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I dont know where you all are getting this whole, "The Alderman family kidnaps, rapes and kills kids" shit from. Alice directly states that most of their businesses are legitimate these days. Their only illegal revenue routes are stated to be from drugs and prostitution. Sure, they kill people, especially Alice, but what fucking criminal org doesnt? As for the alleged rape, considering her personal history I dont believe she would let shit like that fly easily in an org she is supposed to be leading.
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How strong is a superhuman during Evolution High? In Battle of Diamond, the 4th states that a 300-power MC can win against a 900-power Cole. Is it some kind of future foresight, or is the buff really just that strong?
 

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How strong is a superhuman during Evolution High? In Battle of Diamond, the 4th states that a 300-power MC can win against a 900-power Cole. Is it some kind of future foresight, or is the buff really just that strong?
Mc said to Deryl that he was believing being stronger now (so around 700-800 when he said that) than he was during his trance back then,but the trance isnt just about more power , it's also about the maximisation of knowledge and power. (like the scythe for example, he was able to use it during his trance but not after for some time)

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So yes the boost is quite strong in more way than one and mc probably could have win back then too since he was able to win with a gap to 400 power during their fight, and Cole was also weaker than he was during his fight against mc since a few month passed after Diamond battle (even if we take a low estimation and we assume that mc in a trance back then could have been similar to 400-500 (so 100-200 more power) and Cole had let say around 800 (100 less), it would have been quite similar to their first fight.)
 
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How strong is a superhuman during Evolution High? In Battle of Diamond, the 4th states that a 300-power MC can win against a 900-power Cole. Is it some kind of future foresight, or is the buff really just that strong?
I agree with kibaris. With the trance letting him operate at maximum capacity, the MC would have actually have been able to combo Cole to hell and back. I have doubts the trance would have let him use advanced Memory-based powers like Memory Lock: Liquid early, and Cole still wouldn't make it easy, but dropping him would be very much doable.

Cole's lack of skill and versatility for his level would do him in, and he wouldn't have his knife to cover for it during the Battle of Diamonds. Body Heat is inefficient outside of short range, meaning he's stuck with short range heat rays and Head Bursts. He'd have no effective way to keep the MC out of the air, have a much shorter window to shoot down the MC's now spammable Mantis Harpoons, and he'd be quite likely to get devastated if he tried to do anything other than run from the MC's Mantis Spear or Heavy Scythe since he can't counter them with a Heat Flare. His passive defence would make the MC strain his lesser internal MP pool dearly to do it, but Cole would definitely end up dying in a 1v1 scenario with a mid-trance MC.
 

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So this basically hints that the Great Ocean is potentially tied to the apostles as a 1st Generation like the Qlippoth with the 3rd and 9th. Since the "vast black ocean" part can only be in reference to it. Hence, the Undines are 2nd Generation. All that's left is to see the Strength Eaters. Though they should have Ether (6th) and maybe Power (2nd).
 
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So this basically hints that the Great Ocean is potentially tied to the apostles as a 1st Generation like the Qlippoth with the 3rd and 9th. Since the "vast black ocean" part can only be in reference to it. Hence, the Undines are 2nd Generation. All that's left is to see the Strength Eaters. Though they should have Ether (6th) and maybe Power (2nd).
Ella clearly said that Amber wasnt tied to the 12 core trait (so apostles), the Qliphot is quite something else and we arent exactly sure what Ella meant by it having a special relationship with body and truth for the qlipphot.

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But now the way Amber power work is quite similar to Undines, liquid body and total control over it, their attacks also are limited by the amount of water of their body like Amber who have a limited amount of water too and can take control of other bodies of water and to make it her's, and of course the way Undine can infuse their water with other effect and the way Amber drain power through her water.
Finaly she somehow was able to be fused to her sister by Tanos without losing their individualities, leading to be as powerfull than if they had evolved already, kind of similar to the fusion of Undine. (even the way they are able to switch is mentionned by Liz to be due to Amber power)

We can clearly see that Liz inherited the full ability of Strenght eater, when for Amber, it's more close to Undine but with the draining ability used by strenght eater (who isnt the ability of strenght eater either but something else , it's quite curious .

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Also, the way the black water tend to avoid Amber can make us think about how the undine fear to reunite with the rest of the black sea, which could give us some hint about what the great ocean realy is, because Amber clearly wasnt just infected by an Undine, otherwise she would still be tied to apostles.
But even that doesnt explain why it wouldnt be tied to the 12 core trait though .
 
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Ella clearly said that Amber wasnt tied to the 12 core trait (so apostles), the Qliphot is quite something else and we arent exactly sure by what Ella meant by it by special relationship with body and truth.

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But now the way Amber power work is quite similar to Undines, liquid body and total control over it, their attacks also are limited by the amount of water of their body like Amber who have a limited amount of water too and can take control of other bodies of water and to make it her's, and of course the way Undine can infuse their water with other effect and the way Amber drain power through her water.
Finaly she somehow was able to be fused to her sister by Tanos without losing their individualities, leading to be as powerfull than if they had evolved already, kind of similar to the fusion of Undine.

