VN Ren'Py Superhuman [v0.99999 Beta] [WeirdWorld]

[LusterDemon]

Man, remember when all the Ella haters raged about how "she killed children" (exactly the same age as her) back in the day.
and it was pure speculation that she killed them.

then we find out what happened that year, it wasn't even ella who killed them.
she was literally possessed by a higher entity that called ella a failure and said it will harvest those people as resources to upgrade/fix ella with.
then ella literally stabbed herself (after using willpower to wrench partial control back) to disrupt her evolution/fixing (giving up power in the process) in order to end the possession early to stop it from killing her friend

None of the ella haters who wrote entire essays about how Ella is "literally Hitler" for MuRdErInG ChIlDrEn ever apologized nor admitted they were wrong.
They just pivoted into other excuses for hating her.

I mean Ella IS evil, just not pure evil
Wait, what called a Ella a failure? Is that a high corruption only scene?

 

[Ddlc]

I mean Ella IS evil, just not pure evil
Wait, what called a Ella a failure? Is that a high corruption only scene?

Ella calls herself a failure after reaching her 5 evolution, this happens after her invasion of HERO along with Jake.
The other time it seems Memory considers her a failure after she refuses to kill Christie during the flashback of her high-school massacre.
The reason seems to be because of her lack of skill/development on the memory trait.

 

[SasugaRyzeSama]

Are you having a stroke or something?

Q: "Yes... whether someone is likely lying is completely dependent on the specific situation. Do you not understand how and why people lie, or something?" (This is the only possible thing you could be responding to in the post you quoted when you give "the answer").
A: "If she wouldn't see a human life as worthless, she would not expend the human life seconds prior for 'Wanna see something cool?'"
How in the fuck does that answer my question?

If it's so obvious Ella wasn't lying here, then you can just explain why.

I did, that was a question, to explain it, and I did. As I said, taking pieces of what I write, what you want and what suits you to use. "I care for truth", as proven with manipulation, bravo.

I don't remember exactly what I said about Valravn's rampage so I'll respond to that now.
None of this "she killed innocents!" matters to me if she's killing innocents to save the world. If the world ends, all the innocents die anyway. Since we don't know for sure what her plan is and whether it's necessary, I'm choosing to reserve my judgement.
Maybe someone else said that in response to you, so I didn't feel the need to respond myself.

If it's mental gymnastics then you should be able to point it out, yet over and over you have failed to levy any credible counter argument.

What you did is, in essence, the "I know you are but what am I?" argument.

I accuse you of resorting to evading my points and undermining my character because you have no argument.
(Remember when I levied 6 points in total against your argument that Ella is evil and all you had to say was basically, "well, WW said in a stream that she's evil,"? This is why I say you evade my points and have no argument.)

You then accuse me of basically the same thing, even though only one of those things (undermining your character) is true of me. (And even then, I claim extenuating circumstances, given how you're arguing).

At this point in time there exists no narrative within the game that justifies every bad, petty, cruel or murderous action that Ella did. Nothing in the game, or in her behavior suggests that she would have altruistic reasons for this. And your shutdown of all of her actions that are harm and discord is "You don't know". So do you, it's a non-argument to use, as trading some innocent lives for greater number of them later as non-evil act, Diogenes from Synopa was talking about that. You are not better suited to say that's okay than legendary fucking Greek philosopher, don't even dream about that. But then, it's not even true to begin with, just a wishful thinking.

Based on the available to me info, and my definition of "Evil" as "cruel and devious behavior that brings unnecessary suffering", she is evil, I have all the tools to support that. Maybe it won't be the case, and the future events of the game will verify that, but for now she is. I doubt positive reveal because, funnily still, WW in the same stream as the evil bitch thing stated she is not secretively good and working for benefit of anyone, but maybe he will change his mind. Until proven incorrect, she is just evil, and mine is right to claim that, no amount of trolololo changes that.

 

[Uriel ☁]

The thought that the update may be released ANY DAY now is killing me.

 

[JmTrad]

The thought that the update may be released ANY DAY now is killing me.

Same. Gonna waste some time playing Bloons TD 6 and Civilization 5 while I wait

 

[Grimnir098]

At this point in time there exists no narrative within the game that justifies every bad, petty, cruel or murderous action that Ella did. Nothing in the game, or in her behavior suggests that she would have altruistic reasons for this.

I already provided evidence that she likely has altruistic (although is it really altruistic to save the world?) reasons, but if you're just going to outright pretend I didn't say things that I did, and that I said things I didn't, there's not much point in continuing this with you.

 

[Jonathan Y]

The thought that the update may be released ANY DAY now is killing me.

Same, Imma devote a whole weekend just to binge it.

 

[darkengeobr]

Ella is such an easily killable character

 

[Leasing...]

I already provided evidence that she likely has altruistic (although is it really altruistic to save the world?) reasons, but if you're just going to outright pretend I didn't say things that I did, and that I said things I didn't, there's not much point in continuing this with you.

