VN Ren'Py Superhuman [v0.99999 Beta] [WeirdWorld]

[Ddlc]

What Valravn says is that while Aglaecwif is familiar with sacrificial rituals, he believes her when she says the outcome of Ella's ritual is too unknown for her to have tried it herself. "Old though she is, her devotion is weak, such knowledge might be beyond her". Which is a weird thing to say, because it seems like the point of the ritual was to summon the Apostles, and even if Aglaecwif's devotion is weak it shouldn't be an unknown to her what happens when the Apostles show up. That suggests that there's something else going on with the ritual.

If Val mentions "devotion" i think he is truly meaning it, in the sense of sharing the ideals/objectives of your apostle and following them faithfully. My example for that is Indra who seems to be the most devout to his apostle, we know that he is a chosen and an avatar, but maybe the ritual is to actually BECOME your apostle, let them take over your body and exist into the material world instead of just manifesting themselves for a time as avatars, erasing the chosen in the process.

 

[Nexum768]

It's easier to get a grasp of the scale by going by the implied cosmic hierarchy and downward.

0. God

1. Outer Twins

2. 6 Arbiters

3. 12 Apostles

4. Qliphoth, Great Ocean and other Gods

5. Chosen, Natural Level 5 Superhumans

6. Level 5 Superhumans, S Class Monsters

7. A Class Monsters, Level 4 Superhumans

8. B Class Monsters, Level 3 Superhumans, limit of human technology and weapons

9. C Class Monsters, Level 2 Superhumans, Peak Humans and others with weapons (monsters or tech)

10. D Class Monsters, Lvl 1 Superhumans, Trained Humans in certain situations

11. E Class Monsters, Regular Humans

Outliers who don't really fit in their appropriate tiers are those like Deus, MC, Henri and Duncan. Mostly because it's implied that some of them have unlocked the original traits or at least have dual traits. Deus in particular was said to completely dwarf Nico in power by Valravn, while only being a Level 4, according to Lisa. Duncan has power on par with Level 5 Superhumans. Being able to one shot A Rank monsters at Level 3.

Origin MC is the tricky one. His powers are incomplete but seeing as he claims to have power beyond the 5th evolution, he should be around the same level as the Qliphoth. Being able to connect to his higher plane to give himself near limitless power. The problem then is that if you sever his connection, which Bernhardt is implied to have done, he's not much of a threat. Around Natural Level 5/Chosen level. Deus likely did something similar as well. Whether it be going back in time to sever his connection or going to the Immaterial world. Which we know Deus can do as he's a Time aligned superhuman. One of the powers that have influence over the Immaterial world.

That said, this list doesn't mean everyone else is equal within their tiers. Some are higher while some are much lower. Nyx, for example, one taps Ella and a bunch of others in the Level 5 section. Then there's Eisheth, as a Chosen, who's way below Malik and Bernhardt, the natural Level 5 Superhumans. This is even while being in her true form. Likely landing around Lexi and Nico tier. Lexi specifically being in the middle, power wise, for the Level 5s at HERO. While Nico is just below the Captains (+ Henri and Deus) in power. Lisa being the only other Lieutenant with more internal power than her. And even she can't beat Nico.

How strong is mc gonna be able to get? (Goated explanation btw thanks) btw who are considered natural superhumans?

 

[OnlineRando]

It's easier to get a grasp of the scale by going by the implied cosmic hierarchy and downward.

0. God

1. Outer Twins

2. 6 Arbiters

3. 12 Apostles

4. Qliphoth, Great Ocean and other Gods

5. Chosen, Natural Level 5 Superhumans

6. Level 5 Superhumans, S Class Monsters

7. A Class Monsters, Level 4 Superhumans

8. B Class Monsters, Level 3 Superhumans, limit of human technology and weapons

9. C Class Monsters, Level 2 Superhumans, Peak Humans and others with weapons (monsters or tech)

10. D Class Monsters, Lvl 1 Superhumans, Trained Humans in certain situations

11. E Class Monsters, Regular Humans

Outliers who don't really fit in their appropriate tiers are those like Deus, MC, Henri and Duncan. Mostly because it's implied that some of them have unlocked the original traits or at least have dual traits. Deus in particular was said to completely dwarf Nico in power by Valravn, while only being a Level 4, according to Lisa. Duncan has power on par with Level 5 Superhumans. Being able to one shot A Rank monsters at Level 3.