We can clearly see that Liz inherited the full ability of Strenght eater, when for Amber, it's more close to Undine but with the draining ability used by strenght eater (who isnt the ability of strenght eater either but something else , it's quite curious .

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Also, the way the black water tend to avoid Amber can make us think about how the undine fear to reunite with the rest of the black sea, which could give us some hint about what the great ocean realy is, because Amber clearly wasnt just infected by an Undine, otherwise she would still be tied to apostles.
But even that doesnt explain why it wouldnt be tied to the 12 core trait though .
What if Amber wasn't infected by anything? If the Great Ocean is related to the Undines, as this info card suggests, then it probably has its own fusion ability. So what if, instead of being infected, Amber was directly fused to a piece of the Great Ocean? That would explain why she doesn't have the Core Trait, because she was never actually turned into a superhuman. She's a human, with a symbiotic monster inside her. It would explain why she can't use the evolution serum, either. Neither humans nor monsters can evolve. And didn't the MC sense that there were memories inside Amber that didn't belong to her or Liz? That's not just the link to a monster progenitor, nobody else does that, so what if it's because there is another being inside her?
 

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What if Amber wasn't infected by anything? If the Great Ocean is related to the Undines, as this info card suggests, then it probably has its own fusion ability. So what if, instead of being infected, Amber was directly fused to a piece of the Great Ocean? That would explain why she doesn't have the Core Trait, because she was never actually turned into a superhuman. She's a human, with a symbiotic monster inside her. It would explain why she can't use the evolution serum, either. Neither humans nor monsters can evolve. And didn't the MC sense that there were memories inside Amber that didn't belong to her or Liz? That's not just the link to a monster progenitor, nobody else does that, so what if it's because there is another being inside her?
You are pointing something interesting, it could make sens yes.
It make me think of the famous call of the sea mentionned by Bailey who's also a special case, were she would still have a body by merging with it, but wouldnt be herself.
Also when mc was training with Amber in his liquid form, he was tempted by something we could call similar

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But if it is like you said, it lead to question as to why Amber retained her personnality since based on what you said she would be part of a far greater entity, the strenght eater brought her to what seem to be the great ocean, and even after that she still seem to connect to it in her dreams were they also bring her there.

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But if it is like you said, it lead to question as to why Amber retained her personnality since based on what you said she would be part of a far greater entity, the strenght eater brought her to what seem to be the great ocean, and even after that she still seem to connect to it in her dreams were they also bring her there.
Good point. Amber doesn't seem to have had much mental contamination from whatever happened to her. Maybe the Great Ocean has better control over the fusion process than its lesser kin? Or it could be something that Tanos did. Or I might just be wrong.
 

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Might be tellin on my age here but why do the characters look exactly the same as girls from duke's hardcore honeys?
 

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What if Amber wasn't infected by anything? If the Great Ocean is related to the Undines, as this info card suggests, then it probably has its own fusion ability. So what if, instead of being infected, Amber was directly fused to a piece of the Great Ocean? That would explain why she doesn't have the Core Trait, because she was never actually turned into a superhuman. She's a human, with a symbiotic monster inside her. It would explain why she can't use the evolution serum, either. Neither humans nor monsters can evolve. And didn't the MC sense that there were memories inside Amber that didn't belong to her or Liz? That's not just the link to a monster progenitor, nobody else does that, so what if it's because there is another being inside her?
Amber might not, but Liz clearly has the strength eater's innate abilities. Since they share the same body that makes her a superhuman by default
 

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I had a crazy idea when we face Col and evolve level 4 let's use Michael's power to be immune to body heat, electricity and other things since Michael and Mc joined in mind.
I don't think it works that simple as being immune. Michael isn't exactly ''immune'' to anything, he simply can absorb and repurpose energy trown at him, but if that energy's output and power is more than he can handle then he will be hurt regardless of what kind of energy it is, fire or electricity.
Like when he tried to absorb his brother's electricity.
 
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I don't like it when the main character's identity is revealed to others without giving me a choice. :(
 
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Before fighting the class A Michael says that when he was absorbing the energy of the dead monsters he said there were class B, A and S. Does that mean he passed the test he was missing or does it have to be a newly dead class S?
Michael's conversation with the 2nd Apostle as he's ascending indicates that he failed the ritual. So either it needs to be a fresh S-class, or there was something he was supposed to do with the absorbed energy that he didn't get the chance to. Whichever the case, he's not getting the permanent trance mode.

It's kind of a theme we've got going with our protagonists, that they all come close to but fail to achieve a "perfect" state. The MC isn't the precisely balanced mix of Body and Memory that the 3rd and 4th Apostles wanted. Deryl failed his transformation into a Rebis and is stuck halfway. Michael failed his ritual to get the power the 2nd wanted him to wield. Alice succumbed to the wakeblood and turned into a monster instead of evolving. Amber and Liz don't fit the theme, but I can see plenty of ways their weird status could lead to it.
 
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