VN Ren'Py Superhuman [v0.99999b] [WeirdWorld]

[Dinoflaggelate]

Well curing "monsterism" and "corruption" are different I doubt putting a helmet on claire would reverse her current state, wanting to go from superhuman to human could be "regressive" but just making sure peoples powers dont mutate in harmful ways (nyx/henri) should be something viewed as beneficial. We also know that becoming a monster/human causes biological changes but corruption is seemingly mental/mystical (nyx got mind raped by "ghosts" for a time/being able to "hear monster whispers at night") so "corruption" should be much harder to cure.

As the person above me says since he recalls the guy who told him "your life aint that shit kid" he would have to remember Ella, the only way for her to know him without him knowing her is too meet before him mom died.

Well we "know" Stephen meets syla, stephen likes her tiddies, stephen too horny to care about her shapeshifting/clearly being mentally messed up, stephen marries her (all confirmed in dream?) from here right now my guess would be: stephen gets job while syla is being "treated", syla lies to him about the treatments, MC is born and probably does some monster stuff or whatever ended him at same place, stephen learns whats going on and does some blackmail stuff to get mc/syla out of there but syla dies in order for mc to live/the lab sends someone to kill her.

I dont think stephen would give MC willingly for experimentation, he sure as shit wouldnt willingly give up syla for it, and that goes double when you consider how "above and beyond" tanos would likely go (like he did with amber/liz)



Considering cole is "angry" but otherwise "sane/functioning" I dont think it was "just" tanos experiments that are the reason, I think the real reason has more to do with whatever "bad stuff syla took in over the years" that caused her a "true spawn" to no longer be consdiered "pure"......beyond that would be rampant speculation but my money is on a certain raven and their lord

Yeah, if I'm being realistic Stephen wouldn't have willingly let Tanos do anything to the MC. He's shady, not evil. Either he didn't know the worst stuff that happened at the institute, or he had no other choice. Like, maybe the MC had some serious health problem because of his hybrid status that only Tanos could fix, and Tanos got his experiments in while working on him. We know the MC was a lot shorter than his parents before he became a superhuman, him being very ill as a child would explain that. But yeah, that's the most "willing" I can see Stephen being in giving his own son to the institute to work on.

And yeah, I do think it's likely that most of the MC's blocked memories have to do with Syla not wanting young him to know about monster stuff, not whatever happened to him in the hospital. Valravn and things related to him seem likely explanations. But something had to have happened to have him not remember Ella. The way Ella's inner monologue describes it, the MC was with her for a while. Shorter than the rest of the group (probably because Stephen got him out of there), but long enough for her to see him as part of the group and not an outsider. So there was some extended experience that the MC had that Syla didn't want him to remember.

I don't know. It's all just conjecture for now. I'm sure my speculation will be put to rest in a few updates, after the MC grinds enough skill points into Memory powers for him to use the key Syla gave him. Should be fun to see how right/wrong I am.

 

[Simpgor]

And yeah, I do think it's likely that most of the MC's blocked memories have to do with Syla not wanting young him to know about monster stuff, not whatever happened to him in the hospital. Valravn and things related to him seem likely explanations. But something had to have happened to have him not remember Ella. The way Ella's inner monologue describes it, the MC was with her for a while. Shorter than the rest of the group (probably because Stephen got him out of there), but long enough for her to see him as part of the group and not an outsider. So there was some extended experience that the MC had that Syla didn't want him to remember.

I don't know. It's all just conjecture for now. I'm sure my speculation will be put to rest in a few updates, after the MC grinds enough skill points into Memory powers for him to use the key Syla gave him. Should be fun to see how right/wrong I am.

I think syla did a "blanket memory wipe/blocking" rather than being able to do something specific like block out his memories of just the lab. Like I said cole is functioning (if angry) human and he recalls 100% of what tanos did to him, and that would have been after the knowledge he gained from MC so the experiments would likely be worse/more in depth.

