VN Ren'Py Superhuman [v0.99999b] [WeirdWorld]

[MattiaBinotto]

From Oscar profile looks like the peak of human skill would be above 70, maybe between 70-100? I believe Michael would be even higher than human Oscar.

Current Michael is superior for sure, but Human Michael was probably around the same skill level. Oscar did kill the monster that attacked him and it probably took him by surprise.

 

[Dayswithoutincident69]

From my understanding, Deus predicted when she would come, so HERO went and tried prepare an ambush, while Nez predicted that Eisheth would try to find and take them at all. Thats all info that was provided without who is the best pick to go and how everything would go on a mission. Though, I think Deus knew that the mission would fail, but didn't tell anyone for his own reasons.

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I just doubt that he had no idea at all about it, because it is connected to MC, even if it is not related to him specifically. But maybe I am giving him too much credit after his DeadEnd and TV shenanigans.

yeah, deus has and does his own thing. I think Deus' future sight is written a lot like Dr Manhattan's. future sight doesn't give you freedom, you're just a puppet that can see the strings.

 

[Grimnir098]

But they have a person who can see the future, right? He couldn't predict the future of this operation after predicting when Eisheth would come? Maybe he can't predict changed futures idk

The person who can see the future is Deus, and it's heavily implied that he's intentionally not telling HERO certain things (like the fact that Del would leak MC's identity to the press) for his own reasons. It's safe to assume he wanted Liz, Amber, MC, and Deryl to be captured.

 

[elflistener]

Yeah, Deus almost certainly has his own agenda that may or may not be in HERO's best interests.

 

[OnlineRando]

Current Michael is superior for sure, but Human Michael was probably around the same skill level. Oscar did kill the monster that attacked him and it probably took him by surprise.

You have to consider that the monster Michael killed was a lot stronger. Oscar killed the traffic light monster, which is not exactly the strongest of monsters, while Michael killed the lightning monster, which is a lot more impressive, and Michael survived, unlike Oscar (though tbf he had a lot of prep time, so there's that).

The point is that not only does the monster Oscar killed not have the greatest ability nor power reserves, but he was also able to kill it without any prepping, which even further moves down the monster's strength. It was killed by an unprepared, albeit extraordinary regular human, who probably had no proper weapons, and Oscar died in the end.

 

[KKStrider]

You have to consider that the monster Michael killed was a lot stronger. Oscar killed the traffic light monster, which is not exactly the strongest of monsters, while Michael killed the lightning monster, which is a lot more impressive, and Michael survived, unlike Oscar (though tbf he had a lot of prep time, so there's that).

The point is that not only does the monster Oscar killed not have the greatest ability nor power reserves, but he was also able to kill it without any prepping, which even further moves down the monster's strength. It was killed by an unprepared, albeit extraordinary regular human, who probably had no proper weapons, and Oscar died in the end.

Saying the Wepwawet doesn't have the greatest ability majorly undersells it. A Wepawet's version of Red Light may not be as versatile as monsterified Oscar's was, but it's even more dangerous since it doesn't have a cooldown or a way to bypass its effects. If a Wepwawet's Red Light shines on you, you're slowed so bad not even a Level 2's superstrength is enough to help you fight back.

If we're talking a comparison of skill between human Michael and human Oscar, the fact that Oscar actually was capable of doing anything despite not being basically a super soldier with access to eldritch alien steroids like the former says everything.

 

[OnlineRando]

Saying the Wepwawet doesn't have the greatest ability majorly undersells it. A Wepawet's version of Red Light may not be as versatile as monsterified Oscar's was, but it's even more dangerous since it doesn't have a cooldown or a way to bypass its effects. If a Wepwawet's Red Light shines on you, you're slowed so bad not even a Level 2's superstrength is enough to help you fight back.

If we're talking a comparison of skill between human Michael and human Oscar, the fact that Oscar actually was capable of doing anything despite not being basically a super soldier with access to eldritch alien steroids like the former says everything.

That is so ridiculous though that it can't be a feat for Oscar. There is simply no way he could beat something that could beat a level 2 as a regular human without preparation, so the Wepwapet simply can't be that strong normally. And I'm not sure being on steroids helped Michael that much in his fight against the lightning monster, since he didn't get physical with it.

Anyone got the stat sheets for the Wepwapet and the lightning monster? Comparing their stats would make this much easier to conclude. If I remember correctly the lightning monster is like C class and Wepwapet is E or D class.

 

[Nexum768]

Is Lisa gonna have a romance route or something shes one of my fav characters (I Also heard someone suggest the idea of her being a yandere which sounds so good)

 

[KKStrider]

That is so ridiculous though that it can't be a feat for Oscar. There is simply no way he could beat something that could beat a level 2 as a regular human without preparation, so the Wepwapet simply can't be that strong normally. And I'm not sure being on steroids helped Michael that much in his fight against the lightning monster, since he didn't get physical with it.

