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I'm calling it now. Next update Valravn will infect Emily. And here's the twist, Eisheth will infect Christie. Maybe she'll monsterfy, but that's the call I'm making right now. Especially with the lore that we now know of a potential cure for monsterization.
Yeah, that seems like a good theory. I'm sure Christie is giving Lisa a close call as the biggest slut after her time in the cult, so Eisheth seems like a solid monster parent for her. I really hope we get an option to stop her from calling the MC boyfriend, she's been getting on my nerves with that.
 

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Yeah, that seems like a good theory. I'm sure Christie is giving Lisa a close call as the biggest slut after her time in the cult, so Eisheth seems like a solid monster parent for her. I really hope we get an option to stop her from calling the MC boyfriend, she's been getting on my nerves with that.
It was mostly due to the dogmatic pursuit of the truth Christie has been on the entire game. This update shows the sheer fanaticism she has about it.
 

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This is my main problem with this game. It's great, with great characters and lore(obviously, looking at the amount of pages on here talking about it) but suffers from "bullshit-messing with MC". It almost feels like the anime Berserk of Gluttony..... the MC gets special powers and/or special system, but it's as if the world is out to get the MC. MC should always know their place, MC should always end up needing help etc.

And let's not talk about the amount of plot armor...... some of the MC opponents/enemies/anti-MC assholes get! Like Jared. OMFG. I want to kill him and feed his spine to his father. How he hasn't been brutally murdered yet is just biased writing at the end of the day, and I sincerely hope the rumored "redemption arc" never happens.

I haven't played past a certain point after the battle of diamonds, because it feels like WW is just holding the MCs growth and power back intentionally to create "suspension" or "struggle" in the story at an unnecessary level. I want to continue liking this game, I want to explore the monster world, and some of the most recent content sounds awesome but this stuff puts me off so hard. I don't even mind that there is less sex scenes and stuff because the game is so great apart from what I've said, that you don't really care! It's even better in a sense, because it feels like an "adult" world(that is falling) if you know what I mean.

And I know it's a "GrimDark™" world, but holy shit do I feel sorry for the shenanigans the MC is forcefully penned through by the author, to the point I'm getting heat rashes out of pure irritation. No we don't need an OP isekai MC, but WW please mess with the MC less.

/End rant I typed whilst getting more heat rashes from the weather

And here I'm on the total opposite, I actually love playing as an underdog that is very clearly out of their depth but still manages to overcome in the end.

After all, in the end, the MC always wins. Sure there are enemies that get away, but that just makes it even more satisfying when MC inevitably pulls their asshole out of their mouth. The Cole fight would not have hit nearly as hard as it did were it not for the endless smug shittalking you had to endure from him that you can now throw in his face with the power of NTR.

Similarly for Jared, how lame would it be if he just showed up and then next scene we beat his ass into pieces? Thanks for stopping by I guess? Antagonists need build up in order to be paid off well.
 

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The MC was oddly calm with the idea of Jared just hanging around considering he's gone beyond asshole to someone who will kill or try to kill defenceless people in cold blood.
Is that really confusing though?

The MC himself has plenty of chances throughout the game to do exactly what Jared does to defenseless folk.

It'd be hypocritical for him to judge Jared on that (of course if you don't go around murdering innocent folk like the farmer earlier on then it makes sense for the MC to judge em).


The MC is just a chill guy fr~
 

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This is my main problem with this game. It's great, with great characters and lore(obviously, looking at the amount of pages on here talking about it) but suffers from "bullshit-messing with MC". It almost feels like the anime Berserk of Gluttony..... the MC gets special powers and/or special system, but it's as if the world is out to get the MC. MC should always know their place, MC should always end up needing help etc.

And let's not talk about the amount of plot armor...... some of the MC opponents/enemies/anti-MC assholes get! Like Jared. OMFG. I want to kill him and feed his spine to his father. How he hasn't been brutally murdered yet is just biased writing at the end of the day, and I sincerely hope the rumored "redemption arc" never happens.

I haven't played past a certain point after the battle of diamonds, because it feels like WW is just holding the MCs growth and power back intentionally to create "suspension" or "struggle" in the story at an unnecessary level. I want to continue liking this game, I want to explore the monster world, and some of the most recent content sounds awesome but this stuff puts me off so hard. I don't even mind that there is less sex scenes and stuff because the game is so great apart from what I've said, that you don't really care! It's even better in a sense, because it feels like an "adult" world(that is falling) if you know what I mean.

And I know it's a "GrimDark™" world, but holy shit do I feel sorry for the shenanigans the MC is forcefully penned through by the author, to the point I'm getting heat rashes out of pure irritation. No we don't need an OP isekai MC, but WW please mess with the MC less.

/End rant I typed whilst getting more heat rashes from the weather
Sorry but what the fuck are you even talking about bro? Do you think this is some wish fulfillment crap story where the MC always wins and walks over enemies way stronger than him? And when exactly did the MC ever lose that badly? Maybe you played wrong and didn’t build enough strength, and that’s why you needed help against Valvarn or something.

