit's/rules, for Body that could mean it may no longer be limited by things the body can create.
If in lvl 3 he awakened memory echo, my guess in lvl 4 he would gain something similar but this time it can affect the body of his opponents, aside from that more op auto attack and defend stronger tentacles would be created, cause mc's good old tentacles has always been the best byproduct of both memory and body.
 

Youtiy

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I remember that but I'm unclear as to how that will manifest. We don't see Ella really put that into action herself, at least in a demonstrative way, aside from the 'immutable' property she expends energy to maintain when Malik tries to roast her. Most of her combat is similar to MC's except she focuses more on rapid transformations than a single powerful form.
We don't see Ella do anything like that no, however as we already know no two Superhuman's evolve the same way due to how evolution works. So just because Ella can or can't do something doesn't mean we will or won't be able to do it.
 
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KingAgamemnon

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Order, Evolution, and Infinity.
Soul, Paradox, and Chaos.

I was thinking about the hierarchy of God > Outer Twins > Arbiters > Apostles, and I've been trying to see how the two sets of Arbiters work together. So Order, Evolution and Infinity feel like properties of the world as it currently exists, if that makes sense. If you interpret Order as being the laws of physics, evolution being change, and infinity as describing the dimensions of reality, then we could say that the first Outer Twin embodies properties of the universe as it currently exists.

The second arbiter sort of feels like things that necessarily exist outside of reality. Paradox, representing incompatible states of being, Chaos representing the primordial nothingness before creation and after heat death, and I guess technically Soul counts? We've never actually seen any confirmation that an afterlife exists, so perhaps it doesn't? All we know is that a part of you can persist within the memory world, but this isn't meant as a proper afterlife since it decays the longer it stays there. So I suppose Souls intend to fade away into nothingness after death.

So perhaps we're looking at Is vs Is Not, or Something vs Nothing, or Existence vs Nonexistence.

Granted, these don't fit as neatly together as the arbiters did for the apostles, but there might be something there. Or we could be off base with our assumptions of the cosmic hierarchy, which is also possible but I find it less than likely, if only because of the strong correlations between the Apostles, Arbiters and God. Given separating into smaller more specialized demigods seems to be a pattern, the idea of the Outer Twins being an in-between step between God and the Arbiters makes a lot of sense imo.
 
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I wonder, where will the mc's body powers go from here? Just increase in sheer mass? He's learning more malleability from Ella but there seems to be a limitation in how much more oomph he can get aside from raw power. I guess the arbiter bad ends kinda show off some possible feats, like compressing a mountain's worth of matter into a blade
He could do insanely crazy and powerful things if he had in-depth knowledge about what he is doing, even now. Right now Mc is mostly going by gut feeling and mimicking what he absorbed, but really, sky's the limit, and some transformations would be insanely power-effective (I assume) for their effect. Just some examples that come to my mind, from less to more impactful:
  • Transforming some powerful magnets to shield from metallic projectiles/accelerate his harpoons - railgun isn't really a Deryl-only thing.
  • Transforming superconductors on his armor, some thin lines on top of it. Why? Well, they will still be suspectible to his weakness to electricity, but most electric attack would "flow" through those specifically (you know, resistance and all), limiting the damage to his body.
  • Transforming to exceptionally radioactive materials, kind of a slow burn and double-edged thing, but pretty much no one could 1. protect themselves from it 2. Heal from it. Radiate some guy with 10 chernobyl's worth for a minute and just leave, even superhumans would be hard pressed to not fall apart from that with time, they still have DNA that can be fucked with (at least MC had as level 1).
  • Miniaturization. Go Bacteria mode on someone's ass and fuck them from inside -and right now MC can imbue memories to effectively hard-code what that bacteria form would do, like emitting poisons and whatnot.
  • All he's been doing, but greater density, so potentially greater final output, like with the Arbiter.
  • Loooong tentacles, really long so he won't oneshot himself, and then change their tips exposed to air, just a quarter of a gram would be exceptionally effective. To what exactly? Antimatter.
  • Make armor from whatever gravastars are made. Pretty much indestructible, with added benefit that after MC make it, it's on and does not need more power to sustain itself, like the Ella's invulnerability. On the con side, he'll probably weight around as much as a planet, and if it's cracked somehow, he'll probably be crushed by it's internal collapse.
 
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