Syla wiping all of his memory (instead of just parts) could be due to the impurities (which we know both syla/MC has) or her needing to do it at the last second and not being to able to pick and choose.

We already "know" MC is connected to the 7th because during the dream his hand grabs us back into the dream and speaks 100% plain ass English to MC (not monster gibberish at all) and the text is either about death or killing everyone.....

Imagine if Lil shorty MC knew that he was "destined" to "be above all/ kill everyone" right around the same time his mom dies and he experiences some of the shit people can do. It would be so easy for MC to go down a "dark" (corrupt) path and feel like he has no choice. Why help Alice when at the end of the day you are going to consume her? Same for anybody and everybody. It would justify syla talking about "love" to MC, and explain all the "need allies" that the low corruption scenes are tagged with. Because if MC isn't going to use his powers he is going to need allies.

Edit: also explains why Syla is happy that MC kept his scars. Despite being able to be "perfect" (in a body sense) the MC rather be "himself" even if it's a small and mostly meaningless thing

 

[Dinoflaggelate]

I think syla did a "blanket memory wipe/blocking" rather than being able to do something specific like block out his memories of just the lab. Like I said cole is functioning (if angry) human and he recalls 100% of what tanos did to him, and that would have been after the knowledge he gained from MC so the experiments would likely be worse/more in depth.

Syla wiping all of his memory (instead of just parts) could be due to the impurities (which we know both syla/MC has) or her needing to do it at the last second and not being to able to pick and choose.

We already "know" MC is connected to the 7th because during the dream his hand grabs us back into the dream and speaks 100% plain ass English to MC (not monster gibberish at all) and the text is either about death or killing everyone.....

Imagine if Lil shorty MC knew that he was "destined" to "be above all/ kill everyone" right around the same time his mom dies and he experiences some of the shit people can do. It would be so easy for MC to go down a "dark" (corrupt) path and feel like he has no choice. Why help Alice when at the end of the day you are going to consume her? Same for anybody and everybody. It would justify syla talking about "love" to MC, and explain all the "need allies" that the low corruption scenes are tagged with. Because if MC isn't going to use his powers he is going to need allies.

Was Cole experimented on by Tanos? I thought it was implied it was the elder Xanthe who experimented on him.

And huh, Syla wanting to block the Lord of Dark from having an influence on the MC could explain a lot of those memory gaps. Hell, even if it was targeted and not a shotgun scatter of memory wiping, that could still take out wide portions of his memory if the Dark was contacting him for an extended period. Might even explain him not remembering meeting Ella in the hospital, without there needing to be tortuous medical experimentation to block out. I imagine that the dark god who likes to talk about death is really eager to share his perspective when you're ill and around ill people. Yeah, I like this idea. That's a good theory.

 

[Simpgor]

Was Cole experimented on by Tanos? I thought it was implied it was the elder Xanthe who experimented on him.

And huh, Syla wanting to block the Lord of Dark from having an influence on the MC could explain a lot of those memory gaps. Hell, even if it was targeted and not a shotgun scatter of memory wiping, that could still take out wide portions of his memory if the Dark was contacting him for an extended period. Might even explain him not remembering meeting Ella in the hospital, without there needing to be tortuous medical experimentation to block out. I imagine that the dark god who likes to talk about death is really eager to share his perspective when you're ill and around ill people. Yeah, I like this idea. That's a good theory.

Pretty sure it was Yung xanthe aka tanos? I think xanthe (old) mentions him but only that hero was looking at him? Cole for sure has not mentioned being kidnapped by hero which given the timeline it would have been "hero" that xanthe (old) was working for, and that seems like something to mention while on TV

There's alot of stuff that's been pointed out by others even before the dream part that makes it "obvious" so I'm just stealing their ideas lol.

