VN Ren'Py Superhuman [v0.99999b] [WeirdWorld]

[johndqdo]

Yes. Why wouldn't it be possible beyond them being the same gender? It won't automatically result in the true form of Order, mind you. Since it's implied that you still would need the Origin for that to happen. But said child between the Chosen would get a bastardized version of Order. It could be subtle with no difference between Authority and Power respectively, for example.

Origin? Can you remember me what it's that?

And I already mentioned this example, but Hex is capable of creating pocket dimensions—something that would be impossible with Ether or Time alone but is achievable with Infinity. This is despite Hex not being a perfect 50/50. He is probably a 10/90 or, at best, a 20/80 mix of Time and Ether.

So, I think it could be possible, with enough trial and error, for a perfect or nearly perfect 50/50 being to be born with powers that only Arbiters possessed.

 

[DrakoGhoul]

Origin? Can you remember me what it's that?

And I already mentioned this example, but Hex is capable of creating pocket dimensions—something that would be impossible with Ether or Time alone but is achievable with Infinity. This is despite Hex not being a perfect 50/50. He is probably a 10/90 or, at best, a 20/80 mix of Time and Ether.

So, I think it could be possible, with enough trial and error, for a perfect or nearly perfect 50/50 being to be born with powers that only Arbiters possessed.

The Origin is the Eye that's in the MC. It's what it calls itself when asked during the 3rd Evolution. And from what we learned from asking Aglaecwif about Order. The Origin was the last time she saw someone use the completed trait. So the power is likely tied to the Origin being in your possession at the same time of being 50/50. Otherwise, you get this lesser form of the completed trait.

What's going on with Hex is a bit different, but similar to what happened with the Asura and Drek. That specific Hexenringe got a mutation from Time, somehow. Which caused it to mutate into being able to use Dimensions. It has a powerful, but ultimately limited version of what Infinity could do. But just like with the Drek and Asura, who can use Soul and Chaos (Flames), it's not the legitimate thing.

I believe WW went into this a bit in one of the streams. Likely was the power tier list stream, actually. Or the one after it. Where he talked about some monsters having the lower form of these completed traits. For example, I mentioned Hex in one of them.

 

[kazuan]

Greetings!, I've been reading the thread after a few days, and I'm a little bit confused about Ella's eyes. I initially believed that she got her eyes from a "friend", who the MC may meet in the future, after completing their sidequest (trial), this led me to believe that there was someone out there (probably an entity like Shopkeep) handing out "upgrades" cyberpunk style in exchange of completing quests. (This is from Ella's conversation with the MC at the soul-tree thingies at Monster World, perhaps I'm remebering it wrong).

Pd: You may remember me as Oota, the guy with the chicken t-posing to the sunset.

We had a discussion about Ella's eyes on page 1500 and the best theory in my mind was that she got them from the school massacre ritual due to this quote posted by Dinoflaggelate:

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[kazuan]

it might even have been something that Tanos figured out and told Ella back when she still was talking to him.

I just thought of something. Tanos artificial eye has the same, but much more limited, function as Ellas eyes when it comes to discerning human-monster combability. He made this eye after studying Ellas eyes but she escaped and would have absolutely not wanted to go back to him after reaching evo3 to let him study her.
Which means that she must have gotten her eyes either from Tanos (unlikely), when she became a superhuman (unlikely), during her 2nd evolution (possible) or she completed some trial during the time she and Tanos made visits to HERO and the kids.
Maybe her getting the eyes was what let her escape in the first place and is why she just happened to show up at HERO when the kids were making their own escape.

 

[AlexKaiser2626]

I know that. The best example is the Banshee, which has a 50/50 mix of Darkness and Fantasy. But I'm referring to cases where two monsters have 100% of the bloodline of each pair of twins, like Authority and Power or Ether and Time, reproducing to achieve a 50/50 blend of each twin. Hex is a Hexenringe with a mutation that gave him a partial lineage of Time, enabling him to do things like create pocket dimensions.

Hex only has one lineage and is the 6th Apostle. Due to his mutation, his power is different, so he can't have an Origin power when he only has one lineage. Besides, it wouldn't be 100 from each Apostle—it would be 50 and 50. I'm also sure that with the Ether Trait, he should be able to create pocket dimensions, though probably only an Apostle can do that. Since Hex is 100 percent lineage of the 6th Apostle

It would be strange if Hex could create pocket dimensions and his Apostle couldn't—after all, his power is used for similar things.

