VN Ren'Py Superhuman [v0.99999b] [WeirdWorld]

[KingAgamemnon]

Order, Evolution, and Infinity.
Soul, Paradox, and Chaos.

I was thinking about the hierarchy of God > Outer Twins > Arbiters > Apostles, and I've been trying to see how the two sets of Arbiters work together. So Order, Evolution and Infinity feel like properties of the world as it currently exists, if that makes sense. If you interpret Order as being the laws of physics, evolution being change, and infinity as describing the dimensions of reality, then we could say that the first Outer Twin embodies properties of the universe as it currently exists.

The second arbiter sort of feels like things that necessarily exist outside of reality. Paradox, representing incompatible states of being, Chaos representing the primordial nothingness before creation and after heat death, and I guess technically Soul counts? We've never actually seen any confirmation that an afterlife exists, so perhaps it doesn't? All we know is that a part of you can persist within the memory world, but this isn't meant as a proper afterlife since it decays the longer it stays there. So I suppose Souls intend to fade away into nothingness after death.

So perhaps we're looking at Is vs Is Not, or Something vs Nothing, or Existence vs Nonexistence.

Granted, these don't fit as neatly together as the arbiters did for the apostles, but there might be something there. Or we could be off base with our assumptions of the cosmic hierarchy, which is also possible but I find it less than likely, if only because of the strong correlations between the Apostles, Arbiters and God. Given separating into smaller more specialized demigods seems to be a pattern, the idea of the Outer Twins being an in-between step between God and the Arbiters makes a lot of sense imo.

 

[SasugaRyzeSama]

I wonder, where will the mc's body powers go from here? Just increase in sheer mass? He's learning more malleability from Ella but there seems to be a limitation in how much more oomph he can get aside from raw power. I guess the arbiter bad ends kinda show off some possible feats, like compressing a mountain's worth of matter into a blade

He could do insanely crazy and powerful things if he had in-depth knowledge about what he is doing, even now. Right now Mc is mostly going by gut feeling and mimicking what he absorbed, but really, sky's the limit, and some transformations would be insanely power-effective (I assume) for their effect. Just some examples that come to my mind, from less to more impactful:

• Transforming some powerful magnets to shield from metallic projectiles/accelerate his harpoons - railgun isn't really a Deryl-only thing.
• Transforming superconductors on his armor, some thin lines on top of it. Why? Well, they will still be suspectible to his weakness to electricity, but most electric attack would "flow" through those specifically (you know, resistance and all), limiting the damage to his body.
• Transforming to exceptionally radioactive materials, kind of a slow burn and double-edged thing, but pretty much no one could 1. protect themselves from it 2. Heal from it. Radiate some guy with 10 chernobyl's worth for a minute and just leave, even superhumans would be hard pressed to not fall apart from that with time, they still have DNA that can be fucked with (at least MC had as level 1).
• Miniaturization. Go Bacteria mode on someone's ass and fuck them from inside -and right now MC can imbue memories to effectively hard-code what that bacteria form would do, like emitting poisons and whatnot.
• All he's been doing, but greater density, so potentially greater final output, like with the Arbiter.
• Loooong tentacles, really long so he won't oneshot himself, and then change their tips exposed to air, just a quarter of a gram would be exceptionally effective. To what exactly? Antimatter.
• Make armor from whatever gravastars are made. Pretty much indestructible, with added benefit that after MC make it, it's on and does not need more power to sustain itself, like the Ella's invulnerability. On the con side, he'll probably weight around as much as a planet, and if it's cracked somehow, he'll probably be crushed by it's internal collapse.

 

[shujuku]

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ITS ALL ABOUT HARD WORK! HE CANT BE LAZY AND HAS TO PUT IN THE DEDICATION, HOURS, BLOOD, SWEAT AND TEARS! THERE IS ONLY HARD WORK AND WINNERS!

 

[DrakoGhoul]

The first Outer Twin is potentially Fate. At least, that's been my theory for a while now. If you look at the properties of all of the powers below it and the fact that the Origin itself said Fate provides. You can form a sort of line. If higher beings are formed based off of aspects of reality and emanate from a singular god. Then Fate, if it's a thing, would likely be an actual being.

First Outer Twin = Fate

1st Arbiter -

Order (Authority + Power)

2nd Arbiter -

Evolution (Body + Memory)

3rd Arbiter -

Infinity (Time + Space)

Only one that I can't think of definitively is the 2nd Outer Twin. Since just like the 6 later half of Apostles and 3 Arbiters, it's hard to conjure what they could represent. At such a high level, they're likely not dualistic anymore or opposing. They're likely systems that make all of existence on all levels function. Something that Fate does. I guess you could throw out Karma for the other Outer Twin, but I feel like Cause and Effect would be a bit too high. So for now, the second Outer Twin is a total mystery.