Origin MC is the tricky one. His powers are incomplete but seeing as he claims to have power beyond the 5th evolution, he should be around the same level as the Qliphoth. Being able to connect to his higher plane to give himself near limitless power. The problem then is that if you sever his connection, which Bernhardt is implied to have done, he's not much of a threat. Around Natural Level 5/Chosen level. Deus likely did something similar as well. Whether it be going back in time to sever his connection or going to the Immaterial world. Which we know Deus can do as he's a Time aligned superhuman. One of the powers that have influence over the Immaterial world.

That said, this list doesn't mean everyone else is equal within their tiers. Some are higher while some are much lower. Nyx, for example, one taps Ella and a bunch of others in the Level 5 section. Then there's Eisheth, as a Chosen, who's way below Malik and Bernhardt, the natural Level 5 Superhumans. This is even while being in her true form. Likely landing around Lexi and Nico tier. Lexi specifically being in the middle, power wise, for the Level 5s at HERO. While Nico is just below the Captains (+ Henri and Deus) in power. Lisa being the only other Lieutenant with more internal power than her. And even she can't beat Nico.

This is a pretty good list all things considered, although I'd put the natural level 5s above the chosen. I don't think there's anything to imply that Eiseth was particularly weak among them, it's just that Bernhardt is way too strong.

There's also the question of whether or not every natural level 5 would be as strong as that trio. They could simply be exceptions within level 5s regardless of being natty, or maybe having potential as crazy as theirs is a requirement to becoming a natural level 5 in the first place. So accordingly, if all natty level 5s are that strong that placement is too low, and if the trio are just exceptions then there shouldn't be a difference between them and artificial level 5s.

In any case, I don't see a world where the chosen and natural level 5s are of relative power.

 

[Nexum768]

If Val mentions "devotion" i think he is truly meaning it, in the sense of sharing the ideals/objectives of your apostle and following them faithfully. My example for that is Indra who seems to be the most devout to his apostle, we know that he is a chosen and an avatar, but maybe the ritual is to actually BECOME your apostle, let them take over your body and exist into the material world instead of just manifesting themselves for a time as avatars, erasing the chosen in the process.

pretty neat would make sense for the chosen to think like their apostles and share their goals that way if they do take over the chosen's body then it'd probably go smoother? (Idk with erasing the consciousness/becoming the apostle) neat idea

 

[OnlineRando]

How strong is mc gonna be able to get? (Goated explanation btw thanks) btw who are considered natural superhumans?

Natural level 5s are superhumans that evolved to the fifth level without an evolution serum (specifically to evolve to the fifth level, we don't know if using one beforehand has any impact). So far, all three we know are way more powerful than most other entities we've seen, though whether that is because they're all exceptions or if that's a trait common to all natty level 5s is unknown as far as I know.

 

[Nexum768]

Natural level 5s are superhumans that evolved to the fifth level without an evolution serum (specifically to evolve to the fifth level, we don't know if using one beforehand has any impact). So far, all three we know are way more powerful than most other entities we've seen, though whether that is because they're all exceptions or if that's a trait common to all natty level 5s is unknown as far as I know.

I see I think somewhere I read that MC went under a forced evolution? (I think the creepy doctor said it was a forced evolution) so if/when we hit evo 5 will we be considered a natty or does that not matter since we are a 50/50 split

 

[Jonathan Y]

If Val mentions "devotion" i think he is truly meaning it, in the sense of sharing the ideals/objectives of your apostle and following them faithfully. My example for that is Indra who seems to be the most devout to his apostle, we know that he is a chosen and an avatar, but maybe the ritual is to actually BECOME your apostle, let them take over your body and exist into the material world instead of just manifesting themselves for a time as avatars, erasing the chosen in the process.