If you really want to get conspiracy about it: the fact that Ella sent out valravn and he got captured (instead of Goliath) proves that MC is connected to darkness..... if valravn was at the battle of the diamonds he would have been able to say "omg lord daddy ur back" instead of just bowing down like Goliath

 

[Dinoflaggelate]

Pretty sure it was Yung xanthe aka tanos? I think xanthe (old) mentions him but only that hero was looking at him? Cole for sure has not mentioned being kidnapped by hero which given the timeline it would have been "hero" that xanthe (old) was working for, and that seems like something to mention while on TV

There's alot of stuff that's been pointed out by others even before the dream part that makes it "obvious" so I'm just stealing their ideas lol.

If you really want to get conspiracy about it: the fact that Ella sent out valravn and he got captured (instead of Goliath) proves that MC is connected to darkness..... if valravn was at the battle of the diamonds he would have been able to say "omg lord daddy ur back" instead of just bowing down like Goliath

I found the scene where Cole talks to Tanos, and he says he'd kill himself and everyone one of Tanos' subjects before he let him "or [his] monster of a father" experiment on him again. So it sounds like both got some work in on Cole. Maybe something they collaborated on before they had their falling out?

And yeah, Valravn would have some interesting things to say about the MC's interaction with his Lord. If the fact that he's talked to his Lord personally ever comes up, you just know that Valravn is going to get weird about it.

 

[Simpgor]

I found the scene where Cole talks to Tanos, and he says he'd kill himself and everyone one of Tanos' subjects before he let him "or [his] monster of a father" experiment on him again. So it sounds like both got some work in on Cole. Maybe something they collaborated on before they had their falling out?

And yeah, Valravn would have some interesting things to say about the MC's interaction with his Lord. If the fact that he's talked to his Lord personally ever comes up, you just know that Valravn is going to get weird about it.

MC might be able to fully remember this time as well as opposed to vague trance memories that everyone gets.
Do we know when that falling out was? Unless Cole was getting experimented on as an infant the fallout would have had to been less than 10 or so years making Cole a child (but cognizant) during the experiments.The only way I can see both of them having done it is if Tanos was "working" at the lab and xanthe was "helping" at the lab despite having a (comparable or better) lab at hero (or maybe xanthe only got involved after MC joined but before cole)

Edit: Or tanos was working at some third as of now unknown place between the time of Ella picture and just a bit after her death when he joins SIN

 

[Gtdead]

- I find highly unlikely that Tanos did anything to MC. Xanthe and Tanos are not the only scientist factions. It's also the monsterfication researchers and the institute.
- The Lord of Dark doesn't care about MC. He goes out of his way to murder him during deadend3.
- Syla probably never intended for her son to become a pawn in the Apostle game. Her encounter with Stephen was supposedly due to luck.
- Syla was killed by Indra and MC was in close proximity. So if Indra was after MC, I don't see how anyone would stop him at this point.

So the way I see it, Syla wiping MC's memories has to do with her wanting to give him a normal life.
- Syla and her son are the last descendants of an extinct race. Surviving should be kinda.. important.
- Her conflict with the other chosen should be old and she kept herself out of it for "those she loved".
- She is afraid of her "mother" and thinks that if her son fails to be perfect, Memory will kill him.
- She thinks that MC being of low purity makes him an abomination in the eyes of some Apostles.

MC joining the supernatural is playing a losing game. There are away too many factors that work against him, at least from her point of view.

Perhaps she waited till MC was older to train him. Dropping all these on a child are hard, and Syla doesn't seem the greatest at making plans.
Explaining what she is, her heritage, MC's heritage, his place as a possible chosen, all while protecting herself and her family from Indra and the rest is hard.

I also think that she (and all the others), failed to account for the Arbiter. This will probably become more prominent down the line.

 

[Dinoflaggelate]

MC might be able to fully remember this time as well as opposed to vague trance memories that everyone gets.
Do we know when that falling out was? Unless Cole was getting experimented on as an infant the fallout would have had to been less than 10 or so years making Cole a child (but cognizant) during the experiments.The only way I can see both of them having done it is if Tanos was "working" at the lab and xanthe was "helping" at the lab despite having a (comparable or better) lab at hero (or maybe xanthe only got involved after MC joined but before cole)

Edit: Or tanos was working at some third as of now unknown place between the time of Ella picture and just a bit after her death when he joins SIN

Could be that the "falling out" is more academic than emotional, and the two of them are still willing to collaborate if a project is interesting enough.

