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Yes in real life you can replicate someone else's work easily enough with the knowledge and expertise, but Bramon is a brilliant man in a superhero setting, that often means they are essential in making them.
I think you may be forgetting just how ahead of the curve Xanthe is compared to everyone else. Xanthe has tech that turns his thoughts into books! His thought books make up entire libraries by themselves. I don't think that it's that people can't duplicate his work or knowledge but that it would take forever. He's been working with monsters and expanding available technology in perhaps dozens of fields, for the entire United World and thus the whole globe for decades. He's probably fathered entire sub-disciplines of knowledge and technology that nobody but him understands. Tanos is but a child in comparison to Bramon. Deryl, not even a mewling newborn. More like, a still developing fetus. He's made a new language that nobody has either enough time. or wishes to expound enough effort to understand.

Bramon's biggest threat currently for losing his status is Deryl, Mia, and MC. MC could literally steal all of his knowledge upon Xanthe's death, and give it to Mia and Deryl to create a new operation off of his life's work.
 
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Can someone clear my confusion, "Are the Greater Spawn the only ones so far to have been shown as performing trials?" Greater meaning of direct descent to the Apostles.
As far as I know, yeah, someone mentioned WW having said that Bernhardt completed his, but outside that I have never read or heard about the spawn of a lower monster doing trials, don't think would make sense either, since for instance, Malik's and Berni's Monster Parents are fodder, and(liked theory) those two being as powerful prob has to do precisely with them being loose ends, with an indefinite potential thanks to not being directly connected with the Apostles, just as Syla said, while lesser spawn often don't make it to upper levels, when they do they are unusually dangerous
 

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Creation trait is probably my favorite, though it make me a little confused how it works since some stuff one would assume is within the domain of said trait, has been more represented within Body's

Like, I think a powerful enough spawn of Creation, would have the potential to be more akin to Jackie Estacado from the Darkness than the MC, create a broken armor and have the possibility to 'birth' their very own army of loyal aberrations, but Devana seems to need blueprints from Rebis, so perhaps simply wake up and say, 'Yeah, I want a Dragon today' wouldn't be really possible, that or Devena is simply a bit lacking in knowledge/imagination
 
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Like, I think a powerful enough spawn of Creation, would have the potential to be more akin to Jackie Estacado from the Darkness than the MC, create a broken armor and have the possibility to 'birth' their very own army of loyal aberrations, but Devana seems to need blueprints from Rebis, so perhaps simply wake up and say, 'Yeah, I want a Dragon today' wouldn't be really possible, that or Devena is simply a bit lacking in knowledge/imagination
I think he's helping her because he has more experience, but I will admit that Devana moon does come across as another lazy, arrogant superhuman who thinks they are above, 'pushing it to the brink' like Cole. She's just going through Eis' motions.

She talks shit bout Deryl abilities being inferior to hers but Deryl's shown he's far more capable than her lazy ass. She seems arrogant enough to think she can take Tanos at level four. Can't wait for that ego to get checked by anyone at this point, tho MC already almost killed her.
 
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As far as I know, yeah, someone mentioned WW having said that Bernhardt completed his, but outside that I have never read or heard about the spawn of a lower monster doing trials, don't think would make sense either, since for instance, Malik's and Berni's Monster Parents are fodder, and(liked theory) those two being as powerful prob has to do precisely with them being loose ends, with an indefinite potential thanks to not being directly connected with the Apostles, just as Syla said, while lesser spawn often don't make it to upper levels, when they do they are unusually dangerous
Thank you. I didn't know that about Bernie.
 
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I think he's helping her because he has more experience, but I will admit that Devana moon does come across as another lazy, arrogant superhuman who thinks they are above, 'pushing it to the brink' like Cole. She's just going through Eis' motions.

She talks shit bout Deryl abilities being inferior to hers but Deryl's shown he's far more capable than her lazy ass. She seems arrogant enough to think she can take Tanos at level four. Can't wait for that ego to get checked by anyone at this point, tho MC already almost killed her.
She seem like the very definition of what Nico seem to despise, a Superhuman that think themselves like the pinnacle of power just by having a better starting point than the rest, a pity since as I said, her powers are probably some of my favorites, and like, Deryl's are similar enough but he need his stone
 
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It's funny to me that this is even in the game. Imagine caring about socializing when you discovered kick ass supernatural powers. My family, much less my friends, wouldn't see me for years as I engaged in a hermit training arc.
This is accurate as fuck for me. I would be going from Genkai training to Roshi training to Kami training to King Kai Training to Supreme Kai Training, You wouldn't see me in person until I became as close as I could to a level five.
 
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She seem like the very definition of what Nico seem to despise, a Superhuman that think themselves like the pinnacle of power just by having a better starting point than the rest, a pity since as I said, her powers are probably some of my favorites, and like, Deryl's are similar enough but he need his stone
Seemingly, her brother is her opposite. He seems to take his powers very seriously. We may need Eye help to solo him(Though, I guess that isn't really a solo anymore). Even Syla informed us that the duo together are going to be a problem in MC's future.
 