That's also how I saw it, also makes sense why Ella trows you before the 4th in on of the dead ends, as a prelude to the ritual for the 4th to take over your soul and reincarnate.
Also makes sense why she does this again should you tell her about your memory trait, I think it was on the wiki stated that whilst all other apostles want their chosen to be as pure as possible, the third and fourth seek a rare 50/50 genetics beetwen them in their chosen ( the MC ).

 

[OnlineRando]

I see I think somewhere I read that MC went under a forced evolution? (I think the creepy doctor said it was a forced evolution) so if/when we hit evo 5 will we be considered a natty or does that not matter since we are a 50/50 split

That's why I said specifically to evolve to the fifth level. Truthfully, we don't know whether or not that'd have an impact, but so far no one that evolved with a serum was particularly weaker than others of their level that evolved naturally, so that has me thinking that either the fifth evolution is a bit special in that regard so the serum can't replicate it perfectly, or that the natty trio are just exceptions in general. Which, at least for Henry, seems to be the case.

 

[necromater]

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[Dinoflaggelate]

I see I think somewhere I read that MC went under a forced evolution? (I think the creepy doctor said it was a forced evolution) so if/when we hit evo 5 will we be considered a natty or does that not matter since we are a 50/50 split

It probably won't matter. There are implications that it's not "the evolution serum makes for weaker level 5s" but instead "the evolution serum lets people too weak to reach level 5 on their own do it anyway". The requirements for level 5 are supposed to strengthen you and build your foundation for further growth. Henri says at one point that the natural level 5s were already stronger than the serum ones while they were still level 4. So long as the MC undergoes the trials and rituals (most of which, unfortunately, he has no idea about), he should be strong enough to become a natural level 5 even if at one point he had a forced evolution.

 

[Pedrogames2001BR]

I wonder if this new monster monster is actually the monster daughter of MC and Aglaecwif since those green eyes remind me of the fantasy apostle since during the eclipse Aglaecwif makes it clear that MC's son has already been born.

 

[INquiop]

Who here for turning some of the male cast into busty women with our powers if we have the chance thumps up for yes or thumbs down for no cause honestly I would not hate some of them if i could potentially get them pregnant

 

[eroul211]

Maybe she is one of the monster that can control Hexarings?

 

[TheShelly]

Maybe she is one of the monster that can control Hexarings?

The monsters that Ella says are capable of subjugating Hexenrings are called the Daoine Sith, aka the same species of Aos, the Fairy that gave Alice her powers.

 

[Nexum768]

It probably won't matter. There are implications that it's not "the evolution serum makes for weaker level 5s" but instead "the evolution serum lets people too weak to reach level 5 on their own do it anyway". The requirements for level 5 are supposed to strengthen you and build your foundation for further growth. Henri says at one point that the natural level 5s were already stronger than the serum ones while they were still level 4. So long as the MC undergoes the trials and rituals (most of which, unfortunately, he has no idea about), he should be strong enough to become a natural level 5 even if at one point he had a forced evolution.

I feel like it might be a special forced evolution since the eye kinda caused it (I think so)

 

[Nexum768]

It probably won't matter. There are implications that it's not "the evolution serum makes for weaker level 5s" but instead "the evolution serum lets people too weak to reach level 5 on their own do it anyway". The requirements for level 5 are supposed to strengthen you and build your foundation for further growth. Henri says at one point that the natural level 5s were already stronger than the serum ones while they were still level 4. So long as the MC undergoes the trials and rituals (most of which, unfortunately, he has no idea about), he should be strong enough to become a natural level 5 even if at one point he had a forced evolution.