- I find highly unlikely that Tanos did anything to MC. Xanthe and Tanos are not the only scientist factions. It's also the monsterfication researchers and the institute.
- The Lord of Dark doesn't care about MC. He goes out of his way to murder him during deadend3.
- Syla probably never intended for her son to become a pawn in the Apostle game. Her encounter with Stephen was supposedly due to luck.
- Syla was killed by Indra and MC was in close proximity. So if Indra was after MC, I don't see how anyone would stop him at this point.

So the way I see it, Syla wiping MC's memories has to do with her wanting to give him a normal life.
- Syla and her son are the last descendants of an extinct race. Surviving should be kinda.. important.
- Her conflict with the other chosen should be old and she kept herself out of it for "those she loved".
- She is afraid of her "mother" and thinks that if her son fails to be perfect, Memory will kill him.
- She thinks that MC being of low purity makes him an abomination in the eyes of some Apostles.

MC joining the supernatural is playing a losing game. There are away too many factors that work against him, at least from her point of view.

Perhaps she waited till MC was older to train him. Dropping all these on a child are hard, and Syla doesn't seem the greatest at making plans.
Explaining what she is, her heritage, MC's heritage, his place as a possible chosen, all while protecting herself and her family from Indra and the rest is hard.

I also think that she (and all the others), failed to account for the Arbiter. This will probably become more prominent down the line.

Well, the theory is that the monsterfication researchers might have employed Tanos. Which has spurious support, I admit, it's basically just "Ella was at a hospital with Tanos, Ella probably met the MC at the hospital, maybe Tanos worked at the hospital the MC was at". It's supposition, but the MC having encountered Tanos as a child would explain why Ella thinks the MC is the only other survivor of some group.

I'm not sure the Lord of Dark actually kills the MC in Dead End #3, or if it was just a really dumb accident. It restrains him so that he won't run away, but it doesn't make any moves to harm him like it did the 4th's avatar. Instead, it just shows him its weird magic orb, and then the MC trying to grab the orb somehow results in his death. I don't know what's going on in that scene, if it wanted him dead or was trying to do something else and things got out of hand.

And I do agree, Syla definitely wanted to keep the MC from having to get involved with supernatural stuff when he was young. I think that's the most plausible explanation for at least a majority of his blocked memories. Something happened to repeatedly expose him to monsters or superhumans or even the Apostles themselves. The real question is what supernatural thing was it. Her institute, or Valravn, or Aos, or the Lord of Dark, or the 4th Apostle, or...there are a lot of possibilities.

 

[Simpgor]

- The Lord of Dark doesn't care about MC. He goes out of his way to murder him during deadend3.

Why does he pull MC back into the dream then/why does he speak to MC in clear English instead of monsterspeak? The other Apostles he's connected to don't do anything similar even if one of them is also your biological grandma. None of the other Apostles either "know MC was there" or don't react to him at all (when we the reader see their pictures)

IMO it doesn't make sense for lord of Dark to kill MC (at 7 power) but then ineract with him but do absolutely 0 damage way later especially when training is 100% required the dead end obviously isn't.

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Agree on the reasonings/explanations for syla stuff though.

Guide says dead end 3 needs: power above 6 and [train] !=0

 

[Dinoflaggelate]

Also doesn't that dead in particular require some "steps" to get to? Like you need to have not trained but taken every power you can get? (Guide mentions something about !training = 0).

If that's the case then imo the lord of Dark didn't want to kill you he wanted to give you power and MC couldn't handle it at that point (similar to the eye in more recent dead end).

The last two paragraphs are dependent on me reading the walkthrough right but the first two still stand either way. Agree on the reasonings/explanations for syla stuff though.

