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I mean, they aren't though. For his part, Jake was being hyped up by Ella, with the "You have one of the more special powers I've seen, maybe even more so than MC, you just need to use it." She kept feeding his ego while pushing him to be aware (and afraid) of MC. She does everything she can to make him feel antagonized by the MC, to the point of turning into MC and telling Jake to basically "Fuck off, you're not special like me!".

And even then, after what he did to Mia and Ella saying she'll fix her if he kills MC, if you had a good relationship w/Jake up till that point, he doesn't want to kill you (although he wanted to let you rot in prison). At worst, Jake is a manipulated dumbass trying to fix his best friend after his fuckup cost her.
He's fully aware of what he's doing, even they're getting manipulated by Ella. That's the consequences of his action and his stupidity in the outcome he hurts his only friend Mia. Out of desperation the only thing he can think of to save Mia is to kill the Mc as Ella said so.

In the prison part even the Mc exposed Ella that she's manipulating him but Jake doesn't give a shit and still proceeds to make the Mc kills himself.

In my "Playthrough" Jake proceeds to kill the Mc, and since your playthrough Jake only lets the Mc rot in jail.

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Soooooooooooo, Isn't this proves my point that Jake is fully aware of his actions all this time?????? Like there's two literal outcomes in the prison part, it's either he kills you or he lets you rot in jail.

This is actually my last straw for Jake since he's getting fully manipulated by Ella, there's no way out to save him. It's not like the Mc going to stand there and going to pity for Jake. The Mc is going to end his stupid ass.
 
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But Deryl? Motherfucker, he didn't have ANY FAULT IN THAT MATTER! Bro literally got mindraped by Jake (at Ella's command), it didn't fully take effect thanks to Mia, but still put him under a "I love Ella and will do anything for her." Even his reasoning to fight and try to kill Jake and MC is because Ella said he couldn't become her chosen, only MC or Jake.
But that's the whole point tho, the mindrape of Jake to Deryl is not successful.

The only time Deryl becomes obsessed with his cringe ass "I love Ella" bullshit when Ella gave her powers. Deryl is literally fully aware all the time, he's no difference to Jake, at least for Jake he's getting manipulated because of Mia.

But Deryl he's the fucking worst one. Just because Ella gave him powers and now Deryl betrays the Mc behind his back, just because he's jealous because the Mc has powers? Fuck off. Deryl wasn't even suppose to be there, he just want to crash and and boast his cringe ass saying of how much he love Ella.
 
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Also, this guy hadn't even reached the monster Deryl shit when he made that post, he was only talking about the shit Deryl did when he was under Jake's mental compulsion.
What are you even saying? The tripple fight is not even that far to Deryl monster transformation.

And under Jake's Mental Compulsion? Are we even playing the same game? Did you even read that the Imprinting on Deryl was not successful? Deryl only becomes obsessed with Ella when she gaves her powers and proceeds to betray the Mc.

Also Deryl himself said that he is not getting controlled by Jake NOR Ella, he's fully aware of what's his doing.

Here's the full proof, because it's look like in this thread you're persisting that Deryl is under Jake mind control.

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He's fully aware of what he's doing, even they're getting manipulated by Ella. That's the consequences of his action and his stupidity in the outcome he hurts his only friend Mia. Out of desperation the only thing he can think of to save Mia is to kill the Mc as Ella said so.

In the prison part even the Mc exposed Ella that she's manipulating him but Jake doesn't give a shit and still proceeds to make the Mc kills himself.

In my "Playthrough" Jake proceeds to kill the Mc, and since your playthrough Jake only lets the Mc rot in jail.

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Soooooooooooo, Isn't this proves my point that Jake is fully aware of his actions all this time?????? Like there's two literal outcomes in the prison part, it's either he kills you or he lets you rot in jail.

This is actually my last straw for Jake since he's getting fully manipulated by Ella, there's no way out to save him. It's not like the Mc going to stand there and going to pity for Jake. The Mc is going to end his stupid ass.
Now hold on, to get Jake to order Mc to shoot himself you would have to HEAVILY antagonize him A LOT. Like call him a loser, be a douche to him every chance you get etc.

And look, I totaly get your point, why you hate him, I do. But just put yourself for just 1 sec in his shoes. This dude was harassed both physicaly and mentaly by Jared and his goons for God knows how long, and he was probably bullied all his life.

You give a dude in his position the bonkers overpowered power to mind fuck people and lemme tell you, most people would turn into a hentai villain I quarantee you, way worse than Jake.

Ella just royaly fucked him over, Jake even wanted to trust Mc over Ella but she transformed into Mc to fuck with him. And ofc once Mia was in a come Jake was in too deep to stop.

Look I know you killed him, but if you didn't you'd see that a broken and sorry man he later becomes.
 
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Now hold on, to get Jake to order Mc to shoot himself you would have to HEAVILY antagonize him A LOT. Like call him a loser, be a douche to him every chance you get etc.
I only heavily antagonized him at the very end of the prison part, because that's the reality and he deserves to be called like that, he's a fucked up in the head.

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You give a dude in his position the bonkers overpowered power to mind fuck people and lemme tell you, most people would turn into a hentai villain I quarantee you, way worse than Jake.
Oh boy, if you just know, he's already doing it to Liz and Amber, but the Mc is stopped his stupid ass to continue. That he runs away like a pussy after the Mc caught him doing mind control to Liz and Amber to show their tits and whoever know what will happen if the Mc didn't stopped him.

And look, I totaly get your point, why you hate him
No, I pity the guy, it's so fucking sad. He already given these powers, he changed himself, but still in the end he's still a fucked up, nothing changed. He is so fucked up that and blinded by power, plus following Ella, he hurt his only friend Mia.