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If I remember correctly, she uses the multiple rings around her arms to increase the final size of a portal. I have a strong suspicion that Black Holes aren't going to work on Indra, Gunvald, or Malik. They seem powerful enough to totally ignore the physical damaging effects of one. She's also not fast enough to catch them with one.


A strong enough Truth Chosen could deny its reality. Destruction could probably tank or absorb the damage. Light would still pwn her. She isn't gonna even be able to touch Glae or Henry, a Space or Authority chosen. A Memory Chosen could probably cause her to miss the attack entirely or delete it from existence in dream world like Syla. Her portals didn't even work on a weakened Valrav'n that a level 2 MC could beat almost completely solo depending on their choices. Granted. she'd probably pwn a Body or Creation chosen always and a Memory Chosen in the physical world. 3 out of 12 chosen isn't a good stat for a DPSer. Her future is being a utility support character rather than a front line fighter just like Clark who she talked shit about. Cunt.
Will black holes work on anyone? When she opened the rings on the sun, the ring didn't suck anything in despite it's gravity, so I doubt a black hole would work unless someone actually falls into a ring.
 
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As much as her sneakiness and manipulation piss me off I love Ella as a character and this game would be worse without her. The fact that a fictional character is able to actually frustrate and (on my first playthrough) surprise me shows just how well written she is.
Yeah, she is perhaps one of, if not the most well written character I've seen in any of the over 500 VNs I've played. We definitely gonna have to collar and leash her tho. She's trouble if she somehow gains her former level five power. Ella Doll's trouble now as a severely weakened level four. I don't think we've seen the last of her sneaky, manipulative bullshit. We're just going to have more control over the outcome of her schemes due to us coming into our own power and her arrogance, getting her mirked temporarily or permanently by Nyx.

Has great sex scenes as well with the fire dirty talking. Still outside of being held under my complete control, if Big Ella reappears, I plan on eating her like Eye and Mother would want. Big El was too unpredictable, powerful, and callous to be allowed to have free reign regardless of any sex scenes :D.
Girl violated Jake, Deryl, and Mia indirectly for plans she refuses to tell to MC anything about in even the broadest sense.. In my mind, you got get subjugated or obliterated! :mad: So either subjugation or slurpee if she reappears;).
 
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I think he's helping her because he has more experience, but I will admit that Devana moon does come across as another lazy, arrogant superhuman who thinks they are above, 'pushing it to the brink' like Cole. She's just going through Eis' motions.

She talks shit bout Deryl abilities being inferior to hers but Deryl's shown he's far more capable than her lazy ass. She seems arrogant enough to think she can take Tanos at level four. Can't wait for that ego to get checked by anyone at this point, tho MC already almost killed her.
Yeah, Devana seems to act very similarly to Nico. Both have seemingly strong powers that may not measure up to other superhumans at level 5, both act smug as shit despite being injured by others, and both seem to for some reason think they can take way stronger superhumans/monsters like Valravn, Tanos, and Zack. Basically arrogant bitches that need to be put in their place lol.
 
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Yeah, she is perhaps one of, if not the most well written character I've seen in any of the over 500 VNs I've played. We definitely gonna have to collar and leash her tho. She's trouble if she somehow gains her former level five power. Ella Doll's trouble now as a severely weakened level four. I don't think we've seen the last of her sneaky, manipulative bullshit. We're just going to have more control over the outcome of her schemes due to us coming into our own power and her arrogance, getting her mirked temporarily or permanently by Nyx.

Has great sex scenes as well with the fire dirty talking. Still outside of being held under my complete control, if Big Ella reappears, I plan on eating her like Eye and Mother would want. Big El was too unpredictable, powerful, and callous to be allowed to have free reign regardless of any sex scenes :D.
Girl violated Jake, Deryl, and Mia indirectly for plans she refuses to tell to MC anything about in even the broadest sense.. In my mind, you got get subjugated or obliterated! :mad: So either subjugation or slurpee if she reappears;).
Yeah, I don't foresee there being anything that could convince me to spare big Ella if she isn't actually dead. She's sexy af but has done way too much to screw over the mc and those close to him.
 

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Seemingly, her brother is her opposite. He seems to take his powers very seriously. We may need Eye help to solo him(Though, I guess that isn't really a solo anymore). Even Syla informed us that the duo together are going to be a problem in MC's future.
Yeah, Evander seems like he's far stronger and more talented than his sister but doesn't let it go to his head.
 
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Yeah, Devana seems to act very similarly to Nico. Both have seemingly strong powers that may not measure up to other superhumans at level 5, both act smug as shit despite being injured by others, and both seem to for some reason think they can take way stronger superhumans/monsters like Valravn, Tanos, and Zack. Basically arrogant bitches that need to be put in their place lol.
Yup and I can't wait to do it. But I want to point out that Nico actually trains hard, like really hard! She just overestimates her capabilities, and is arrogant as hell. She's a superhuman supremacist who's "Will to Power" minded like Ella, acts even more arrogant than her but Ella has much more versatile powers. Devana seems to be lazy as fuck, coasting off of being a greater spawn who's twin power boosted.