Also, a bit to keep in mind is that there's things beyond the Outer Spheres of the Universe and there might not actually be a singular god. For all we know, God could be some random low level mage somewhere who's having a bit of fun with his magic. Especially when Two Parasites seem to be an issue according to Valravn. Who we know came from beyond the universe via Ella.

 

[KKStrider]

He could do insanely crazy and powerful things if he had in-depth knowledge about what he is doing, even now. Right now Mc is mostly going by gut feeling and mimicking what he absorbed, but really, sky's the limit, and some transformations would be insanely power-effective (I assume) for their effect. Just some examples that come to my mind, from less to more impactful:

• Transforming some powerful magnets to shield from metallic projectiles/accelerate his harpoons - railgun isn't really a Deryl-only thing.
• Transforming superconductors on his armor, some thin lines on top of it. Why? Well, they will still be suspectible to his weakness to electricity, but most electric attack would "flow" through those specifically (you know, resistance and all), limiting the damage to his body.
• Transforming to exceptionally radioactive materials, kind of a slow burn and double-edged thing, but pretty much no one could 1. protect themselves from it 2. Heal from it. Radiate some guy with 10 chernobyl's worth for a minute and just leave, even superhumans would be hard pressed to not fall apart from that with time, they still have DNA that can be fucked with (at least MC had as level 1).
• Miniaturization. Go Bacteria mode on someone's ass and fuck them from inside -and right now MC can imbue memories to effectively hard-code what that bacteria form would do, like emitting poisons and whatnot.
• All he's been doing, but greater density, so potentially greater final output, like with the Arbiter.
• Loooong tentacles, really long so he won't oneshot himself, and then change their tips exposed to air, just a quarter of a gram would be exceptionally effective. To what exactly? Antimatter.
• Make armor from whatever gravastars are made. Pretty much indestructible, with added benefit that after MC make it, it's on and does not need more power to sustain itself, like the Ella's invulnerability. On the con side, he'll probably weight around as much as a planet, and if it's cracked somehow, he'll probably be crushed by it's internal collapse.

A lot of these suggestions either would belong in another person's powerset, would be ineffective or would outright be impossible with the MC's powerset. He can't make anything, just organic and select inorganic materials found in the human body. Even his Heavy Armour, explicitly made from Valravn's memories, is actually supernaturally enhanced steel.

Magnets, superconductors of any kind and radioactive material are definitely outside of his scope. Making the first two would necessitate manipulation of electrons to create and maintain (especially the superconductor one), and the last would require control over electrons, neutrons and protons to pull off. All of these require subatomic levels of control, and the MC's only been demonstrated to have atomic levels of control if he has a memory to guide him. There are some materials commonly found in the body like C-14, K-40, and Rd-266. However, not only is only the lattermost one dangerous, they're all obtained through ingestion rather than being present under regular circumstances, so I'm not sure they'd count as one of the materials the MC could generate.

Gravastars, on the other hand, are more likely to be an Alice thing, since she actually can manipulate dark energy. Though even that might be an idea that needs to be discarded, as the superhuman world seems to use the more accepted black hole theory anyway.

I doubt that the literal opposite of matter falls in the realm of "organic or inorganic material naturally found in the human body", but even then I'd imagine that's a Level 5 ability. If not because of how complicated making the complete opposite of regular matter sounds, then because I can only imagine trying to make something that'd instantaneously react with the yield of a nuclear bomb, or even more if you have the most miniscule lapse of control, could only lead to an immediate Dead End before that.

The only valid ideas here might be miniaturisation and density manipulation. The latter's already been done, though the former would kind of be a terrible idea. If a normal person's immune system can tear apart parasites despite them utterly dwarfing the white blood cells, I can't imagine what a supernatural creature's would do. Even then, it might trigger something beyond a regular immune response - a violent reaction from the host's powers due to a foreign MP source being present within their body. Best stick to applying stuff like that externally instead of going full Osmosis Jones. A more practical idea that would perform the same function as miniaturisation would be the MC's liquid state, since he can feed it memories to generate attacks once he's inside.

 

[BenoTF25]

Someone mentioned before that the MC could probably transform into plasma once he hit level four, since despite being very volatile, molecules on that state of matter are actually very close to each other.

That would actually be a good power, probably like a Mini-Malik or something, expanding to a town sized cloud of hyper heated plasma would do crazy damage

 

[BenoTF25]

The first Outer Twin is potentially Fate. At least, that's been my theory for a while now. If you look at the properties of all of the powers below it and the fact that the Origin itself said Fate provides. You can form a sort of line. If higher beings are formed based off of aspects of reality and emanate from a singular god. Then Fate, if it's a thing, would likely be an actual being.

