VN Ren'Py Superhuman [v0.99999b] [WeirdWorld]

[Dark479]

What I was saying is that a normal natural level 5 might be very different to what the big three are. If a natural level 5 is to be claimed by an apostle, it makes no sense that they'd separate from them, or whatever actually happens.

Henri, a natural level 5, and possible inheritor to Paradox, is rejecting his origin. Berny and Malik, H.E.R.O's only other documentation on natural level 5s, achieved theirs in the same way.

Meanwhile, a level 5's purpose, according to Ella, is to signal to the apostles that the superhuman is "ready". This is contradictory, hence why I think that Henri, Berny, and Malik are not normal level 5s, and that since they're H.E.R.O's only example of a natural level 5's, they think this is normal.

Which, by the way, we know is false. Eisheth considered Berny to be something that shouldn't exist, so I doubt someone like that would be the result of the normal, intended evolution procedure.

Meanwhile, an artificial level 5, like Ella, is still capable of being a Chosen, so at the very least, she's likely capable of being claimed as a vessel, at least eventually.

Well we only know the patron would try to claim a superhuman that reaches a natural 5th evolution...but that might be the danger of it and why there are only 3 who survived it. We were warned that attempting is dangerous. But serum 5th evolutions are probably not true evolutions or at least not good enough for the monster patrons as serum 5ths are safe...monsters don't care about them. Which likely has to do with serum 5th evolutions being far weaker than natural 5ths.

 

[corewen]

Exactly!! This has been a year long exopsiton dump and I'm not happy. The expositon with his mom while he was in Shey's world took an insane amount of time, we get out and are completely blue balled when it was supposed to be a fight with Cole and it turns out no evoluton and no resolution with cole. We are then shot into the monster world where we again get everyone else getting their own story lines that we don't actually play. And I've say here and taken it one update after update and the MC doesn't do anything. The best part was when you had to pay the dump in Power for the parts, now that was the slap in the face knowing or in this case not knowing when the evolution would happen and how much power we would need.


I am not in anyway shape or form staying that the story is bad. I'm not really sick of becoming a after thought of the game I'm playing. The MC is us and spending this insane amount of time where he is not the best of his pack isn't worth the insane amount of exposition that isn't paid off off except to my pals is inane. Pleast I beg of you, to start cleaning up all the story lines that literally go way way back in time.

 

[LusterDemon]

WW has reveled in a semi lore drop in celebration for the updates release that apparently Maliks and Bernhardt monsters are related/brothers. He also reveled their monsters traits:

Maliks monster - Truth/Fantasy/Power.

Bernhardt monster - Truth/Fantasy/Space.

Where are the truth and fantasy parts reflected in their powers?

 

[OnlineRando]

Where are the truth and fantasy parts reflected in their powers?

Truth is just controlling things, so that's simple. Each of them controls a certain aspect, being fire and air.

Fantasy is a little more contrived, but maybe, together with truth, it makes their control over their thing conceptual rather than literal. It is a stretch, but it would explain how Berny could condense air to the point "the laws that govern all things break down".

Alternatively, the combination could allow him to do that because it makes truth and fantasy create Paradox, which might make their abilities capable of causing paradoxes and impossibilities (like condensing air to the point of planck pressure), though that should be possible for any superhuman at the fourth level and above, that possesses enough power.

Ether/space and power give their power their natures. Air, as an element, is often associated with space and travel, while fire is often associated with power and energy.

 

[chuck899]

Remind me, is the MC's 3rd evolution "natural" or not, since he evolved thanks to monster Daryl's blood and body parts?

 

[obibobi]

Fantasy is a little more contrived, but maybe, together with truth, it makes their control over their thing conceptual rather than literal. It is a stretch, but it would explain how Berny could condense air to the point "the laws that govern all things break down".

You get that regardless when you reach a certain point, Ella's power went from changing shape as a power to changing as an idea, in a straight power match she should have been fried instantly by Malak so she instead makes herself unchangeable, a thematic use of changing.

 

[OnlineRando]

You get that regardless when you reach a certain point, Ella's power went from changing shape as a power to changing as an idea, in a straight power match she should have been fried instantly by Malak so she instead makes herself unchangeable, a thematic use of changing.