I feel like it might be a special forced evolution since the eye kinda caused it (I think so)

I wonder if this new monster monster is actually the monster daughter of MC and Aglaecwif since those green eyes remind me of the fantasy apostle since during the eclipse Aglaecwif makes it clear that MC's son has already been born. View attachment 4286144

PREGNANNTTT MARRIED!

 

[eroul211]

The monsters that Ella says are capable of subjugating Hexenrings are called the Daoine Sith, aka the same species of Aos, the Fairy that gave Alice her powers.

Well ya but they are not looking all the same right? We don't know what size the monster so she may bea fairy type like AOS

 

[TheShelly]

Well ya but they are not looking all the same right? We don't know what size the monster so she may bea fairy type like AOS

Monsters of the same species have so far been shown to be quite consistently same looking. This one has different type of wings, no legs, wings instead of arms, horns and a dress. No pointy ears, no completely blue eyes, nothing. The only common factor Aos and this new monster have is that they both have wings. There would have to be some pretty heavy sexual dimorphisim at play here to make them the same species.

 

[DrakoGhoul]

How strong is mc gonna be able to get? (Goated explanation btw thanks) btw who are considered natural superhumans?

MC probably lands around Arbiter tier at the highest by the end. Lowest being Natural Level 5.

As for the Natural Level 5 Superhumans. It's superhumans who evolved naturally while completing their requirements to evolve. Doing it rewards them with gifts in the form of unique abilities or mutations of their powers. It also likely grants a greater amount of internal power and increased power growth as well.

This is a pretty good list all things considered, although I'd put the natural level 5s above the chosen. I don't think there's anything to imply that Eiseth was particularly weak among them, it's just that Bernhardt is way too strong.

There's also the question of whether or not every natural level 5 would be as strong as that trio. They could simply be exceptions within level 5s regardless of being natty, or maybe having potential as crazy as theirs is a requirement to becoming a natural level 5 in the first place. So accordingly, if all natty level 5s are that strong that placement is too low, and if the trio are just exceptions then there shouldn't be a difference between them and artificial level 5s.

In any case, I don't see a world where the chosen and natural level 5s are of relative power.

Eisheth couldn't hold back Malik without the help of her daughters, Strength Eaters and Undines during the Battle of Diamonds. She didn't try to fight him afterwards as well. Leaving as soon as he broke out of the prison. Syla was able to use Eisheth true form to attack Indra and it did nothing to him. Then lastly, a suppressed Bernhardt defeated her with ease in her true form.

With that level of showing, it's clear that Eisheth isn't ranked that high among the Chosen. Especially when Ella believed that Aglaecwif could outright end Nyx and Malik during the Battle of Diamonds. So Eisheth would be comparable to the expert Level 5 Superhumans aka the Captains. In her fight with Nico, she needed assistance from Hex or she would've been in the sun. That wouldn't have killed her, but she would've lost. Then it's her comparison to Lexi in and outside of the dream.

Eisheth however dominated Kira and Elijah with no problem. By a large amount at that too. Especially since she didn't use her true form at all for them. So Eisheth would be around the Captains tier. Most "Artificial" Level 5s likely won't be able to beat her without having comparable power or an ability suited to beat her.

As for all of the Chosen not being on par with the Natural Level 5s. That remains to be seen and depends on the Chosen in question. Chosen have the Apostle traits. 2 of the 3 known Nat 5s have lesser traits. Indra, by virtue of being an Apostle Avatar and Chosen, would have to be on par with them. Unless you believe Level 5 Superhumans can beat Apostles. There's also the fact that Valravn, even while weakened, could nullify Nico's powers. Reminder that Valravn dropped from S+ to C+ levels of power and still could stop her power. Aglaecwif has her mysterious language of the void magic or whatever it's called. That's on top of her connection to the Immaterial world.

So, for me, Chosen are above Level 5 Superhumans who haven't had their powers as long and used a serum instead of reaching completion. Which essentially points to majority of the known Level 5s. There's a few exceptions, of course. But I don't see every serum taking Superhuman being capable of beating the Chosen. The reverse is some what true as well. Hence, Chosen are above Level 5 (should've specified that I meant Artificial) and around the same ballpark as Nat 5s.