 

[kazuan]

Hex explicitly can and have created pocket dimensions, both the battle of the diamonds and SIN HQ were in hex's pocket dimension.
The reason Hex only has 1 lineage is probably due to normal Hexenringe's being that way, and Hex was just a mutation that happened to gain a twinned trait mutation. As I think Ella said: All Apostle's carry their twins trait within them but in a lesser form. Or something like that.

 

[AlexKaiser2626]

Hex explicitly can and have created pocket dimensions, both the battle of the diamonds and SIN HQ were in hex's pocket dimension.
The reason Hex only has 1 lineage is probably due to normal Hexenringe's being that way, and Hex was just a mutation that happened to gain a twinned trait mutation. As I think Ella said: All Apostle's carry their twins trait within them but in a lesser form. Or something like that.

"Honestly, I don't remember at what point the character said that. Also, the wiki used to say that the Fourth Apostle, Memoria, shared traits with her twin but was considered less significant. I remember they removed that information, so I don't think it's canon—at least not that I recall."

 

[DrakoGhoul]

Hex likely doesn't have one lineage. It was either created that way specifically or Hex was previously a Human or Althuman and became a hexenringe. Otherwise, it shouldn't be possible for it to gain a mutation of Time while also being a created construct by the Daoine Sidhe. Since as far as we know. The horny fairies themselves are created directly by Aos and Danu. Who only have Ether in them. Even with slight deviations, there would be many different type of Hexenringes. Yet, only Hex specifically can create Dimensions. The others can't do anything beyond space, according to Nico and Xanthe.

 

[johndqdo]

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[kazuan]

"Seriously, I don't remember her saying that, but what's more, the wiki said that the 4th Apostle, Memoria, had traits of her twin but was younger, and I remember they removed that. I don't think that's canon, at least not that I remember

I could be wrong but I believe this was from early in the game, when MC is still level 1 or possibly 2.

Hex likely doesn't have one lineage. It was either created that way specifically or Hex was previously a Human or Althuman and became a hexenringe. Otherwise, it shouldn't be possible for it to gain a mutation of Time while also being a created construct by the Daoine Sidhe. Since as far as we know. The horny fairies themselves are created directly by Aos and Danu. Who only have Ether in them. Even with slight deviations, there would be many different type of Hexenringes. Yet, only Hex specifically can create Dimensions. The other can't do anything beyond space, according to Nico and Xanthe.

I was basing Hex's single lineage on the picture posted from the wiki and the assumption that Hex was created via mutation rather than monsterifying, which admittedly is a neat theory I hadn't considered.
Going off the wiki: Hex is noted as a "Mutant" aka "Infected" which are monsterified humans and animals which generally take on the same traits and therefore generally manifest the same powers.
So yeah Hex was probably someone with both Time and Ether combability that got infected and monsterified. Neat.

 

[Dinoflaggelate]

I just thought of something. Tanos artificial eye has the same, but much more limited, function as Ellas eyes when it comes to discerning human-monster combability. He made this eye after studying Ellas eyes but she escaped and would have absolutely not wanted to go back to him after reaching evo3 to let him study her.
Which means that she must have gotten her eyes either from Tanos (unlikely), when she became a superhuman (unlikely), during her 2nd evolution (possible) or she completed some trial during the time she and Tanos made visits to HERO and the kids.
Maybe her getting the eyes was what let her escape in the first place and is why she just happened to show up at HERO when the kids were making their own escape.

That's a good point. Ella would have had to have still been accessible by Tanos when she got her eyes for him to have studied them. So either she had them sooner than we thought, or Tanos was still holding Ella captive later than we thought.

 

[Dark T-Rex]

Danica's monster seemed smaller in her backstory

You're not wrong, Danica said the monster that got her was human size.


This is the monster that attacked and changed Danica.


This one however is much bigger with a different cross. Unless this is just an update to its artwork, I would guess that this is a stronger mutated version. An alpha of its species.

 

[Dinoflaggelate]

You're not wrong, Danica said the monster that got her was human size.
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This is the monster that attacked and changed Danica.
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This one however is much bigger with a different cross. Unless this is just an update to its artwork, I would guess that this is a stronger mutated version. An alpha of its species.
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I'm going to guess that this is the original Gestas. It appears to have actually been crucified, not just T-posing on an energy cross, and the spikes connecting it to its cross have fused with its body. That makes me think this is someone who monsterfied while being crucified, fused with their cross, and then passed the imagery down to those they infected. That would explain it being so big, too, if it was the oldest and thereby strongest of the Gestas species.