Anyone got the stat sheets for the Wepwapet and the lightning monster? Comparing their stats would make this much easier to conclude. If I remember correctly the lightning monster is like C class and Wepwapet is E or D class.

The Wepwawet never got a monster report, but you are right in that it'd probably be a D rank monster, maybe D+ since it's explicitly stated to not be that powerful by a Level 2 MC, just in possession of an extremely dangerous power with a massive range that can kick in before you even see it. Dangerous enough that if you try and kill one with a mantis punch, the Level 2 MC can get slapped across a cavern, accelerated faster than a bullet into a wall and be near helpless whilst having his mangled body eaten alive faster than it can regenerate under the light's effects. It legitimately almost did him like Valravn did in Dead End 24, turned into a renewable food source.

There are some key differences between monsterified Oscar's Red Light and a Wepwawet's Red Light. Oscar's brought its target to a complete stop, but had a cooldown and could be broken out of with raw strength. On the other hand, a Wepwawet's version has no cooldown, but slows things to a crawl instead of actually stopping them and actually takes some time to kick in, though it offsets this with a large range and getting more effective the longer a target's in the light. That difference is actually what makes it killable, because at close range it actually can't stop attacks going at supersonic speeds. Oscar's an ex-soldier, and gun laws in Sector 1 are so lax the only thing off-limits to civilians is explosives. It certainly wouldn't have been easy for Oscar, considering that it's still a car-sized monster with light-based powers and inhuman strength, but at his reported skill level, smart use of the environment and Wepwawets being glass cannons make it actually be possible. Oscar took it out ironically the same way he ended up getting taken out, going for the eyes.

Also, the formula A-8163 absolutely helped Michael during that fight against the Leigong, he almost got disembowelled mid-fight. In fact, he got himself killed fighting a monster just like Oscar, because he injected himself with so much magical trenbolone his ass was about to die 15 minutes after the fight because his body couldn't handle literally mutating beyond all human boundaries. For all intents and purposes, he had to pop so much drugs he was operating at the level of a low level superhuman to win.

 

[shujuku]

That is so ridiculous though that it can't be a feat for Oscar. There is simply no way he could beat something that could beat a level 2 as a regular human without preparation, so the Wepwapet simply can't be that strong normally. And I'm not sure being on steroids helped Michael that much in his fight against the lightning monster, since he didn't get physical with it.

Anyone got the stat sheets for the Wepwapet and the lightning monster? Comparing their stats would make this much easier to conclude. If I remember correctly the lightning monster is like C class and Wepwapet is E or D class.

I dont get the issue here? This fight was basically a Dark Souls moment. Michael had prepared and tailored equipment specifically for this fight and planned thoroughly on how to beat Oscar. Oscar on the other hand was the sluggish boss who hits hard and has certain moves to throw the player off guard.

TLDR: Chosen Undead VS Asylum Demon

 

[Dayswithoutincident69]

I dont get the issue here? This fight was basically a Dark Souls moment. Michael had prepared and tailored equipment specifically for this fight and planned thoroughly on how to beat Oscar. Oscar on the other hand was the sluggish boss who hits hard and has certain moves to throw the player off guard.

TLDR: Chosen Undead VS Asylum Demon

plus oscar already gave his estus flask to another guy so he can't really heal no more

 

[OnlineRando]

I dont get the issue here? This fight was basically a Dark Souls moment. Michael had prepared and tailored equipment specifically for this fight and planned thoroughly on how to beat Oscar. Oscar on the other hand was the sluggish boss who hits hard and has certain moves to throw the player off guard.

TLDR: Chosen Undead VS Asylum Demon

I don't get your point... the discussion is whether or not Oscar is close to Michael in skill, at least when they were both human.

 

[OnlineRando]

The Wepwawet never got a monster report, but you are right in that it'd probably be a D rank monster, maybe D+ since it's explicitly stated to not be that powerful by a Level 2 MC, just in possession of an extremely dangerous power with a massive range that can kick in before you even see it. Dangerous enough that if you try and kill one with a mantis punch, the Level 2 MC can get slapped across a cavern, accelerated faster than a bullet into a wall and be near helpless whilst having his mangled body eaten alive faster than it can regenerate under the light's effects. It legitimately almost did him like Valravn did in Dead End 24, turned into a renewable food source.

There are some key differences between monsterified Oscar's Red Light and a Wepwawet's Red Light. Oscar's brought its target to a complete stop, but had a cooldown and could be broken out of with raw strength. On the other hand, a Wepwawet's version has no cooldown, but slows things to a crawl instead of actually stopping them and actually takes some time to kick in, though it offsets this with a large range and getting more effective the longer a target's in the light. That difference is actually what makes it killable, because at close range it actually can't stop attacks going at supersonic speeds. Oscar's an ex-soldier, and gun laws in Sector 1 are so lax the only thing off-limits to civilians is explosives. It certainly wouldn't have been easy for Oscar, considering that it's still a car-sized monster with light-based powers and inhuman strength, but at his reported skill level, smart use of the environment and Wepwawets being glass cannons make it actually be possible. Oscar took it out ironically the same way he ended up getting taken out, going for the eyes.

Also, the formula A-8163 absolutely helped Michael during that fight against the Leigong, he almost got disembowelled mid-fight. In fact, he got himself killed fighting a monster just like Oscar, because he injected himself with so much magical trenbolone his ass was about to die 15 minutes after the fight because his body couldn't handle literally mutating beyond all human boundaries. For all intents and purposes, he had to pop so much drugs he was operating at the level of a low level superhuman to win.

All good points. I wonder if the Wepwawet that MC fought and the one that granted Oscar his powers are different, maybe one is a special variant, like Ella's Hexenringe. The power Oscar gained is different enough from the Wepwawet MC fought to merit that discussion, though powers do vary based on the individual, so it might be a variation on Oscar's part rather than the originating monster's.

 

[KKStrider]

All good points. I wonder if the Wepwawet that MC fought and the one that granted Oscar his powers are different, maybe one is a special variant, like Ella's Hexenringe. The power Oscar gained is different enough from the Wepwawet MC fought to merit that discussion, though powers do vary based on the individual, so it might be a variation on Oscar's part rather than the originating monster's.

It's almost certainly due to Oscar. You only get the exact same power as your monster parent with little to no variation if you fail to ascend to a superhuman and become an Infected, as that results in monster genetic material completely supplanting the human genetic material in a person. Also I messed up the name of the power that Oscar and Wepwawets use, it's Motion Light.

 

[OnlineRando]

It's almost certainly due to Oscar. You only get the exact same power as your monster parent with little to no variation if you fail to ascend to a superhuman and become an Infected, as that results in monster genetic material completely supplanting the human genetic material in a person. Also I messed up the name of the power that Oscar and Wepwawets use, it's Motion Light.

Is that true? The only other in-game example of a human-turned-monster I can think of (whose original monster we know well enough, at least) is Kenny, and his powers didn't seem to differ from that of a Minyak. The only thing I'm unsure about is whether or not a Minyak can raise the dead as oil slaves, but I'm not sure they'd find a lot of use for that regardless.

 

[shujuku]

I don't get your point... the discussion is whether or not Oscar is close to Michael in skill, at least when they were both human.

I see, but still why bother about his normal days when he became mentally disfunctional and was only some hard hitting brute?

 

[OnlineRando]

I see, but still why bother about his normal days when he became mentally disfunctional and was only some hard hitting brute?

...Because that's not what the discussion was about. I think it started with someone asking about how high Michael's skill would be, which lead to Oscar's skill as a human, etc etc.

 

[KKStrider]

Is that true? The only other in-game example of a human-turned-monster I can think of (whose original monster we know well enough, at least) is Kenny, and his powers didn't seem to differ from that of a Minyak. The only thing I'm unsure about is whether or not a Minyak can raise the dead as oil slaves, but I'm not sure they'd find a lot of use for that regardless.

Kenny actually was a superhuman. He became a Variant monster after failing his Level 2 evolution due to hitting it before he was ready. He's a bit of a weird case. Firstly because failing an evolution usually just straight up turns you into whatever monster infected you, like Claire Lantos being infected by a Banshee and then becoming one once she messed up her Level 3 evolution. Kenny, however, had a monster parent that was of a female exclusive species. Secondly, because it's left deliberately vague what the true extent of his power was, as he's noted in his character profile to have been absolute ass at actually using it, and thus never actually developed anything unique.

Despite that, he did have some divergence from his monster parent, as his oil was exclusively produced from his hands at Level 1 and as a Variant monster his oil could potentially resurrect and control hundreds of people at once.

 

[JmTrad]

...Because that's not what the discussion was about. I think it started with someone asking about how high Michael's skill would be, which lead to Oscar's skill as a human, etc etc.

Yeah, Oscar skill when human was 74, when he revived it became 4. My believe was that Michael is even more skilled than that. But you guys also raised a good point, all Michael fights with monsters he had prep time, Oscar fight he had no idea of anything, is a miracle he even managed to kill it.

 

[LusterDemon]

I swear to god, this Hexenringe is a walking plot device preventing this story from ending in 2 minutes View attachment 4223294

oh for FUCKS SAKE