He defeated Valvarn as a level 2. He completely dominated Deryl with energy to spare just after reaching level 3. He beat Cole, who had been level 3 way longer than him, and even when Cole evolved, he only needed help then which honestly means nothing because two level 3s managing to take down a level 4 is already a huge feat.

He has like three A-rank monsters under his belt now, and sure he needed help, but not everyone can pull that off. Everyone around him acknowledges how insane that is. He fought the twins, both level 3s with a shared power pool and broken abilities, and he still gave them a serious challenge. In the last update, he even defeated a doll of the Authority’s chosen, who had some ridiculous powers. And you call him weak? That’s insane lol.

If you seriously expected him to beat the twins, some of the strongest level 3s while Shen, a level 4, was right there, or to solo level 4 Cole, then I really don’t know what to say. This is a shonen story. The MC is strong, but it is relative to his level. Of course he will get help. Of course he will sometimes lose to stronger opponents. That is literally how the story works.
 

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Only time I can truly recall MC getting his ass beaten truly badly was the initial shit with Klaus but that's expected since it was his first go around with another Superhuman outside of Ella (and he knew his weakness, big oof for MC).
Yeah, and even in that arc, he defeated a level 2 who had her powers for like two years as a level 1.
 

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Is that really confusing though?

The MC himself has plenty of chances throughout the game to do exactly what Jared does to defenseless folk.

It'd be hypocritical for him to judge Jared on that (of course if you don't go around murdering innocent folk like the farmer earlier on then it makes sense for the MC to judge em).


The MC is just a chill guy fr~

This isn't a question of the MC's morality, it just felt off the way they treated him contacting Tess, felt more like an early game interaction and not the fact that he's working with an organisation that is actively trying to kill or capture them for inhumane experiments.

Really not a big deal though.
 

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It's a matter of taste and personal preference I guess. And for me the MC doesn't seem like an underdog, if anyone does I'd say that Michael fits the term better. An underdog is if I haven't misunderstood, taking an example from today's female tennis competition matches, when an unknown ranked 116th in the world of tennis beats the one ranked number 3. Michaels start as as a superhuman is the very definition of that, beating the Lei long or w/e it's called with his tenacity and no powers.

But to explain further of why I say it's probably a matter of taste and personal preference; I am the type of person who cheats heavily in single-player games and get more joy and many more hours of gameplay in a game by cheating, whereas if I can't cheat at all(in my single player game, I like playing co-op multiplayer where we don't cheat) I simply don't play.

I don't know if it's because of my childhood, having some rough teenage years and living the glory of being an adult with responsibilities, but I struggle and get challenged enough in real life and don't want more of it during my spare time and in my hobbies.

But I also know that I'm a minority in this. And for something to grow from popularity to proper followings, you have to cater to the most stable and populous group. Ergo, not me.

And again, I do not mind GrimDark™ and happen to be a wh40k fan who likes to play Thousand Sons and Necrons, but I am also of the opinion that good GrimDark™ doesn't have to mess with the main character in this manner. Tragic ends and events sure, but when nerf your own MC because you can't move the plot forward otherwise, that's bad writing according to me. If I start to relate to such an MC then I start feeling the abuse they get. And since the MC of this game is almost constantly getting battered one way or the other, yeah that just ruins all joy I get from the amazing characters, lore and plot.

Also as a final side-note; Jared showing up powered up(evo 1 or 2 artifical?) and getting his ass kicked would've made sense with how he was written before that point. He was a school bully with hooks in the Dean and a rich daddy, that you had to overcome whilst hiding your superhuman-ness. Jared isn't skilled in anything except brute manipulation of women and sports, and has lived a sheltered life. You're telling me that a spoilt and sheltered new-made artifical superhuman can't be beaten no matter how drained the MC and gang was? That no one could prevent a bloody crystal being shot at Laura?

Sorry, I don't know what's in the mind of WW but anything regarding Jared past the school phase is trash writing and for me forcing your own ideas upon your readers. Jared is bullshit and should have monsterified and died in a similar manner to Kenny, when he notices that daddys money didn't make him better than MC in a fight and overdraws his powers.

Instead we get the bullshit we have. Fuck Jared.
 

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In my post that you yourself quoted, I did say that I am not asking for an OP Isekai MC. I also said I don't mind GrimDark™ and tragic stuff. I am also not talking about wins and loses, I'm talking about what goes on in-between. And no I don't expect him to beat the twins, as I said that's not what I'm on about.
 
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Also as a final side-note; Jared showing up powered up(evo 1 or 2 artifical?) and getting his ass kicked would've made sense with how he was written before that point. He was a school bully with hooks in the Dean and a rich daddy, that you had to overcome whilst hiding your superhuman-ness. Jared isn't skilled in anything except brute manipulation of women and sports, and has lived a sheltered life. You're telling me that a spoilt and sheltered new-made artifical superhuman can't be beaten no matter how drained the MC and gang was? That no one could prevent a bloody crystal being shot at Laura?
I think you are forgetting Jared wasn't alone.

He had backup and the MC & co were too drained to fight them all.