First Outer Twin = Fate

1st Arbiter -

Order (Authority + Power)

2nd Arbiter -

Evolution (Body + Memory)

3rd Arbiter -

Infinity (Time + Space)

Only one that I can't think of definitively is the 2nd Outer Twin. Since just like the 6 later half of Apostles and 3 Arbiters, it's hard to conjure what they could represent. At such a high level, they're likely not dualistic anymore or opposing. They're likely systems that make all of existence on all levels function. Something that Fate does. I guess you could throw out Karma for the other Outer Twin, but I feel like Cause and Effect would be a bit too high. So for now, the second Outer Twin is a total mystery.

Also, a bit to keep in mind is that there's things beyond the Outer Spheres of the Universe and there might not actually be a singular god. For all we know, God could be some random low level mage somewhere who's having a bit of fun with his magic. Especially when Two Parasites seem to be an issue according to Valravn. Who we know came from beyond the universe via Ella.

Yeah, we pretty much know as a fact that the universe of Superhuman(and with universe I think is safe to say we also refer to the different spheres of reality) is not all there is, Ella herself as you mentioned, talked bout a specific type of 'Gods' that are basically Alien Existences that come from other place, so those could be as powerful as W.W might want, be it as weak as a Natural Level five(not saying that Hero Trio is weak, but we are talking about deities here) to potentially be stronger than the Apostles, since Val seem to hate them, hence the Lord of Dark also see them as a danger, probably, but is seriously dobut this hypothetical 'God' that divided itself would be some random on the larger scale of things, I mean, for some reason those Alien Gods are parasites, they couldn't simply create their own universes, having to invade the making of other.

 

[DrakoGhoul]

Yeah, we pretty much know as a fact that the universe of Superhuman(and with universe I think is safe to say we also refer to the different spheres of reality) is not all there is, Ella herself as you mentioned, talked bout a specific type of 'Gods' that are basically Alien Existences that come from other place, so those could be as powerful as W.W might want, be it as weak as a Natural Level five(not saying that Hero Trio is weak, but we are talking about deities here) to potentially be stronger than the Apostles, since Val seem to hate them, hence the Lord of Dark also see them as a danger, probably, but is seriously dobut this hypothetical 'God' that divided itself would be some random on the larger scale of things, I mean, for some reason those Alien Gods are parasites, they couldn't simply create their own universes, having to invade the making of other.

Thing is, God is still only a theory in the first place. A good one, I might add, as someone that contributed to it over the years. But it's still not concrete.

As for the Parasites, it's not about creating a universe. That's not their objective and who's to say they didn't do it outside of creation anyway? Hell, for all we know, the Outer Twins could be the two Parasites in the first place. But besides that, their goal is the connection that comes from evolution. With Valravn implying that said parasites are the ones that gave monsters the instincts to pass on their power.

 

[KingAgamemnon]

A lot of these suggestions either would belong in another person's powerset, would be ineffective or would outright be impossible with the MC's powerset. He can't make anything, just organic and select inorganic materials found in the human body. Even his Heavy Armour, explicitly made from Valravn's memories, is actually supernaturally enhanced steel.

Magnets, superconductors of any kind and radioactive material are definitely outside of his scope. Making the first two would necessitate manipulation of electrons to create and maintain (especially the superconductor one), and the last would require control over electrons, neutrons and protons to pull off. All of these require subatomic levels of control, and the MC's only been demonstrated to have atomic levels of control if he has a memory to guide him. There are some materials commonly found in the body like C-14, K-40, and Rd-266. However, not only is only the lattermost one dangerous, they're all obtained through ingestion rather than being present under regular circumstances, so I'm not sure they'd count as one of the materials the MC could generate.

Gravastars, on the other hand, are more likely to be an Alice thing, since she actually can manipulate dark energy. Though even that might be an idea that needs to be discarded, as the superhuman world seems to use the more accepted black hole theory anyway.

I doubt that the literal opposite of matter falls in the realm of "organic or inorganic material naturally found in the human body", but even then I'd imagine that's a Level 5 ability. If not because of how complicated making the complete opposite of regular matter sounds, then because I can only imagine trying to make something that'd instantaneously react with the yield of a nuclear bomb, or even more if you have the most miniscule lapse of control, could only lead to an immediate Dead End before that.

The only valid ideas here might be miniaturisation and density manipulation. The latter's already been done, though the former would kind of be a terrible idea. If a normal person's immune system can tear apart parasites despite them utterly dwarfing the white blood cells, I can't imagine what a supernatural creature's would do. Even then, it might trigger something beyond a regular immune response - a violent reaction from the host's powers due to a foreign MP source being present within their body. Best stick to applying stuff like that externally instead of going full Osmosis Jones. A more practical idea that would perform the same function as miniaturisation would be the MC's liquid state, since he can feed it memories to generate attacks once he's inside.

Xanthe pointed out specifically that Level 4 is where those sorts of things tend to stop mattering. "...Some power that only worked on organic things can now work on inorganic things."