From what I understand about Ella she doesn't have an altruistic goal, if I remember correctly she states that her plan is aimed at saving who she wants to save, even if in the process she saves people who she doesn't want to save, so is Ella evil? Yes, she does several cruel things unnecessarily. Is she a villain? perhaps, I would call her an anti-hero since her goal is "good" and she acts based on her interests. if what she claims is true, which we cannot claim as certain.

 

[Grimnir098]

From what I understand about Ella she doesn't have an altruistic goal, if I remember correctly she states that her plan is aimed at saving who she wants to save, even if in the process she saves people who she doesn't want to save, so is Ella evil? Yes, she does several cruel things unnecessarily. Is she a villain? perhaps, I would call her an anti-hero since her goal is "good" and she acts based on her interests. if what she claims is true, which we cannot claim as certain.

Yes, that's why I questioned if it was an altruistic goal. I went with it because I'd already made it clear what her goal is so I assumed he just thought saving the world is an altruistic goal.

 

[harem.king]

I mean Ella IS evil, just not pure evil
Wait, what called a Ella a failure? Is that a high corruption only scene?

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The other time it seems Memory considers her a failure after she refuses to kill Christie during the flashback of her high-school massacre.

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[Ddlc]

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My interpretation is that this was a mix of evolution trance (we have examples of people going nuts during it) with possesion by either Body or Memory (voices are show speaking in Ella's place, from what i remember she even tells them to shut up).
However her not killing anyone is a stretch, since she was at least somewhat conscious and in control even before finding Christie, and it seems she knew what was supposed to happen there and accepted the plan regardless.
Now as for if it is justifiable to kill at least dozens of innocent people to (apparently) awaken her memory powers and thus reach whatever her goal is, i will wait for more information.

 

[Nexum768]

I had a dream the game was updated and then I woke up.

 

[hatake_Kakashi]

Man, remember when all the Ella simps raged about how "she didn't killed children" (exactly the same age as her) back in the day.
and it was pure speculation that she didn't killed them.

then we find out what happened that year, it was ella who killed them.
she was literally not possessed by a higher entity beforehand that called ella a failure and said it will harvest those people as resources to upgrade/fix ella with. Something she knew before hand
then ella only stabbed herself (after not trying at all) to disrupt her evolution/fixing (giving up power in the process) in order to end the possession early to stop it from killing only her friend and no one else

None of the ella simps who wrote entire essays about how Ella is "literally jesus" for sTaNDiNG uP to the bIG bAD possessor ever stop dick riding nor admitted they were wrong.
They just pivoted into other excuses to not blame her for being there in the first place.

sauce for ur pfp?

 

[SasugaRyzeSama]

I already provided evidence that she likely has altruistic (although is it really altruistic to save the world?) reasons, but if you're just going to outright pretend I didn't say things that I did, and that I said things I didn't, there's not much point in continuing this with you.

Clues not evidence (possible vs certain), but ok.

 

[Wensber]

Ugh, I fucked up. I usually keep 2-3 saves to be safe but mistakenly thought it was safe to shift my saves forward. Now my latest save is in the Cole fight on the "Slow and reliable" vs "Fast and Risk" screen and all roads lead to death. Rewinding doesn't go far back enough for a decision and I have no idea anyway how far back I'd need to go to fix whatever it was I did to fuck up.

Man I'm stupid sometimes. Should've known better than to overwrite the save at the start of the fight before the fight was over.

This story is great but also so damn long. I don't know if I have it in me to restart. Ah well.

 

[KingAgamemnon]

Ugh, I fucked up. I usually keep 2-3 saves to be safe but mistakenly thought it was safe to shift my saves forward. Now my latest save is in the Cole fight on the "Slow and reliable" vs "Fast and Risk" screen and all roads lead to death. Rewinding doesn't go far back enough for a decision and I have no idea anyway how far back I'd need to go to fix whatever it was I did to fuck up.

Man I'm stupid sometimes. Should've known better than to overwrite the save at the start of the fight before the fight was over.

This story is great but also so damn long. I don't know if I have it in me to restart. Ah well.

i have something around 30 pages worth of saves. Always make back-ups.

Also as a side note, you can skip to the next choice by shift clicking on the skip button. So instead of speeding through the text with ctrl, you can just immediately jump to the next choice.

 

[EXZOTRON]

Ugh, I fucked up. I usually keep 2-3 saves to be safe but mistakenly thought it was safe to shift my saves forward. Now my latest save is in the Cole fight on the "Slow and reliable" vs "Fast and Risk" screen and all roads lead to death. Rewinding doesn't go far back enough for a decision and I have no idea anyway how far back I'd need to go to fix whatever it was I did to fuck up.

Man I'm stupid sometimes. Should've known better than to overwrite the save at the start of the fight before the fight was over.

This story is great but also so damn long. I don't know if I have it in me to restart. Ah well.

How about autosave ?

 

[Grimnir098]

Clues not evidence (possible vs certain), but ok.

That's an entirely made up distinction.
Evidence: "the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid."

But at any rate, it's more 'clues' than you came up with.

 

[Snugglepuff]

To be fair Grimnir098 clues and evidence are not the same thing.
Clues are indirect hints that may turn out to be evidence after being proven, whilst evidence is concrete/factual/proof.