This dude was harassed both physicaly and mentaly by Jared and his goons for God knows how long, and he was probably bullied all his life.
This one doesn't matter, Jake already given the powers to control people, it's beyond power over a human, And he already dealt with the Jared situation he made him like a dog follows every order. Like what did Jake wanted to do more? And he himself already said that the Jared situation he already let go of it.
 
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What are you even saying? The tripple fight is not even that far to Deryl monster transformation.

And under Jake's Mental Compulsion? Are we even playing the same game? Did you even read that the Imprinting on Deryl was not successful? Deryl only becomes obsessed with Ella when she gaves her powers and proceeds to betray the Mc.

Also Deryl himself said that he is not getting controlled by Jake NOR Ella, he's fully aware of what's his doing.

Here's the full proof, because it's look like in this thread you're persisting that Deryl is under Jake mind control.

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Just to be clear, Jake's attempt to imprint Deryl to Ella got interrupted by Mia, but that only meant that he didn't lose his free will completely. Instead of being completely enslaved to Ella, Deryl became obsessively in love with her. Like he himself said, he doesnt have to follow her orders, but the unfinished mindrape makes him want to. His mind was still absolutely in an altered state and that's why I personally don't hold him accountable for his actions during the Jake fight.
 
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Just to be clear, Jake's attempt to imprint Deryl to Ella got interrupted by Mia, but that only meant that he didn't lose his free will completely. Instead of being completely enslaved to Ella, Deryl became obsessively in love with her. Like he himself said, he doesnt have to follow her orders, but the unfinished mindrape makes him want to. His mind was still absolutely in an altered state and that's why I personally don't hold him accountable for his actions during the Jake fight.
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What are you even saying? The tripple fight is not even that far to Deryl monster transformation.

And under Jake's Mental Compulsion? Are we even playing the same game? Did you even read that the Imprinting on Deryl was not successful? Deryl only becomes obsessed with Ella when she gaves her powers and proceeds to betray the Mc.

Also Deryl himself said that he is not getting controlled by Jake NOR Ella, he's fully aware of what's his doing.

Here's the full proof, because it's look like in this thread you're persisting that Deryl is under Jake mind control.

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The imprinting was partially successful. It 100% altered his mind and made him put Ella above all else.
 
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how did Charlie restrict him though, I still don't get what the rule or whatever it was that Deryl broke
I don't know if I remember the exact thing I thought it was back then. Because I was still crashing out during the Jake fight. But I think the imprint she put on Deryl was related to the effigy. Since that's what Ella assigned Deryl to make.

Though, it could also be her plan. I still think it's weird that Deryl never actually told MC and his friends Ella's plan. Since he knew it before becoming a monster and after becoming one. I'll ask WW next stream because I do think it's weird for Deryl to withhold that information. It's the same about the Apostles too. He clearly knows about them to have a discussion with Tanos. But he never talks with MC about it? Even though MC told him earlier Aos telling him to say hi to the 4th or 3rd for him.

Then again, 1.0 could already be accounting for these things. Like Ella being wrong about the 3rd and 4th not being about to change others. Which never made sense.
 
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He's still mindfucked at that statement, in fact, once he gets his free will (and tries to win the fight I mentioned before) this is one of the first things he says:
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See he himself said that you can't trust Ella, he's aware all of this time, but his dumbass trusted Ella, well because Ella gave her powers and he got manipulated just like Jake yada yada yada. He is not getting "Mindfucked" because he CHOSE to trust Ella.

The mindfuck is just a small part of all these corrosion, it's actually almost not that effective to Deryl. Deryl is just stubborn at it's best.

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See, he even proceeds to continue to fight the Mc because of his stubbornness. If he's REALLY MINDFUCK at best, Deryl will stop the fight and asked what the fuck is happening and why is he a monster full blown monster. But it didn't happen, he's fully aware of his action and what's happening throughout all these time. All of these can prevent if he's not stupid and stubborn, he just wanted to get beef with the Mc.

Until he regain small memories from the "Doll" and almost got beaten up with the Mc, and now he's done with her.

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So, don't tell me that Deryl is getting mindfucked at the fullest, it's not a reason, because, Well jeez Jake himself already said that the imprinting is not complete, it's actually easy to understand. It's just that Deryl is stupid and stubborn until he realized he's fucked.
 
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Having fun with this game so far, would be nice if there was more minigame elements present and perhaps some full animation at some point.

I do like the comedy, at first I was worried this was going to be another big boobs for no reason sort of game but its a hilarious running gag in the game which is a nice comedic touch.

Stuff like this is hilarious: Pretty sure the choice of words are not by accident.
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What comes in your mind in this scene?

Mine is two, she either really taking care of these orphanage kids or she's making a monster farm to turn these kids into monster.

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No… Ella is like the real-life mafia. She can be horrible to a lot of people, but with her own, she genuinely cares about them. That includes the kids (and btw, in the new updates they explain that she went through something similar when she was younger, which justifies her choices). She also cares about her friends. WW is that kind of writer who makes very multifaceted characters, bad and good at the same time, which is actually very realistic.
 

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For a totally different topic, I have looked up the energy of cosmic lightning bolts for the scenario that MC learns how to absorb electric energy and they can reach energies of up to...

10^28 Joules of energy.

That's enough to:
Vaporize all water on the earth 30 times over,
Accelerate a 1km diameter piece of rock to 15% the speed of light,
Evaporate a mid-sized moon about ten times,
And, my favorite rival, 50 Million times the entire world's nuclear arsenal.

So, uh, there's options.
 
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