Guide says dead end 3 needs: power above 6 and [train] !=0

Not sure what !=0 translates too though

That means "not equals zero". It means you have trained, not that you haven't. The reason that specific power level gets you Dead End #3 is because it lets you fight Ella and have a good enough showing against her that she realizes you have potential, so she calls the 4th Apostle to manifest its avatar to do something to you. But the Lord of Dark also manifests his avatar, to kill the 4th's and then, presumably, Ella. You run, but it then hunts you down and does...I don't know. I'm really not sure what happens in that ending to kill you, and I suspect I won't have the context to understand it until much later in the game. It binds your legs so you can't run away, then shows you a weird glowing orb that it has concealed inside it. You reach out to it, and then game over. No explanation given. There's a graphic that kind of looks like an explosion of energy. Did you destabilize the orb by touching it and that killed you? Was that intentional on its part? I have no idea.

 

[Simpgor]

That means "not equals zero". It means you have trained, not that you haven't. The reason that specific power level gets you Dead End #3 is because it lets you fight Ella and have a good enough showing against her that she realizes you have potential, so she calls the 4th Apostle to manifest its avatar to do something to you. But the Lord of Dark also manifests his avatar, to kill the 4th's and then, presumably, Ella. You run, but it then hunts you down and does...I don't know. I'm really not sure what happens in that ending to kill you, and I suspect I won't have the context to understand it until much later in the game. It binds your legs so you can't run away, then shows you a weird glowing orb that it has concealed inside it. You reach out to it, and then game over. No explanation given. There's a graphic that kind of looks like an explosion of energy. Did you destabilize the orb by touching it and that killed you? Was that intentional on its part? I have no idea.

I corrected my post above but that still leaves the issue of why was >6 power MC worth his time (to kill) when 300+ power mc is only worth very vague statement and not killing despite him being able to "pull" him back in against MC will.

IMO Ella killing MC for being better at memory until her 5th level makes way more more sense than the lord of Dark killing you randomly at >6 but then talking to MC despite the fact that MC is multitudes stronger but still (presumably) way weaker than any apostle

Edit: unless (like ella) the lord of Dark learned something about themselves/MC and then went from "I'll kill him when he is still a very fresh level 1 noob" to "please MC head these words I'm putting in more work than any other apostle to do this"

 

[Ddlc]

I have been wondering, how exactly Syla erasing so much of Mc's memories would help him living a normal life ?, i mean he was a pretty normal dude, no superhuman no supernatural stuff, he could only live normally even if he knew all kinds of crazy shit. Even more on the dream where we see Indra's silhoutte the dialogue says someone made a lot of effort to keep all of Indra's presence hidden from Mc, but the question is, why ?
Was Syla afraid Mc could try to get infected, become a superhuman and then try to get revenge or something ? if she wanted him to have a normal life i guess it makes sense but she didn't seem upset when he showed up at lvl 3 at the other world.

This made me think of something, what if Syla actually wiped Mc from Indra's memories but also had to do the same to her son because his memories would somehow link him to Indra and reveal his presence, this would explain why the effect is so god damn strong to the point of lvl 3 Mc not being able to access the memories. Also is a really cool power, wipe someone's existence from another's memory.

 

[enzo ferrari]

the klaus-oscar flashbacks are fucking heartbreaking.
more devs should take notes avns dont need fucking 4k animations, just good stories and lot of options-paths

 

[Simpgor]

I have been wondering, how exactly Syla erasing so much of Mc's memories would help him living a normal life ?, i mean he was a pretty normal dude, no superhuman no supernatural stuff, he could only live normally even if he knew all kinds of crazy shit. Even more on the dream where we see Indra's silhoutte the dialogue says someone made a lot of effort to keep all of Indra's presence hidden from Mc, but the question is, why ?
Was Syla afraid Mc could try to get infected, become a superhuman and then try to get revenge or something ? if she wanted him to have a normal life i guess it makes sense but she didn't seem upset when he showed up at lvl 3 at the other world.