I literally mentioned that

 

[obibobi]

I literally mentioned that

Your comment makes a point about how they may have fantasy and truth for it, I'm just clarifying that they where never needed at all for that.

Remind me, is the MC's 3rd evolution "natural" or not, since he evolved thanks to monster Daryl's blood and body parts?

Most likely, the basis for all the true evolutions seem to be being at the top of your current evolution and being pushed further in some way, either through trauma, pushing your powers, fighting the influence of monster blood, or simply surviving. The MC didn't simply get blood and evolve, he had to struggle against it.

This is all just fan theory right now but it makes sense that if you remove some of the risk, the risk an artificial evolution hasn't gone through, they haven't overcome the challenge that was expected of them.

 

[7rNEK]

Huh... Jupiter and Earth are name-dropped. Considering that literally no place names, no countries, no cultural references were given through the story, I thought the story took place on another Earth-like planet.

 

[Dark479]

Remind me, is the MC's 3rd evolution "natural" or not, since he evolved thanks to monster Daryl's blood and body parts?

No. It was triggered by a sort of serum made of monster blood that monster Deryl had intended to use on himself. But lower level evolutions aren't really the important ones...only the 5th is the one that is a make or break thing...the 5th is the one that is important to be natural as we see a vast power difference between the big 3 who achieved natural 5th evolutions and the serum induced 5ths. The 5th is also hugely important because a superhuman can no longer evolve after that so inducing the 5th via serum makes achieving it naturally impossible...but natural 5ths are incredibly dangerous for reasons that we don't know yet but most likely relates to controlling or binding to some other entity as the big 3 appear to be, and those entities are likely the sources of their vastly higher powers too.

 

[TheShelly]

Huh... Jupiter and Earth are name-dropped. Considering that literally no place names, no countries, no cultural references were given through the story, I thought the story took place on another Earth-like planet.

The story does take place on Earth, just not our Earth. If you were a dinosaur/palenontolgy nerd as a kid like me, you would take note that the 2 continents making up the SH world are called Laurasia and Gondwana, which at one point in time were actual continents on our earth tracing back some 800 million years that collided to create Pangaea before fragmenting again and having Laurasia itself split off from Gondwana about 175 million years ago which means that Superhuman could possibly take place in between the Late Triassic period and the Late Cretaceous period.

TLDR = Where the Superhuman Dinosaurs at?

 

[Juan96]

I think the MC's powers are particularly hard to imagine how they could develop into something stronger. He's dependent on what the writer gives him in a way that other characters' aren't. Which I know sounds weird, they're all dependent on what the writer lets them do, but hear me out. Most of the characters' powers are self-contained. They source only from themselves and how they've developed them. That makes it conceivable how they'd get stronger. They'll do what they're currently doing, but more powerful and with more finesse and maybe some more creative applications. It's easy to think of ways Alice could direct her growth, for example. Better barriers, more space-warping, golems like Danu and Aos have, etc.

But the MC's powers are based on something external to him. He has to work with what biology he's found to copy. Like, if he wants to improve his blades, he can't really develop that on his own. He doesn't have the fine control. He has to find something that has better blades than what he's working with, and if he can't, too bad for him. He doesn't get to have better blades. And it's not like we have a compendium of every monster in the setting and every potentially useful biological trait they possess, so the MC's potential growth is kind of a blank space. We don't know what he might someday be capable of, which since his foes have well-defined feats of power to compare him to, makes it hard to think he'd ever reach them.

I believe that in addition to improving his skills through training and gathering useful information to improve his body and powers, the MC must focus on the plan that Bramon Xanthe had to improve his body, the MC needs to collect compatible organs and thus replace his organs with those of monsters, if I'm not mistaken the MC already has the heart and lungs of his body changed to those of a monster and this has already greatly improved his power.

 

[Abraxas!!!!]

Remind me, is the MC's 3rd evolution "natural" or not, since he evolved thanks to monster Daryl's blood and body parts?

Yes, what mc basically got hit with is an unfiltered evo serum.

 

[OnlineRando]

I believe that in addition to improving his skills through training and gathering useful information to improve his body and powers, the MC must focus on the plan that Bramon Xanthe had to improve his body, the MC needs to collect compatible organs and thus replace his organs with those of monsters, if I'm not mistaken the MC already has the heart and lungs of his body changed to those of a monster and this has already greatly improved his power.

That, and just working on improving his own biology in general. Stuff like making his muscles denser, able to contract faster, make the body better structured, remove dependencies like blood, food, and air, improving the material his cells are made of, and many, many more things.

Granted, it would be harder and take more time for him to do than it would for Ella, but I seriously doubt he's actually incapable of doing these things.

By understanding biology and practicing super minute transformations, he could not only change stuff like his organs, but also mix and match stuff to be more efficient and powerful, as well as invent stuff from scratch/via inspiration from these things.

This kind of power is literally the most developable kind of power IMO. MC just isn't really practicing it like that.

 

[Juan96]

I have felt the last 2 updates while very entertaining was like trying to build up to something for the MC and the rest, instead we had Alice as a Monster, Daryl wishing it was a monster still, Micheal just evolving and nothing to add. Amber some how having a crush on Micheal and thinking that she doesn't hold any power at all and the MC... Not really doing shit all the entire time in the monster world and I really wish I could see where this is headed but the bloated past year of the MC basically learning his memory ebility which doesn't hold my attentino like the entirity of his being on the real world, interacting into the real world. We didn't get any fight with Shay or the Twins that ended with anything. We didn't get any satisfaction from Cole's fight, Jared didn't even fight and Ella has been gone since before moster world when she was supposed to be the bees knees and then she dies and we get a doll? Seriously? We are not getting any real satifaction for very real enemies and I guess I'm justs sad that it is yet again gonna be 3 or 4 months before anything can be done with the lengthy row of people the MC as dates of detiny with and I'm starting to get concerned that they are just gonna be left laying about. I'm bummed.

I'm a few updates behind and haven't gotten to the content of this new update yet, but what do you mean by Amber somehow having a crush on Micheal? Is this something from the NTR route?

 

[Juan96]

I'm a few updates behind and haven't gotten to the content of this new update yet, but what do you mean by Amber somehow having a crush on Micheal? Is this something from the NTR route?

Because if it is, it will be a relief, I ran away from that damn NTR route precisely to avoid seeing this type of situation.

 

[OnlineRando]

I'm a few updates behind and haven't gotten to the content of this new update yet, but what do you mean by Amber somehow having a crush on Micheal? Is this something from the NTR route?

Maybe this happens if you don't romance her, but in my playthrough she never mentioned anything about having a crush on him. She does seem attached to him, more than basically anyone in the group bar Liz and MC, but there really isn't any implication for that sort of stuff beyond that.

 

[Juan96]

That, and just working on improving his own biology in general. Stuff like making his muscles denser, able to contract faster, make the body better structured, remove dependencies like blood, food, and air, improving the material his cells are made of, and many, many more things.

Granted, it would be harder and take more time for him to do than it would for Ella, but I seriously doubt he's actually incapable of doing these things.

By understanding biology and practicing super minute transformations, he could not only change stuff like his organs, but also mix and match stuff to be more efficient and powerful, as well as invent stuff from scratch/via inspiration from these things.

This kind of power is literally the most developable kind of power IMO. MC just isn't really practicing it like that.

This plan by Bramon Xanthe is simply brilliant and very effective, it's a shame that the MC completely forgot to continue improving in this way.

 

[JicioJ]

This plan by Bramon Xanthe is simply brilliant and very effective, it's a shame that the MC completely forgot to continue improving in this way.

As it's been said before, he already got a new heart and lungs, and Deryl seems to be the one checking out if there are compatible better organs from monsters, they may just not be that common to be compatible with his human form. I don't think Ella's way of modifying herself was the same also.

 

[RudeFist]

Just finished the update, this is a perfect place to leave off for a long wait until 1.0 imo. The cliffhanger is very mild, because its just a chaotic situation instead of the beginning of a duel. The MC didn't get much in the way of trials, fighting, training, or evolving, (just events for draining power and one for regaining a bunch), so I don't feel like I'm particularly salivating for him to flex newfound abilities. Nothing we didn't already know is happening on Earth, and we haven't seen the perspectives of any of our friends there. Michael being pulled into the sky was a whole update ago and there's nothing you can do for him at this point so there's less tension there as well.

I'm perfectly fine waiting until, say, December, for the undoubtedly long task of redoing early art and adding more story to boot to be complete.