VN Ren'Py Superhuman [v0.999] [WeirdWorld]

[RabbidSupreme]

You know I like to think that the form that arbiter takes whenever we get those bad endings might just be MCs level 4 form, maybe a bit corrupted with those tentacles shooting out of torso instead of legs. This makes MCs level 5 even more intriguing because then we know that MCs full potential hasnt been spoiled yet.

Whatever MC becomes in the dead end says "this body has surpassed it's 5th" so I doubt it

 

[BenoTF25]

Whatever MC becomes in the dead end says "this body has surpassed it's 5th" so I doubt it

That's the thing, the Eye just mentioned the body, physical strength and all that, which is shown in how he slap Lexi out Hex's Dimension. But we know Evolution can be quite unpredictable, creating people like Nyx, whose power is in Ella's words, far stronger than the one her Monster Parent has, MC even on his proper third Evo, has already displayed powers that the Eye did not against Deus nor Bernhardt, I would actually be surprised if MC on his fifth isn't more dangerous than the Eye Bernhardt killed, who was far more powerful than Eis.

 

[Dmoll007]

Whatever MC becomes in the dead end says "this body has surpassed it's 5th" so I doubt it

Aww maaan. I hope Weirdboy retcons that.

 

[Dinoflaggelate]

My guess is that the Eye fusing with the MC functions similarly to forced evolution from the serum. The level 5s who evolved from the serum are implied to be weaker than the natural level 5s because they didn't cultivate as strong a foundation of power for the evolution to build upon. Having the Eye push the MC's body straight to level 5 from level 2 or 3 would result in an even weaker product, because the foundation would be far lesser. Also, the Eye's own strength is dependent on it reuniting its fragments, and it relies on the MC's power for that. So the weaker the MC is when it fuses with him, the more unsteady the foundation and the less power it has to augment it with. I'd expect, then, that a level 5 MC would be stronger than the Eye fusions we've seen, but that an Eye fusion built from a level 5 MC would be the godlike being the Eye is supposed to be.

 

[dragonlord6789]

I just realized Ella said that you need a lot more power than the person you are transforming in the case of superhumans or monster. So, does that mean Ella's power, after a few months as a level 5, grew far beyond Duncan's after his 34 years of training as a level 3? After all she did have the energy to fight Nico after turning Duncan into a tree and when the Mc checked tree Duncan, he said Ella's power was greater than Duncan's. If this is true, then forget the big 3 of Hero, the Mc is going to struggle massively just to catch up to the 'normal" level 5 that are likely growing in the current arc.

 

[mad_kiwi]

Liz needs something, you can see she cares for her sister, but her coldness doesn't work for someone you would fall in love with before we the audience see it.

I agree, cut the romance route and Liz makes much more sense as a character

 

[Dinoflaggelate]

I just realized Ella said that you need a lot more than the person you are transforming in the case of superhumans or monster. So, does that mean Ella's power, after a few months as a level 5, grew far beyond Duncan's after his 34 years of training as a level 3? After all she did have the energy to fight Nico after turning Duncan into a tree and when the Mc checked tree Duncan, he said Ella's power was greater than Duncan's. If this is true, then forget the big 3 of Hero, the Mc is going to struggle massively just to catch up to the 'normal" level 5 that are likely growing in the current arc.

Yeah, it seems that the higher your level, the faster you can grow in power. At least the MC doesn't have any level 5 enemies, yet. Just some level 4 enemies, who should still have grown a lot since last we saw them. So still a lot of uphill battles in our future, I guess. Or maybe the MC is going to get a major power boost when he hits level 4, that would be nice.

 

[Obliviousdemonchild666]

Even though it’s an event mentioned multiple times in the game as something that’s about to happen.
I honestly don’t know if the end is actually near, there’s still so much left to develop. The MC is only at level 3, Ella hasn’t been reborn, Michael was still level 2, and Daryl is also stuck at level 3. Even with Alice’s power boost turning her into a monster, it’s still not enough. Amber and Liz are only level 1, even if they’re exceptions..., what could they possibly do against threats that rival level 5 opponents or even stronger?

They’re clearly not ready yet, and it’s going to take a while before they are. There’s still a lot that needs to happen before the end.

amber and liz are level 3 as they evolved when they woke up with their powers and it's stated that twins only evolve twice because they jump from 1 to 3 to 5 so its less they need to catch up and more they need actual skill and experience to hasten their evolution as well as see if they can fix or help the situation with their body.

 

[KingAgamemnon]

Ok I'll try to explain the main gist. Do note that I'll make a lot of assumptions.

The basic premise is that MC gets 3~ times better at everything after evolving, by comparing level 1 and level 2. This is what happened:

Level 1 MC gains on average 0.33 (14/42) power per day.
The usual ranges to complete the level 1 story arc is 9-14 I think.
When MC evolves he becomes about 3 times as powerful as he used to be. (29-34 vs 9-14)

Level 2 MC gains on average 1.1 (66/58) power per day.
The usual ranges to complete the level 2 story arc is 90-115 power.
When MC evolves he again becomes about 3 times as powerful as he used to be (290-315 vs 90-115)

When 0.96 dropped, I calculated how many power points MC could get. These are the "power gains" data for 0.96
Days at level 3: 12
Gains:
10 - Nyx's Serum
10 - Fighting Asura
10 - Training 1
3 - Training 2
15 - Shopkeep

48 power points over 12 days. This means an improvement rate of 4, which is close enough to my premise.


From there on, there are two ways to proceed.

Possibility 1 - It will continue in a linear fashion:
The reason I don't like this possibility is because it means that MC will improve at 3.5~ power per day and reach around 900 total power, which will take him 170 in game days. This seems like too much time. I expect the game to barely last 250 ingame days

Possibility 2 - Normalize it somehow:
I've been thinking, if I take the level 2 data and divide them with the level 1 data, I will get some factors that I can apply to level 2 data to predict how level 3 will behave. If I do this, the power improvement rate stays similar. So I applied to anything that made sense, made some calculations and I quite liked what I saw.

So from the possibility 2, I predicted that MC will have a power improvement rate of 1.1 * (1.1/0.33) = 3.8~ per day and he will stay at level 3 for 58 * (58/42) = 80~ days. MC will finish this level with around 650-750 power and reach level 4 with about 2000 power.

I compared this progression to monster reports and some ingame dialogue (Asura power level, Lt Duncan's power in comparison to level 5s) and I like it a lot more than the linear one.



Considering that the general consensus is that the game is about half done, staying level 3 for 10 updates is acceptable. We have already gone through 3 of them and I expect the twin arc to last 3 more updates.

Additionally MC doesn't really have to stay long at level 4 thanks to the evolution serum so WW can jumpstart the endgame without too much hassle if he wants to.

Some more info:

The game started back in 2021-Feb-13 with
Level 1 and 2: 0.1. 0.2, 0.3, 0.4, 0.5, 0.6, 0.65, 0.7, 0.75, 0.8, 0.85, 0.88, 0.9, 0.92, 0.94 and lastly 0.95 where MC evolves.
Level 3: 0.95, 0.96, 0.97

I think it's fair to assume that there is no way MC will evolve before 1.0. There exists some possibility that things will get nasty and MC will evolve at this point, but to me it feels a bit too rushed. MC hasn't even begun to explore his level 3 capabilities.

While WW's version numbers aren't consistent, the increments are smaller than they used to be, so I expect to see 0.98 and 0.99 before 1.0.

Went back to peruse the old theories, and I'm surprised how well this seems to be fitting the mold. Though the power and days seem to be off kilter a bit, but it's holding pretty well. MC is around 700-850 power atm, and it's been about 60 days since he became level 3. If the estimate is to be believed, MC might evolve come the update after the next one. Which fits with WW's timeline of wanting v1.0 to be the third update in line.

Food for thought, at least.

 

[King_In_Yellow]

I agree, cut the romance route and Liz makes much more sense as a character

cutting content is not a good idea

 

[BenoTF25]

My guess is that the Eye fusing with the MC functions similarly to forced evolution from the serum. The level 5s who evolved from the serum are implied to be weaker than the natural level 5s because they didn't cultivate as strong a foundation of power for the evolution to build upon. Having the Eye push the MC's body straight to level 5 from level 2 or 3 would result in an even weaker product, because the foundation would be far lesser. Also, the Eye's own strength is dependent on it reuniting its fragments, and it relies on the MC's power for that. So the weaker the MC is when it fuses with him, the more unsteady the foundation and the less power it has to augment it with. I'd expect, then, that a level 5 MC would be stronger than the Eye fusions we've seen, but that an Eye fusion built from a level 5 MC would be the godlike being the Eye is supposed to be.

I think WeirdWorld has stated that there is no difference in quality between a Natural Fifth Evolution, and one produced by the Serum, in fact the Serum might even be the better option, since Bernhardt and Malik apparently(on this one I'm less sure than the statement of the Quality between type of Evos) did something dangerous to reach their final one naturally.

I think the Eye, simply fill the MC to the brim with raw power, but that doesn't translate to the benefits of a True Evolution, but again, I dobut that's the same for a Serum-induced Evo, Nyx, Lucius and Zack were all Superhumans for as long as the trio, having even more time to grow on their fourth, yet they are not as powerful in their Fifth, whatever make Malik, Bernhardt and Henri as strong as they are, is probably unrelated to them being naturals, I'm almost sure of that, mostly because of Henri himself, he didn't have any time to cultivate strength between levels, since he go from 1 to 5, evolving back and forth during four days, nonetheless, he end as a one of the strongest level 5, if not the strongest if he embraced his powers/nature.

 

[BenoTF25]

I just realized Ella said that you need a lot more power than the person you are transforming in the case of superhumans or monster. So, does that mean Ella's power, after a few months as a level 5, grew far beyond Duncan's after his 34 years of training as a level 3? After all she did have the energy to fight Nico after turning Duncan into a tree and when the Mc checked tree Duncan, he said Ella's power was greater than Duncan's. If this is true, then forget the big 3 of Hero, the Mc is going to struggle massively just to catch up to the 'normal" level 5 that are likely growing in the current arc.