This made me think of something, what if Syla actually wiped Mc from Indra's memories but also had to do the same to her son because his memories would somehow link him to Indra and reveal his presence, this would explain why the effect is so god damn strong to the point of lvl 3 Mc not being able to access the memories. Also is a really cool power, wipe someone's existence from another's memory.

I think it's more a "wanted him to live normal life as human for as long as possible" if he knew about superhuman/monsters/indra it's super unlikely he would have become friends with deryl/amber/Liz I mean why even go to middle school when you know about Apostles/Chosen and whatever the hell else, and if you do go to school are you really going to fight with deryl or ignore him because you know literally nothing matters keep in mind he would have been like 12 or 13? At this time so not really mentally capable of handling "heavy human stuff" much less monster stuff.

We saw what someone "similar" went through as far being young and knowing "too much" about monsters/whatever and that's Ella. She basically dedicated her life to "her plan" starting with Christie being the only one who survived lol.

 

[Ddlc]

I think it's more a "wanted him to live normal life as human for as long as possible" if he knew about superhuman/monsters/indra it's super unlikely he would have become friends with deryl/amber/Liz I mean why even go to middle school when you know about Apostles/Chosen and whatever the hell else, and if you do go to school are you really going to fight with deryl or ignore him because you know literally nothing matters keep in mind he would have been like 12 or 13? At this time so not really mentally capable of handling "heavy human stuff" much less monster stuff.

We saw what someone "similar" went through as far being young and knowing "too much" about monsters/whatever and that's Ella. She basically dedicated her life to "her plan" starting with Christie being the only one who survived lol.

I guess giving him a shot of a normal mind state for a kid is a very good reason, though ironically didn't work that well, by this i mean, during Mc's confession to Liz she describes him as kind of an empty person, however since he gained his powers Mc can be molded into someone with a sense of purpose, even a warrior as if it was always on his nature, we can make him stand up to Ella against three guys even before he turns superhuman but since then is clear he changed somewhat.

But erasing Indra's memories too answers some questions, why so much effort to keep Indra's memories from Mc, why use so much power on a human kid, how Indra never found or tried to harm Mc since then...

 

[JmTrad]

thats the thing i dont like about this kind of games. mc is constantly "advancing" but always comes someone and kick his ass. first klauss, now fucking alice? when the fuck is mc going to be powerful

Makes you notice how MC power is not good against energy types.

 

[TerminusPrime]

MC might be able to fully remember this time as well as opposed to vague trance memories that everyone gets.
Do we know when that falling out was? Unless Cole was getting experimented on as an infant the fallout would have had to been less than 10 or so years making Cole a child (but cognizant) during the experiments.The only way I can see both of them having done it is if Tanos was "working" at the lab and xanthe was "helping" at the lab despite having a (comparable or better) lab at hero (or maybe xanthe only got involved after MC joined but before cole)

Edit: Or tanos was working at some third as of now unknown place between the time of Ella picture and just a bit after her death when he joins SIN

Bramon was working with Klaus Aldain, seemingly without the rest of HERO's knowledge except Nico, so he could also at some point have worked with his son that he didn't want done at HERO's labs.

 

[Simpgor]

Bramon was working with Klaus Aldain, seemingly without the rest of HERO's knowledge except Nico, so he could also at some point have worked with his son that he didn't want done at HERO's labs.

That's fair i just think its weird that them having a falling out was mentioned at all. Even more so if they are still willing to work together.

 

[mini810]

Just finished 0.982 from the start. I gotta say, this arc fills me up with that Ironman "I don't care, he killed my mom" energy. Please let me make that little shit Cole suffer I don't even care if that option will add 100 corruption to my pure mind, I need to gut him.

 

[TheShelly]

Just finished 0.982 from the start. I gotta say, this arc fills me up with that Ironman "I don't care, he killed my mom" energy. Please let me make that little shit Cole suffer I don't even care if that option will add 100 corruption to my pure mind, I need to gut him.

Literally Everyone when the update drops: