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Oh, I like that idea a lot. Aos called the thing pulling people into the sky a "desecration", and that would certainly apply to the twisted remains of his people's God-Queen. And wasn't the face on the Queen's statue carved off? That definitely fits as symbolism, the Queen being mutilated and losing her identity. Yeah, this idea tracks. Good catch.
Aos also get very uncomfortable when MC and him talk about it, something very curious since Aos is mostly either playful or serious, but being clearly distressed?, that's rare, and would connect with how apparently the Queen of the Sky was loved at a genetic level by her subjects, as Aos despite regarding the 6th Apostle/Ether as his Lord, still think highly of his Queen, same to the Monsters that still pray to her Statue.
 

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I don't really recall any particularly noteworthy examples of shenanigans in that arc, except Monster Deryl immediately going to work with Ella.
To be frank, it's more so with HERO and that we now know they had all of this stuff at their disposal the entire time. But they chose to let Level 4 Ella walk all over them for some reason. It's less to do with Jake and Deryl. Again, this is obviously for the plot. But these things add to why I thought the Jake arc was the weakest arc, to me. Sure, people can ignore it because it didn't bother them personally or they thought it wasn't a big deal. But I never liked how HERO throws in the story for the sake of Ella advancing. Especially when they're constantly hyped up as having some of the strongest superhumans and having some of the most advanced technology at their disposal.

As for Deryl. I didn't see anything wrong with Monster Deryl working with Ella. My issue with Deryl was the fact that he knows Ella's plan from before being turned into a monster and never actually told MC afterwards about it. Even if Charlie spell was on him still, for some reason. And I doubt that because he was a monster and there's no reason for Charlie to believe he could be fixed at that point. There's no reason for him to keep Ella's secret to himself. And it can't be explained away by the memory lost thing because Deryl knew well before the final Jake fight.
 
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Aos also get very uncomfortable when MC and him talk about it, something very curious since Aos is mostly either playful or serious, but being clearly distressed?, that's rare, and would connect with how apparently the Queen of the Sky was loved at a genetic level by her subjects, as Aos despite regarding the 6th Apostle/Ether as his Lord, still think highly of his Queen, same to the Monsters that still pray to her Statue.
Damn, population control must be insane when you're a high level 1st spawn. "All skyhumans love me." Crazy man
 

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I think that the Qliphoth and the thing that produce the weird 'floating' effect on the Monster World are two separated entities, from what Aos said and other implications on the latest update, I think is possible than the 'god' on the sky is the mutilated/warped Sky Queen, transformed into a Monster after being defeated by the Apostles, the Silat talk about the sky Queen having been a 'False God' but strong enough to fit the title, and that she was something without classification, not a monster and definitely something greater than a Spawn(i think is safe to assume than the Trio of HERO is if not already that, close enough), so she being a 'Monster' probably nerfed her, hard, enough for Michael to kill her without the need to become as powerful as Bernhardt, since for the Queen to come down from something without definition to just a Monster, would be a downgrade.
Qliphot and the thing that pulled Michael are two different thing yes, it's was clearly said in game already.
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As for the queen of the sky being that entity now it's indeed very likely based on what Aos said , and he couldnt be talking about his people since him and Danu turned them into Sidhe, so it dont left a lot of possibility .

Aos also did say something else very interesting, he didnt want to talk about it because it would be blasphemy to the highest order, so personnaly i'm not fully convinced it was done by apostles, they hare the highest order, so i wonder if it isnt something that would have been done by the crones to the queen (or her body after her death ) at some point through some ritual like the alt humans turned into those tendril to protect them from the Qliphot.

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another thing that made me think that is that even though these tendril were made at a point were they already lost (Apostles started terraforming), they wanted to protect themsleves from the tree, not the sky, even though it seem to protect them from it too, and it's noted that they emit an eerie glow similar to the sky.
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As for Michael killing it/her at this point it's ridiculous though,because even if we assume she is weakened in this state, A rank monster (who are far more powerfull than Michael would be as a level 3) still fear it, so he wouldnt stand a chance and i'm realy curious how he did survive up there.
 

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To be frank, it's more so with HERO and that we now know they had all of this stuff at their disposal the entire time. But they chose to let Level 4 Ella walk all over them for some reason. It's less to do with Jake and Deryl. Again, this is obviously for the plot. But these things add to why I thought the Jake arc was the weakest arc, to me. Sure, people can ignore it because it didn't bother them personally or they thought it wasn't a big deal. But I never liked how HERO throws in the story for the sake of Ella advancing. Especially when they're constantly hyped up as having some of the strongest superhumans and having some of the most advanced technology at their disposal.

As for Deryl. I didn't see anything wrong with Monster Deryl working with Ella. My issue with Deryl was the fact that he knows Ella's plan from before being turned into a monster and never actually told MC afterwards about it. Even if Charlie spell was on him still, for some reason. And I doubt that because he was a monster and there's no reason for Charlie to believe he could be fixed at that point. There's no reason for him to keep Ella's secret to himself. And it can't be explained away by the memory lost thing because Deryl knew well before the final Jake fight.
The H.E.R.O. stuff is a fair complaint, though H.E.R.O. being unable to deal with Ella does have some valid in-universe explanations. Bramon's omitting information on Ella from the rest of H.E.R.O., probably because it'd expose the stuff he does off the record to the rest of the council. We know he didn't get his information on Ella and her powers from "records", and he almost certainly knew Tanos was working for the enemy and chose to not mention it when Nyx asked if someone like him was responsible for overseeing superhuman production at S.I.N. Deus is also omitting information about Ella for his own unknown reasons, and he was the only precognitive member capable of tracking her they had at the time. Most H.E.R.O. agents legitimately couldn't put her down; the Body trait's regeneration in-universe is shown to be impressive even at lower Levels to Clark and Alexis. Not to mention her distracting H.E.R.O. to keep them stretched thin so when she actually started playing some of the cards hidden up her sleeve, they couldn't send all the actually dangerous people after her. Though I suppose even she knew that a lot of her plans were high risk, because Doll Ella was made before the story even began. If she'd gotten herself killed during the Jake Arc, Doll Ella could have picked up right where she left off, albeit with a heavy nerf to her combat capabilities.

As for Deryl, I think he didn't actually know much about Ella's plan beyond the Battle of Diamonds and the effigy. The Hybrid Deryl we currently have made it evident that he isn't even 100% certain what the effigy would actually become once Ella performed her ritual on it.
 

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Qliphot and the thing that pulled Michael are two different thing yes, it's was clearly said in game already.
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As for the queen of the sky being that entity now it's indeed very likely based on what Aos said , and he couldnt be talking about his people since him and Danu turned them into Sidhe, so it dont left a lot of possibility .

Aos also did say something else very interesting, he didnt want to talk about it because it would be blasphemy to the highest order, so personnaly i'm not fully convinced it was done by apostles, they hare the highest order, so i wonder if it isnt something that would have been done by the crones to the queen (or her body after her death ) at some point through some ritual like the alt humans turned into those tendril to protect them from the Qliphot.

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another thing that made me think that is that even though these tendril were made at a point were they already lost (Apostles started terraforming), they wanted to protect themsleves from the tree, not the sky, even though it seem to protect them from it too, and it's noted that they emit an eerie glow similar to the sky.
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As for Michael killing it/her at this point it's ridiculous though,because even if we assume she is weakened in this state, A rank monster (who are far more powerfull than Michael would be as a level 3) still fear it, so he wouldnt stand a chance and i'm realy curious how he did survive up there.
Very interesting insight, and thank you for taking excerpt' from the VN, I did forget some specific stuff about the topic as a whole.

I personally believe it was something done by the Apostles, and Aos believe is blasphemy since in the end, he still harbor respect for the Sky Queen despite being now a Chosen, hence thinking about her body/corpse mangled and twisted up there is in the end, something terrible for him, even if it was done by his current 'Gods', still, the possibility of it being the doing of the Crones, that on a last measure used the Corpse of their Former Ruler, warped it and corrupted it in order of having a last, desperate 'chance' against the monsters sound metal af, and honestly more interesting than the Apostles just getting a bit sore in the ass after the Queen did put on a fight against them and in exchange defiling her remains.
 
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Deus is also omitting information about Ella for his own unknown reasons, and he was the only precognitive member capable of tracking her they had at the time. Most H.E.R.O. agents legitimately couldn't put her down; the Body trait's regeneration in-universe is shown to be impressive even at lower Levels to Clark and Alexis. Not to mention her distracting H.E.R.O. to keep them stretched thin so when she actually started playing some of the cards hidden up her sleeve, they couldn't send all the actually dangerous people after her. Though I suppose even she knew that a lot of her plans were high risk, because Doll Ella was made before the story even began.
That's a valid point that I think a lot of people don't take into account when talking about how Ella was lucky(to be fair she definitely was, with things like Deus having his own agenda and Bramon keeping stuff in secret), there are not a lot of people in HERO that could deal with Ella for good on 1vs1, even if they are overall far more powerful, Lucius seem to be like a fully physical fighter for one, Kira could make Ella red mist with casual punches, but that wouldn't cut it, Elijah, etc. The only members we know for sure than could deal with Ella on a quick manner are Nyx, Bernhardt, Malik, Planck Heat aside, is safe to assume he has a ton of stuff that could toast Ella into nothingness, or just drain her of Energy, besides, Malik's Heat seem like a bad match for Body, if going by what the Eye said on it's second DeadEnd and obviously Henri, though the latter might actually be a bad idea given how unpredictable he is, so even worse, HERO just had 3 People that could safely deal with Ella 1vs1, all three Captains, with two having surely their hands full with individual missions only proper for them.
 

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Damn, population control must be insane when you're a high level 1st spawn. "All skyhumans love me." Crazy man
Yeah, Jake at lvl 2 was already something else. The Sky Queen while i dobut was a Pure Spawn of the 1st Apostle, she had most likely the Trait on her Monster Lineage, since MC put some emphasis on feeling a hint of 'Authority' in her statue, the font changing, leaving the implication that he was talking about the trait, now, it must have been crazy the stuff she was able to do, Jake at lvl 2 already doing some super mind-rape and having a passive that make attacks miss him, the Queen was beyond LvL 5, not even being a Spawn no more by how powerful she grew up to be.
 
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So Lisa is a slut, Sigh..
That's her thing, yeah.

Don't know who she was fucking though, none of the Captains seem to be the type to hit on her, she hates Elijah and Henri too, Duncan is a nice old man, Nico has beef with her, Lexi can't fuck unless you have regen, Deus just doesn't fuck in general, so maybe the other Female Lieutenants and fodder combatants(?
 

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That's her thing, yeah.

Don't know who she was fucking though, none of the Captains seem to be the type to hit on her, she hates Elijah and Henri too, Duncan is a nice old man, Nico has beef with her, Lexi can't fuck unless you have regen, Deus just doesn't fuck in general, so maybe the other Female Lieutenants and fodder combatants(?
She fucks basically all the new recruits and anyone willing to put into her lol.so basically all the dudes in hero and also likely most monsters she can get hands on
 

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Nico doesn't have beef with Lisa. Lisa has beef with Nico because she can't beat her in a fight. Despite her having more power than Nico. Nico doesn't really care lol.

As for Lisa being a Slut. She openly admitted to fucking just about everyone in HERO and she doesn't discriminate at all. She'll fuck a human, superhuman, monster, animal and so on. Yes, you heard me right on the animal part. She said getting her ass blasted by a unicorn would be a "fun time".

She's one of the Unholy Slut Trinity of the game. She's the Superhuman slut while Tess is the Human one. Eisheth is the Monster one. These three women would fuck anyone and anything. They're in it for the love of the game itself.
 

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Damn, population control must be insane when you're a high level 1st spawn. "All skyhumans love me." Crazy man


Yeah, Jake at lvl 2 was already something else. The Sky Queen while i dobut was a Pure Spawn of the 1st Apostle, she had most likely the Trait on her Monster Lineage, since MC put some emphasis on feeling a hint of 'Authority' in her statue, the font changing, leaving the implication that he was talking about the trait, now, it must have been crazy the stuff she was able to do, Jake at lvl 2 already doing some super mind-rape and having a passive that make attacks miss him, the Queen was beyond LvL 5, not even being a Spawn no more by how powerful she grew up to be.
The sky queen,sea king and also Henri who's said to be like the sea king are said to be like mc but completed (so level 5) and perfect (50/50) unlike mc who is 50/49/1, which mean dual trait from twin apostles.

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So for the queen it realy seem to exclude Autority because it was said by Aglaecwif that she didnt met any monster or human with it since the origin ( and with the colonization of her world you would think that it should have happened).

As for what her power could be if it isnt that, unlike the Sea King or Henri, it's more difficult to say, even if personnaly the queen situation kind of make me think of Henri situation in the dream world where he's a storm in the sky, but in the physical world this time.

Sky people in general seem realy tied to the 6th even before becoming monster, not just Danu, Aos and their child.
Other weapons like the ones Danu used (who rely on ether) can be found by mc,which imply some production of it at least.

and with the pulling ability the sky also seem to have, and what i said about dual trait from twin apostle, i would bet on Infinity , Time + Ether.
 
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