 

[DrakoGhoul]

By the way Dominosaur if you're reading this, the stream where it was mentioned was the 39th Stream.

Timestamp is at 1:09:03, he mentions Syla, Silat, Memory Dog and Lethe are memory users. Then said Liderc as a "little bit" of memory. I wish I would've been able to find this during stream, but unfortunately WW ended before I reached this one. But like he said, he could've lied since it's not in the game currently.

 

[BenoTF25]

MC is an oddity by being a Split Spawn, he is only infected by either Body or Memory(depending on which path you chose on the park at the beginning), thing is, Apostles have the chance of pass their Twin Trait, Power can Pass on Authority, Darkness-Light, that type of stuff, but is apparently very rare and is not a desired outcome for anyone but Memory.

Having two traits doesn't mean a monster is like MC, I mean, most mutts have two or more traits, Malik and Bernhardt have three each, but their Power is still tied to Elements, they don't use Fantasies nor Truth despite having the Traits. So no, I dobut Apostles can create a Split Monster as easily, even if they wanted to, Aglaecwif mention that Jake had the Potential to Inherit Order(Authority + the Power to use it.) but then she goes and adds that it would be the First instance of someone having that Power since the 'Origin', so beyond Jake having the potential to, no Monster nor Spawn has awaken Order in who knows how many million years.

 

[BenoTF25]

I'm going to guess that this is the original Gestas. It appears to have actually been crucified, not just T-posing on an energy cross, and the spikes connecting it to its cross have fused with its body. That makes me think this is someone who monsterfied while being crucified, fused with their cross, and then passed the imagery down to those they infected. That would explain it being so big, too, if it was the oldest and thereby strongest of the Gestas species.

I do wonder what gen the Gestas is, MC got the creeps just looking at Danica's Monster Parent in her dream, and it should be 'Pure' Enough in destruction Trait for it's Spawn, Danica to help MC connect with the Apostle, if that's the Case, the Giant Gestas is probably gonna be fought by MC and a heavy hitter, maybe a Lieutenant(?, because I don't think MC is up to take it as he is right now.

 

[BenoTF25]

Well, Hex exists, and it's said that he has both Ether and Time, so I don't think it's THAT impossible.

Hex is a mutant though, and while it should have time, is probably a 70/30 thing, going by the Arbiters Theory, then Hex shouldn't count as an user of 'Infinity', i think the Original Powers are far more big of a deal than just have a monster being hooked up with two traits, The Invincible Lord of the Sea Humans and the Sky Queen(and Henri)are the only instances of someone being hint to have an original trait, plus Jake having the potential for Order itself, but as mentioned earlier, Glae said that he would be the first user since the Origin itself, whatever that means

 

[kazuan]

I'm going to guess that this is the original Gestas. It appears to have actually been crucified, not just T-posing on an energy cross, and the spikes connecting it to its cross have fused with its body. That makes me think this is someone who monsterfied while being crucified, fused with their cross, and then passed the imagery down to those they infected. That would explain it being so big, too, if it was the oldest and thereby strongest of the Gestas species.

Considering Danicas Kryq being cross shaped (ish), the whole cross motif is definitely a core inheretd aspect of it's lineage, I wonder if he was some sort of traitor or heretic and got punished like the Asura. It's size may not mean much though considering Aos claimed he was taller than Amber before he monsterified.

I do wonder what gen the Gestas is, MC got the creeps just looking at Danica's Monster Parent in her dream, and it should be 'Pure' Enough in destruction Trait for it's Spawn, Danica to help MC connect with the Apostle, if that's the Case, the Giant Gestas is probably gonna be fought by MC and a heavy hitter, maybe a Lieutenant(?, because I don't think MC is up to take it as he is right now.

Considering Evander is a greater spawn of Destruction and what his abilities are I'd say the Gestas is probably not very pure. If Danica is anything to go by it may even have Light or Ether.
I don't remember where or who said it but I think someone said that all monsters of a lineage have a connection to their Apostle, no matter how far down the generations you go. Since Danica is the only spawn of Destruction that MC knows that isn't an enemy she was the only choice.

 

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Apparently you can bring stuff from the Immaterial World to the real world. You could probably do some shenanigans with that.

 

[Mamaragan]

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