Is it a tad bullshit a crystal just one shots Laurie? No, not really. She herself was drained and out in the open.

It's her own fault for not being more guarded.

Jared is bullshit and should have monsterified and died in a similar manner to Kenny, when he notices that daddys money didn't make him better than MC in a fight and overdraws his powers.
Jared wouldn't have monsterified for the most obvious reason of the manner in which he got his power (willpower and SIN).

Jared, unlike Kenny, wasn't forced to take a pill, and later on, due to how much corruption was forced into him, had his mind fractured, hence monsterification, and he wasn't like James, who simply couldn't handle it.

He had the will and want to become stronger to surpass the MC who was bitching him around.

His lackeys simply lacked the drive he had or couldn't handle what came with it.

Its also a tad funny you are forgetting SIN found the perfect monster parent for Jared (its kinda like ya know the one thing they have over HERO, which is why their numbers are growing so fast~)

Ultimately, you are just letting your blind dislike of Jared cloud your mind from the facts.
 

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In my post that you yourself quoted, I did say that I am not asking for an OP Isekai MC. I also said I don't mind GrimDark™ and tragic stuff. I am also not talking about wins and loses, I'm talking about what goes on in-between. And no I don't expect him to beat the twins, as I said that's not what I'm on about.
Bro, you didn’t talk about anything. Your whole post is just ranting, calling the MC weak, and saying the story is irritating. Your only actual point was Jared, which doesn’t mean anything in the bigger picture. He literally had his power, we saw him in like two scenes, and then came the Monster World. You want the MC to drop all the important stuff happening around him and go chase after Jared?

And it seems like you’re getting what you want, we’ll most likely get the option to kill him in the next update anyway. You keep going on about grimdark and tragic, but what exactly is tragic in this story? The MC is just chilling and going around fucking baddies, both human and monster. The most tragic thing that has happened so far, you didn’t even reach because you stopped at the Battle of Diamonds.

My advice, bro, just play the game and enjoy it. Don’t put too much weight on who can punch harder or whose dick is bigger (At least the MC has the biggest one, right? Lol).
 

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Bro, you didn’t talk about anything. Your whole post is just ranting, calling the MC weak, and saying the story is irritating. Your only actual point was Jared, which doesn’t mean anything in the bigger picture. He literally had his power, we saw him in like two scenes, and then came the Monster World. You want the MC to drop all the important stuff happening around him and go chase after Jared?

And it seems like you’re getting what you want, we’ll most likely get the option to kill him in the next update anyway. You keep going on about grimdark and tragic, but what exactly is tragic in this story? The MC is just chilling and going around fucking baddies, both human and monster. The most tragic thing that has happened so far, you didn’t even reach because you stopped at the Battle of Diamonds.

My advice, bro, just play the game and enjoy it. Don’t put too much weight on who can punch harder or whose dick is bigger (At least the MC has the biggest one, right? Lol).
Uh, you lost me. I was writing about that I don't like that I feel the MC is getting messed with by the author. Did me quoting someone else confuse you? I like the story as I've said, I just don't like the level of struggle the MC goes through. And I even said that my opinion on Jared is a side-note.

Not to be rude but, your misunderstanding of this and tone of writing reminds me of a jock. And then I saw your profile picture and chuckled. Can you please read what I wrote again? I apologize if I came off as a self-insert incel, that was not my intention.

I wasn't trying to say I'm right and others are wrong, I just ranted about what ruins my personal enjoyment. And I never did do dick-measuring contests, even in school. I grew up with only one parent, the female part, and I had no friends(not that I needed them back then) in the small town I grew up in. So I've missed out on a lot of masculine things, and know for sure that I have no need to measure penises, neither real ones or ones used metaphorically.
 

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I think you are forgetting Jared wasn't alone.

He had backup and the MC & co were too drained to fight them all.

Is it a tad bullshit a crystal just one shots Laurie? No, not really. She herself was drained and out in the open.

It's her own fault for not being more guarded.


Jared wouldn't have monsterified for the most obvious reason of the manner in which he got his power (willpower and SIN).

Jared, unlike Kenny, wasn't forced to take a pill, and later on, due to how much corruption was forced into him, had his mind fractured, hence monsterification, and he wasn't like James, who simply couldn't handle it.

He had the will and want to become stronger to surpass the MC who was bitching him around.

His lackeys simply lacked the drive he had or couldn't handle what came with it.

Its also a tad funny you are forgetting SIN found the perfect monster parent for Jared (its kinda like ya know the one thing they have over HERO, which is why their numbers are growing so fast~)

Ultimately, you are just letting your blind dislike of Jared cloud your mind from the facts.
You are entirely correct. But I am not refuting what happened in the scenes or the background to it, I find the writing inconsequential to how Jared as a character is first portrayed. And I also tried to tie this into my main gripe of me feeling the MC is being messed with by the author.

What annoys me is that with how that character had acted before(how he was written), and them placing him there to kill Laurie unless you make the correct choices, is just messing with the MC. The author, that is.

I feel like I'm repeating myself here, but obviously my previous posts were ironically shittily written by me.
 
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