 

[GodOfAll]

One of the easiest things to imagine is that he can always use "air" as a medium. This effectively gives him infinite range while on the planet.

Another one would be programmable matter. He can shoot off small parts that transform the opponent once they hit them, like a bullet that once it touches the enemy will start to turn the enemy to glass.

Also better mind control abilities. Really you can asspull any powers you want. If you have matter manipulation and mind manipulation you can essentially do everything, it's just a question of how much power the character in question has.

I think that eventually he will just have some bullshit reality warping at level 5. He can just "create" new matter from his body that doesn't follow the laws of reality, or at least has new properties.

 

[obibobi]

I remember that but I'm unclear as to how that will manifest. We don't see Ella really put that into action herself, at least in a demonstrative way, aside from the 'immutable' property she expends energy to maintain when Malik tries to roast her. Most of her combat is similar to MC's except she focuses more on rapid transformations than a single powerful form.

That idea was important, it went from change as a power, to change as a concept, Ella's invincibility was basically saying to the universe, I have power over change, and I refuse to do so.

Although you still need be careful of going too abstract, a major factor in enjoying these fights is that you can draw an identity from the powers. You see the MC train with his powers and then use them, he may use existing powers in new ways, but he's not pulling new abilities out of his ass, he suddenly doesn't gain a dragons firebreathing.

I think the next stop is going to be a focus on his dual nature and they've laid the groundwork, shape change will take advantage of memory by having parts work not just independently but with intelligence, so much emphasis has been placed on how his spine has been able to do that and of course using memory as a distraction but with more skill and practice.

 

[RudeFist]

He could do insanely crazy and powerful things if he had in-depth knowledge about what he is doing, even now. Right now Mc is mostly going by gut feeling and mimicking what he absorbed, but really, sky's the limit, and some transformations would be insanely power-effective (I assume) for their effect. Just some examples that come to my mind, from less to more impactful:

I wonder if he can really do all that, even with knowledge, because it seems to somewhat infringe upon Creation territory at that point. Body stuff seems to be somewhat more constrained in regard to what complex structures you can make, and even though you would think that lvl 4's deviation from laws of nature and greater control would allow that logically, it wouldn't make sense narratively.

 

[Komdot]

On my two routes I hate Ella, she's very annoying, I admire anyone who's a fan of hers.

 

[Krytax123]

On my two routes I hate Ella, she's very annoying, I admire anyone who's a fan of hers.

Its not your fault to have a bad taste!

 

[Kateer]

I was liking this game, until it decides that the twin is now a fusion, because apparently the fanboy wants a dbz craze. Fuck this game.

Edit: Anyone had been through the game? Does it eventually undo the fusion bullshit? If not, I'd just drop it; instead of sitting through this bullshit for no payoff.

 

[txe320]

I was liking this game, until it decides that the twin is now a fusion, because apparently the fanboy wants a dbz craze. Fuck this game.

Edit: Anyone had been through the game? Does it eventually undo the fusion bullshit? If not, I'd just drop it; instead of sitting through this bullshit for no payoff.

You know the game isn't finished right?

You know MC and Deryl talk about that in game too right?

So, to answer your question about the fusion; we don't know yet because it just happened like a minute ago story wise. We'll know in the future.

 

[Blaze_Lumini]

On my two routes I hate Ella, she's very annoying, I admire anyone who's a fan of hers.

I will say early-game Ella is far more antagonistic than late-game Ella. I'd like to say it's due to her opening up a little bit as the MC grows more competent and unlocks more of his memories, but honestly, it is more likely due to WW not having a clear vision early on of what he wanted their relationship to be long term.

Hell, an early-on dead end has her killing the MC for just displaying his ability to make poison tentacles from genetic memories, something she couldn't do, thus proving that he was "perfect" from the beginning. That DE completely goes against what we know of her agenda AND her personal hopes/feelings toward the MC.

While her early-on antagonism does play its intended part in strengthening the MC, we are shown very little of Ella having a hidden soft side for the MC. Something WW seemingly tried to rectify later on with memory callbacks and a few in-person scenes.

 

[Kateer]

You know the game isn't finished right?

You know MC and Deryl talk about that in game too right?

So, to answer your question about the fusion; we don't know yet because it just happened like a minute ago story wise. We'll know in the future.

A not yet would have been suffice. But sure, thanks for saving me the time to sit through the rest of it.

 

[Netao_Da_Caxixola]

A not yet would have been suffice. But sure, thanks for saving me the time to sit through the rest of it.

Bye

 

[KingAgamemnon]

Does anybody know what WW considers arcs? Cause I had reopened the game to check some stuff, and totally forgot that the ending scrawl before the bump to title screen says the next update starts the next and final arc of the game. Does he consider a whole evolution segment an arc, or just the traditional "this is the mafia arc, this is the twins arc" etc.?