I mean, WeirdWorld doesn't seem all that in the boat to make MC the strongest, but if he wanted to, it would make sense within world. Henri evolved back and forth in as many nights, and ended as a Freak Power-wise, besides, Bernhardt(and probably Malik) on his Fourth was stronger than level 5 Kira and Elijah, if MC end up being truly special, his Fourth might just be an outlier like Bernhardt apparently was on the same level.

 

[Grimnir098]

I think WeirdWorld has stated that there is no difference in quality between a Natural Fifth Evolution, and one produced by the Serum, in fact the Serum might even be the better option, since Bernhardt and Malik apparently(on this one I'm less sure than the statement of the Quality between type of Evos) did something dangerous to reach their final one naturally.

I think the Eye, simply fill the MC to the brim with raw power, but that doesn't translate to the benefits of a True Evolution, but again, I dobut that's the same for a Serum-induced Evo, Nyx, Lucius and Zack were all Superhumans for as long as the trio, having even more time to grow on their fourth, yet they are not as powerful in their Fifth, whatever make Malik, Bernhardt and Henri as strong as they are, is probably unrelated to them being naturals, I'm almost sure of that, mostly because of Henri himself, he didn't have any time to cultivate strength between levels, since he go from 1 to 5, evolving back and forth during four days, nonetheless, he end as a one of the strongest level 5, if not the strongest if he embraced his powers/nature.

I don't know if WW has said anything on the topic, but I'm certain the reason for the trio's obvious superiority to other level 5s is because they've completed the trials, rather than because they evolved naturally like some in this thread seem to think.

It seems like WW even has Bernhardt and Henri discuss this to make things clear. Bernhardt and Henri are watching Elijah and Kira fight, and Bernhardt remarks that they're very weak, then wonders if it's because of the serum. Henri points out that they were special even before they reached level 5.

 

[KKStrider]

amber and liz are level 3 as they evolved when they woke up with their powers and it's stated that twins only evolve twice because they jump from 1 to 3 to 5 so its less they need to catch up and more they need actual skill and experience to hasten their evolution as well as see if they can fix or help the situation with their body.

They didn't evolve. They're still Level 1s, they just share an MP pool and have powers that let them punch above their weight class. Functionally, due to both training and being fused together - therefore always being within proximity to share their MP through their twin connection - the twins are probably around Level 2. Liz's access to instantly lethal areas of teleportation and Amber's busted regen and MP absorption just make them seem far stronger than they actually are. They don't have the strength of a Level 3 though, not in terms of physicality nor in the damage their abilities inflict.

 

[sho33h3dj]

I think there are still things unknown about the MC that are yet to be revealed. He is the MC after all and since this is a power/relationship conquest I assume there is something thats gonna make MC leapfrog sooner or later. It would be fun with a powerful MC where he stands up to HERO, cant just stand the subordination to them, I actually felt the freedom/adventure aspect of the game went down a bit when HERO entered the game, like everything got squared in and all things suddenly felt forced, I just prefer the independent MC archetype more.

 

[shujuku]

I agree, cut the romance route and Liz makes much more sense as a character

liz is a wet cardboard box in personality.

 

[shujuku]

Yeah, it seems that the higher your level, the faster you can grow in power. At least the MC doesn't have any level 5 enemies, yet. Just some level 4 enemies, who should still have grown a lot since last we saw them. So still a lot of uphill battles in our future, I guess. Or maybe the MC is going to get a major power boost when he hits level 4, that would be nice.

level 1 - your powers seeping in and discovering them
level 2 - getting accustomed to your powers
level 3 - achieving your "natural powers"
level 4 - often breaking the boundaries and getting new powers that your daddy/mommy did not have
level 5 - just another 4th evolution but you get a big strength boost.

 

[Nexum768]

liz is a wet cardboard box in personality.

cooking i fear...

 

[chuck899]

liz is a wet cardboard box in personality.

The NTR curse.

 

[BenoTF25]

I think there are still things unknown about the MC that are yet to be revealed. He is the MC after all and since this is a power/relationship conquest I assume there is something thats gonna make MC leapfrog sooner or later. It would be fun with a powerful MC where he stands up to HERO, cant just stand the subordination to them, I actually felt the freedom/adventure aspect of the game went down a bit when HERO entered the game, like everything got squared in and all things suddenly felt forced, I just prefer the independent MC archetype more.

I don't think that's gonna happen, or at least not him standing against them and all that, HERO has probably their hands full on shit with the Monster Invasion, Malik is on outer space for some reason, Henri is most likely doing an Emperor of Mankind-40K type stuff, keeping the Horde of Monsters away, Bernhardt probably too busy one-shooting everything. Same to all the Captains and Lieutenants, MC wouldn't be a priority, he went rogue?, dobut they'd care, good luck for him having fun on a world in the verge of cracking open.