So with that in mind. They would fall within the Natural Level 5 Superhumans tier, for me. Especially since some Chosen themselves could be Natural Level 5 Superhumans, who failed their 5th Evolution and/or flat out turned into monsters. Syla potentially being an example of this. Hell, for all we know, Indra is actually a Natural Level 5 Althuman. Which is why he was rewarded with being an Avatar of the 2nd.

For the Ella mention about Aglaecwif about being able to end the Captains. It's in her letter.

 

[Nexum768]

MC probably lands around Arbiter tier at the highest by the end. Lowest being Natural Level 5.

As for the Natural Level 5 Superhumans. It's superhumans who evolved naturally while completing their requirements to evolve. Doing it rewards them with gifts in the form of unique abilities or mutations of their powers. It also likely grants a greater amount of internal power and increased power growth as well.


Eisheth couldn't hold back Malik without the help of her daughters, Strength Eaters and Undines during the Battle of Diamonds. She didn't try to fight him afterwards as well. Leaving as soon as he broke out of the prison. Syla was able to use Eisheth true form to attack Indra and it did nothing to him. Then lastly, a suppressed Bernhardt defeated her with ease in her true form.

With that level of showing, it's clear that Eisheth isn't ranked that high among the Chosen. Especially when Ella believed that Aglaecwif could outright end Nyx and Malik during the Battle of Diamonds. So Eisheth would be comparable to the expert Level 5 Superhumans aka the Captains. In her fight with Nico, she needed assistance from Hex or she would've been in the sun. That wouldn't have killed her, but she would've lost. Then it's her comparison to Lexi in and outside of the dream.

Eisheth however dominated Kira and Elijah with no problem. By a large amount at that too. Especially since she didn't use her true form at all for them. So Eisheth would be around the Captains tier. Most "Artificial" Level 5s likely won't be able to beat her without having comparable power or an ability suited to beat her.

As for all of the Chosen not being on par with the Natural Level 5s. That remains to be seen and depends on the Chosen in question. Chosen have the Apostle traits. 2 of the 3 known Nat 5s have lesser traits. Indra, by virtue of being an Apostle Avatar and Chosen, would have to be on par with them. Unless you believe Level 5 Superhumans can beat Apostles. There's also the fact that Valravn, even while weakened, could nullify Nico's powers. Reminder that Valravn dropped from S+ to C+ levels of power and still could stop her power. Aglaecwif has her mysterious language of the void magic or whatever it's called. That's on top of her connection to the Immaterial world.

So, for me, Chosen are above Level 5 Superhumans who haven't had their powers as long and used a serum instead of reaching completion. Which essentially points to majority of the known Level 5s. There's a few exceptions, of course. But I don't see every serum taking Superhuman being capable of beating the Chosen. The reverse is some what true as well. Hence, Chosen are above Level 5 (should've specified that I meant Artificial) and around the same ballpark as Nat 5s.

So with that in mind. They would fall within the Natural Level 5 Superhumans tier, for me. Especially since some Chosen themselves could be Natural Level 5 Superhumans, who failed their 5th Evolution and/or flat out turned into monsters. Syla potentially being an example of this. Hell, for all we know, Indra is actually a Natural Level 5 Althuman. Which is why he was rewarded with being an Avatar of the 2nd.

For the Ella mention about Aglaecwif about being able to end the Captains. It's in her letter.

Valravn prolly would have a field day with every superhuman if he was full power maybe except for a natty but I feel like he'd still win since hes goated...

Eisheth really didnt seem that strong and her being ranked low makes sense since bernhardt wiped her pretty easily not even using his most powerful move n stuff

Honestly im really interested in seeing MC get stronger I have a feeling hes gonna be a monster when he hits his 4th evolution or if the eye does some fuckery with him