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Ella>Nico>Devana(kinda feels silly to put her here because she's that ASS)
 
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Yup and I can't wait to do it. But I want to point out that Nico actually trains hard, like really hard! She just overestimates her capabilities, and is arrogant as hell. She's a superhuman supremacist who's "Will to Power" minded like Ella, acts even more arrogant than her but Ella has much more versatile powers. Devana seems to be lazy as fuck, coasting off of being a greater spawn who's twin power boosted.

Essentially
Ella>Nico>Devana(kinda feels silly to put her here because she's that ASS)
Yeah, I suppose I can at least give Nico credit for actually having worked for her strength/control compared to Devana who, like you said, doesn't work for what strength she has.
 
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Ella>Nico>Devana(kinda feels silly to put her here because she's that ASS)
Surprisingly, Nyx is the strongest of all the female superhumans shown thus far and is perhaps the one who brags the least about her capabilities. Kira is another with enough training destined to be great. Lisa's probably gonna surpass Nico as well. She seems determined and Nico seems to be maxxing out.

Forecasted Future Female Superhuman Power Tier List

Alice(BAE,my darling, I love this girl. Hopefully she doesn't die)>Nyx>Ella>Lisa>Kira(as a Collosus spawn, she's probably gonna progress to the point where Nico can't harm her)>Nico(future utility team member. Been smashing for sure tho!)>Klaus Aunt(just kidding:p please ignore)>Laurie(sorry, couldn't help it)>Demi(okay, I'm done promise...)>Angelina(LMAO)>Devana(dirt, I'd smash tho.)
 
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Forecasted Future Female Superhuman Power Tier List

Alice(BAE,my darling, I love this girl. Hopefully she doesn't die)>Nyx>Ella>Lisa>Kira(as a Collosus spawn, she's probably gonna progress to the point where Nico can't harm her)>Nico(future utility team member. Been smashing for sure tho!)>Klaus Aunt(just kidding:p please ignore)>Laurie(sorry, couldn't help it)>Demi(okay, I'm done promise...)>Angelina(LMAO)>Devana(dirt, I'd smash tho.)
I left the twins out on purpose. I have no idea how they are going to progress.
 

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She seem like the very definition of what Nico seem to despise, a Superhuman that think themselves like the pinnacle of power just by having a better starting point than the rest, a pity since as I said, her powers are probably some of my favorites, and like, Deryl's are similar enough but he need his stone
Tbh she has been a superhuman for a month I will give her some leeway she had a shit background and suddenly she is powerful now and that too level 3 it was likely going to make her head big lol.
 
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Yeah, I don't foresee there being anything that could convince me to spare big Ella if she isn't actually dead. She's sexy af but has done way too much to screw over the mc and those close to him.
I knew I was done with Big Ella who I was still smashing regularly when she told me in the hospital with brain raped Mia, "If you're expecting me to feel guilty about what I've done, well I'm sorry, but you are going to be disappointed. I'm just not that kinda girl. I've done things far worse than this."

It was my second playthrough. I paid less attention to the sex and more to how ruthless she was and even worse in my opinion, how little she cared. It's one thing to have goals you are willing to do a lot to accomplish, but the lack of guilt is what repulses me. At least in Watchmen, the villain knew they did something fucked, admitted it, and said that they made sure they knew it was fucked up and live with it for the rest of their life.

She's just like, "Yeah. I did that. I put a innocent girl in a coma. I enslaved your best friend and caused him to become a grotesque, frankenstein monster. It's for the greater good. What good? You gotta trust me. Can't say. Sorry. You are important(an important tool). Sorry, not sorry about anything. Still want to come to my concert and smash later?"(Can't believe that last sex scene with Big Ella before her death isn't made avoidable.)


It had me thinking just what other fucked up things she's done, she's doing and is willing to do to accomplish her "Super Duper Top Secret Take To The Grave Goal", she won't even hint at despite telling me I'm so important to her! Fuck outta here. You being enslaved like you and Jake enslaved Deryl or you gonna be a MILKSHAKE. No third option!
 

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Surprisingly, Nyx is the strongest of all the female superhumans shown thus far and is perhaps the one who brags the least about her capabilities. Kira is another with enough training destined to be great. Lisa's probably gonna surpass Nico as well. She seems determined and Nico seems to be maxxing out.

Forecasted Future Female Superhuman Power Tier List

Alice(BAE,my darling, I love this girl. Hopefully she doesn't die)>Nyx>Ella>Lisa>Kira(as a Collosus spawn, she's probably gonna progress to the point where Nico can't harm her)>Nico(future utility team member. Been smashing for sure tho!)>Klaus Aunt(just kidding:p please ignore)>Laurie(sorry, couldn't help it)>Demi(okay, I'm done promise...)>Angelina(LMAO)>Devana(dirt, I'd smash tho.)
Are we told what Lisa's powers are? I remember it being said she's very strong but can't recall if her power was ever revealed.
 
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